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RandomFerret posted:What part of 'serious scrabble nerd' does not apply to playing something called speed scrabble? It's also called bananagrams, since some company started selling sets of tiles with the specific rules under that name.
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Tolan posted:On a different note, does anyone really miss the gag-a-day strips? To be blunt, whether it's gag-a-day or a big story arc doesn't in and of itself matter to me. I don't really care. All I really care about is getting those nuggets of humor that people here have described as a "celebration of the English language." So in that sense, I'll always miss the early days, because clearly the volume of output peaked long ago and will not likely ever return to those heady heights.
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Yeah, I don't care in what form Achewood appears, its a blessing that it appears at all, let alone that its completely free, archives and all. Cookbook fiasco aside, something of Achewoods quality to be free is a gift, and one that I don't plan to ever complain about or wish it be different. Theres an element of truth in that culture of 'entitlement' amongst fans that Gaiman talked about in that article Onstad linked to.
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Dorsal Penis posted:Yeah, I don't care in what form Achewood appears, its a blessing that it appears at all, let alone that its completely free, archives and all. Cookbook fiasco aside, something of Achewoods quality to be free is a gift, and one that I don't plan to ever complain about or wish it be different. Theres an element of truth in that culture of 'entitlement' amongst fans that Gaiman talked about in that article Onstad linked to. I never really liked that article. GRR Martin might not have had a contract with his fans, but he probably did with his publisher. Also it's advisable to be careful when writing stuff that calls your fans entitled whiners, because ultimately you are producing a luxury item, and while you have no duty to them to write the next book, they have just as little duty to you to buy the next one. Webcomics is a slightly different arena, though, as in some respects the free comic isn't actually so much the product as it is an advert for your merch or whatever stream of revenue you have that comes from it if you are actually running it professionally. ChuckDHead fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Jan 10, 2012 |
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Dorsal Penis posted:Yeah, I don't care in what form Achewood appears, its a blessing that it appears at all, let alone that its completely free, archives and all. Cookbook fiasco aside, something of Achewoods quality to be free is a gift, and one that I don't plan to ever complain about or wish it be different. Theres an element of truth in that culture of 'entitlement' amongst fans that Gaiman talked about in that article Onstad linked to. I totally agree with this. He has built his fanbase by producing years of amazing work, and that is no small challenge. Furthermore, he gave it away for free at his own expense - something that has somewhat paid out in donations and merchandise. Demanding a regular schedule for a free webcomic is ridiculous. However, it would be nice if he announced a sabbatical instead of disappearing for months only to show up from time to time to say "Regular webcomicing again!". You're going to get some grumbling for failing to deliver on your own statements. Furthermore, I was also one of the ones who pre-ordered the second cookbook - I don't know if the pre-order money is tied up with his distributor or what, but there was some serious oversight in taking pre-orders for a product that was not in the late stages of production and on its way to shipping. Someone is responsible for a refund, and I hate that this conversation is mixed up with the "write moar comix nao!!" whining. While he is not responsible for explaining his actions via his free, creative enterprise, on this issue we really need a statement, even if it is bad. Acting like it never happened is hurting his credibility more than any business issues here.
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The really bad business practices, combined with his worsening attitude, I think, are hurting his image. He can quote Gaiman all he wants- and Gaiman is correct in saying that no one owes anything anything else, so long as all extant contractual agreements are fulfilled- but it really comes down to two things: 1. Gaiman never stole from his fans/customers. 2. Gaiman doesn't act like a petulant child. And as far as I understand it, from what I read in the Comics Alliance interview, he earns a living wage by his site. Now it might be a lovely living wage- especially when he takes off work for more than a year and only pops in occasionally to call any remaining stockholders assholes for not cashing out or ask for donations- but it's a wage. So that defense that he is paying out of his own pocket is nonsense, and if he paid out of his own pocket to keep the site up while he wasn't doing anything new, then that's his problem, to be blunt. I don't blame him for wanting to break into Gaiman's racket (IE being a multimillionaire artist who gets paid by an intermediary per thing he creates and can take long breaks if he wants to) because that is what every creative person wants. Hell, that's what every person wants. But there are few jobs, in writing or otherwise, that are like that. Right now he's running what is essentially an entrepreneurial business. You can't generate revenue on things like subscriptions while calling the potential customers sociopaths whenever they complain and you really can't build trust by not providing promised goods or services after payment is rendered. Maybe it would be better for him to get into traditional print media exclusively, so that way a publishing house would be responsible for monetizing his output for him.
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Would it really be so odious to Onstad to just keep doing Dark Horse collections? Are the collections not selling? Is there some obvious conflict I'm missing? The issue he seems to have with cartooning is the 'sitting down and figuring out some new thing' part; he doesn't want to repeat himself, which is not only understandable, but laudable. But that wouldn't really come up with just continuing to do the collections, and they wouldn't all have to be on the same level of Great Outdoor Fight or A Home For Scared People in terms of producing new content. If he doesn't want to run a shop, not only would Dark Horse manage distribution, customer support, and all the other hassle-oriented parts, but he wouldn't be competing against them with the paper-spine collections he used to sell. And though it's had its text changed, if he's at the point where there's a tip jar to keep the servers hosting Achewood, it would probably be better to have some sort of mass media back-up. Additionally, (although this is mainly wishful thinking) maybe simply going back to his older strips, jotting down thoughts and memories as he reads through them, would be enough to give Onstad some sort of peace, and he'll write some stuff which turns into money. As amusing as it may be to imagine Onstad running a restaurant, it's difficult to picture him in a non-literary career.
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"From now on I am only interested in producing material for books... unless they're cookbooks."
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:All I really care about is getting those nuggets of humor that people here have described as a "celebration of the English language." That label was self-applied in alt text, facetiously, to excuse something vulgar, and has since been adopted by fans.
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Van Dis posted:That label was self-applied in alt text, facetiously, to excuse something vulgar, and has since been adopted by fans. In all seriousness, Onstad's fraud/chicanery aside, Achewood has taught me that you can do mindbogglingly good things with the english language.
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Darthemed posted:Would it really be so odious to Onstad to just keep doing Dark Horse collections? Are the collections not selling? Is there some obvious conflict I'm missing? The issue he seems to have with cartooning is the 'sitting down and figuring out some new thing' part; he doesn't want to repeat himself, which is not only understandable, but laudable. You have no idea how much I would be willing to just pay money for all of the Achewood archive in book form, especially if the production quality is as high as The Great Outdoor Fight (even if it's not).
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ChuckDHead posted:You have no idea how much I would be willing to just pay money for all of the Achewood archive in book form, especially if the production quality is as high as The Great Outdoor Fight (even if it's not). Or even just to have it in Kindle/iPad format, maybe with the old blogs and premium content interlaced? He could do that without going through a print publisher, and probably make a lot of scratch just putting it up on Amazon with minimal advertising on his site.
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Van Dis posted:That label was self-applied in alt text, facetiously, to excuse something vulgar, and has since been adopted by fans. Are you trying to tell me that "I'm sorry I straight up roasted your ding dong" isn't a brilliant combination of words?
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Electric Pope posted:Are you trying to tell me that "I'm sorry I straight up roasted your ding dong" isn't a brilliant combination of words? In a thousand years you'll never see me put squeeze bacon on anything, read ADTRW, or deny that. It was still facetiously self-applied, though.
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ChuckDHead posted:You have no idea how much I would be willing to just pay money for all of the Achewood archive in book form, especially if the production quality is as high as The Great Outdoor Fight (even if it's not). 200 dollars? I think that's how much the C&H and Farside bibles cost when they first came out.
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Electric Pope posted:Are you trying to tell me that "I'm sorry I straight up roasted your ding dong" isn't a brilliant combination of words? The combinations of words in achewood is straight bodankey.
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I just realized that the reason Teodor picks How To Weep The Weepy Weep Way is because, you know, gay. Always something new.
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Deathlove posted:I just realized that the reason Teodor picks How To Weep The Weepy Weep Way is because, you know, gay. Always something new. 
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Zereth posted:I thought the idea was they were designed to be completely uninteresting, except gay people have been informed that there is secretly gay porn inside it. Yes, that's the idea, and Teodor has not been notified of the gay porn, however the intentionally dis-interesting name is actually intensely interesting to certain people. I'm not really sure how anyone could read the comic any other way. I feel like I'm in a "explain a PBF to me" thread.
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Sigma-X posted:Yes, that's the idea, and Teodor has not been notified of the gay porn, however the intentionally dis-interesting name is actually intensely interesting to certain people. I picked it up as Teodor just seeing a movie and having that literal reaction - I HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS. I know I've done that several times, and only twice did it end up with me watching gay porn.
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Also Teodor is absolutely the type of person who believes he's intellectual enough to appreciate something that seems so aggressively dull.
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Deathlove posted:I just realized that the reason Teodor picks How To Weep The Weepy Weep Way is because, you know, gay. Always something new. Goddamn the next comic is spectacular. Oh yeah, a 5 year old lives here.
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glug posted:Goddamn the next comic is spectacular. Is this...the Olympics?
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Dorsal Penis posted:Is this...the Olympics? Applesauce!
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Dodgeball posted:Applesauce! It's just every fat dudes worst nightmare come to life!
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glug posted:Goddamn the next comic is spectacular. Oh yeah, a 5 year old lives here. And that's why Teodor got... yelllled... aaaat!! We've just brought several pages of a thread round full circle. Nicely done, everybody.
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Deathlove posted:I picked it up as Teodor just seeing a movie and having that literal reaction - I HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS. I know I've done that several times, and only twice did it end up with me watching gay porn. Did you have to hit anyone with a rock?
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I've been reading Pat's blog, because it's the best blog, and I'm noticing a trend. Pat has a Thing about recumbent bicycles and gravity-sensible skitter-carts. Anytime he mentiosn transportation, those come up. Just the little touches, that let us know how consistent he is with being a smug dick. Also, if you don't think the phrase "Gravity-sensible skitter-carts" is funny you suuuuuuck. edit: Pat on the Dude and Catastrophe: quote:It comes down to this: there is not a single item at this public house which I can consume or enjoy, either physically, artistically, or intellectually. I am quite simply not welcome, as nothing is offered for me. It's as though the whole place was designed to keep me, and specifically me, out. Weird~ BENGHAZI 2 fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Jan 12, 2012 |
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I've been reading Pat's blog and cracked up when he wrote about trying to put the mailman under citizen's arrest for delivering junk mail, then trying to put a police officer under citizen's arrest the next day after he started laughing at Pat as Pat tried to make a police report.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I've been reading Pat's blog and cracked up when he wrote about trying to put the mailman under citizen's arrest for delivering junk mail, then trying to put a police officer under citizen's arrest the next day after he started laughing at Pat as Pat tried to make a police report. God I love Pat, I was just reading about his adoption of "Sensibilly" and lost it at this line: "We have a low retention rate, which I'm actually really proud of"
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I really feel the loss of Assetbar. Sometimes, I have the fear. It's when something magnificent has happened and I need to know that it didn't just happen to me alone. What has Ray done? What did Teodor say? I can see it, it is clear to me, but I need validation. I read the comments and see that somewhere in time and space another man has just experienced the same sublimation. We are linked, two poor creatures who have gazed together into the roaring cacophony and searing light. No longer.
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Dickeye posted:I've been reading Pat's blog, because it's the best blog, and I'm noticing a trend. His eternal struggle with Whole Foods/Trader Joe's/Mollie Stone's is/was amazing. his blog really is the best thing and I wish it was still updated.
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Deathlove posted:I just realized that the reason Teodor picks How To Weep The Weepy Weep Way is because, you know, gay. Always something new. ...except Teodor's not the gay one? You're thinking of Pat.
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WickedIcon posted:...except Teodor's not the gay one? It has been strongly hinted at that T is closeted. This is what we have been discussing.
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It's been strongly hinted that Teodor is bisexual, which seems more likely than gay, based on all the comics.
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You guys care to give some examples? And don't say the one where he offers to blow Ray because that was not a hint of possible sexual identity issues, that was just being completely annoyed with Ray.
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choobs posted:You guys care to give some examples? And don't say the one where he offers to blow Ray because that was not a hint of possible sexual identity issues, that was just being completely annoyed with Ray. He decides to watch the gay porn he gets in his video rental & he ends up really getting into his romance with Hiram the Blacksmith in Oregon Trail. I think those are two big ones, besides the insinuation he gave into temptation and grappled with the old guy's hog in the last aborted storyline. I kind of felt like that was the one that went over the line, honestly. It's funnier when he's the platonic form of the modern boring straight guy who rubs one out to tranny porn, out of curiosity, then feels really weird about it for a week.
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WickedIcon posted:...except Teodor's not the gay one?
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choobs posted:You guys care to give some examples? And don't say the one where he offers to blow Ray because that was not a hint of possible sexual identity issues, that was just being completely annoyed with Ray. I'm sorry dude, if you offer to blow your friend because he's got the uppity-nuts you're at LEAST closet curious. I don't care how ironic you get in your personal comedy.
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choobs posted:You guys care to give some examples? And don't say the one where he offers to blow Ray because that was not a hint of possible sexual identity issues, that was just being completely annoyed with Ray. Circus Penis sends him to a gay porno shoot. Huggins tries to do maximum cuddles with him and he 'catches on slow.' He has a dream where people assume he's gay because he's a designer.
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