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What is the difference between Soletaken and D'ivers? Is it explained at some point? I'm about 120 pages into Deadhouse Gates.
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Conduit for Sale! posted:What is the difference between Soletaken and D'ivers? Is it explained at some point? I'm about 120 pages into Deadhouse Gates. It's both a form of shapeshifting, the difference is that a Soletaken can only veer into one other form, hence Sole, while the D'iver veers into a a group of creatures forming a collective, hence diverse.
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Jan 7, 2012 10:49
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Holy crap, Emperor Kellanved and Dancer are Shadowthrone and Cotillion.  And this is only the second book.
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Jan 7, 2012 11:00
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Lol, that's the reveal that made the pieces of Gardens of the Moon perfectly fall into place (the whole deal with Sorry and why they were enraged with Laseen). But do not worry! Before the end of the book Erikson will turn the table again.
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Jan 7, 2012 19:29
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I love Memories of Ice. Quick Ben is such a badass, and Talamandas is cute  . I am really interested into what will happen with Gruntle and Paran, too. I just finished reading the part where Itkovian goes to the Barghast women: are they shouldermen? Does this mean that indirectly Itkovian and the Grey Swords are indirectly giving themselves to worship of Hood because of what Quick Ben figured out only moments earlier? I also don't understand that interaction earlier with Broach and Bauchelain. What exactly happened?
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Jan 8, 2012 02:59
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Lyer posted:It's a common theme in all his books. Yeah, one of the major concepts he has going on throughout the series is that the real problems are political or personal and that being an unstoppable engine of destruction doesn't necessarily help you make correct decisions.
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Jan 9, 2012 04:57
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I'm a little over halfway through Midnight Tides and is it just me or is everything Erikson says about Lether a thinly veiled critique of American/western culture? Also, I can't wait to figure out Bugg's back story. Erikson needs to stop teasing me!
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Jan 9, 2012 05:15
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5ive posted:I'm a little over halfway through Midnight Tides and is it just me or is everything Erikson says about Lether a thinly veiled critique of American/western culture? Also, I can't wait to figure out Bugg's back story. Erikson needs to stop teasing me! IIRC no. It's more a critique of a pure Randian capitalism, and it's not even incredibly focused on that. Also, Bugg's back story is pretty awesome and answers some niggling things that don't make sense about Tehol.
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Jan 9, 2012 05:25
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5ive posted:I'm a little over halfway through Midnight Tides and is it just me or is everything Erikson says about Lether a thinly veiled critique of American/western culture? Also, I can't wait to figure out Bugg's back story. Erikson needs to stop teasing me! http://lifeasahuman.com/2011/feature/steven-eriksons-notes-on-a-crisis-part-x-if-it-hurts-like-hell/ quote:This brings me, at long last, to my portrayal of the Empire of Lether starting in the fifth novel in the Malazan sequence, Midnight Tides. The reason this subject is on my mind is that, once again, I have been asked in a Q&A whether that empire and its political and economic system was intended as a commentary on the United States. Each time I am asked this question, my response is no. So, let’s take this as definitive: there were two major themes in that novel, the first being about siblings and the journeys made by two sets of three brothers, and the second being about inequity.
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Jan 9, 2012 07:24
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Ugh, why did they have to stop Duiker from strangling Nethpara? I hope to Hood that hateful little man gets his comeuppance.
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Jan 10, 2012 20:30
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Keep it in spoilers man.
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Jan 10, 2012 22:06
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pakman posted:I love Memories of Ice. Quick Ben is such a badass, and Talamandas is cute And which interaction are you referring to with KB&B? More than one character "interacts" with them, but I don't really recall Itkovian and co bumping into them off the top of my head. coyo7e fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Jan 10, 2012 |
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Jan 10, 2012 22:29
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coyo7e posted:but I don't really recall Itkovian and co bumping into them off the top of my head. Doesn't he meet them after they've just "rebuilt" their wagon?
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Jan 10, 2012 22:32
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coyo7e posted:Keep reading, all will be made clear. I apologize I didn't make that clear. I meant the interaction between KB&B and Quick Ben just before Itkovian decides what he is going to do.
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Jan 11, 2012 02:14
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Just got done with The Bonehunters. I really like how this series heavily rewards careful reading. I'm finally at the point in the series where I can now call out some of the telegraphed plot twists in advance. For example, I figured out that Heboric Ghost Hands blubbering just like Itkovian in Memories of Ice meant he was Treach's Shield Anvil, not his Destriant and guessed correctly at the beginning of the book that Felisin Younger would be Sha'ik Reborn, not like those were hard predictions to make or anything but it felt good to have seen them coming anyway! Icarium and Karsa Orlong remained badass throughout. Icarium is basically all the characteristics of Bruce Banner/The Hulk taken to the extreme that has lived for centuries. People even talk about him like he's The Hulk. Anything with Karsa reads like something straight out of Skyrim, right from the beginning he's immediately wrecking poo poo up. Come to think of it I think this book series would make for an excellent Skyrim mod. On to Reaper's Gale, can't wait to see how some of the story setups from last book get resolved.
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Jan 11, 2012 04:13
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Jan 11, 2012 04:37
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So umm, I had absolutely no interest in reading anything by ICE, but reading that Dramatis Personae, I am kinda intrigued. Dramatis Personae Spoiler Seguleh, Caladan Brood and Leoman
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Jan 11, 2012 06:26
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Genabackis looks like a cartoon slug. It's even got a mouth (Lake Azur), one eye (Lead Sea) and a little arm (The Twins)
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Jan 11, 2012 14:12
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Nearing the end of Memories of Ice...major spoilers ahoy! Noooo....Whiskeyjack! Words cannot express how much I hate Kallor right now, and how much I want the Bridgeburners to go kick his ancient teeth in. I guess I realized which side of Oppon's coin the "Lord" is now. On the bright side, seeing the Bridgeburners in action under Paran is fantastic. Paran has really improved so much since the first book, now that he's finally coming into his role.
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Jan 11, 2012 19:43
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Going to just toss it in a normal envelope, if you want to paypal me a buck or 2 for shipping that'd be great. First one to PM me gets the book. Spermy Smurf fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Jan 12, 2012 |
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Jan 12, 2012 14:55
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Finished Memories of Ice. Goddamn amazing book. This series has surpassed Game of Thrones for me, although I'm really hoping something happens with the remaining Bridgeburners in later books. I kept reading and watching the Bridgeburners go down one by one thinking "Goddamn, is ANYONE going to survive this mess?!" By the name of the next book, I can judge it should be awesome. So many awesome characters all around and the parts where everyone paid their respects to Whiskeyjack, the fallen Bridgeburners, and Itkovian were particularly emotional. Now for Korlat to avenge Whiskeyjack!  Now to blaze through the 9th Wheel of Time book before I forget everything I've read on THAT series thus far. With the motivation of House of Chains, I don't think it'll take me long.
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Jan 12, 2012 22:09
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Yarrbossa posted:Finished Memories of Ice. Goddamn amazing book. This series has surpassed Game of Thrones for me, although I'm really hoping something happens with the remaining Bridgeburners in later books. I kept reading and watching the Bridgeburners go down one by one thinking "Goddamn, is ANYONE going to survive this mess?!" By the name of the next book, I can judge it should be awesome. So many awesome characters all around and the parts where everyone paid their respects to Whiskeyjack, the fallen Bridgeburners, and Itkovian were particularly emotional. Now for Korlat to avenge Whiskeyjack! Er, House of Chains isn't a direct sequel to Memories of Ice. House of Chains is a sequel of the Deadhouse Gates storyline (and introduces a new storyline). You're going to have to wait a while before you see (MoI)the remaining Bridgeburners. Hell, you don't even see much of Genabackis until Toll the Hounds.
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Jan 13, 2012 08:19
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Well, hopefully he can adapt well and appreciate HoC. The first 100 pages are like a condensed instruction manual of EVERYTHING that happened up to that point... I'm one of those rare readers who thinks the fourth book is the best of the first five (where I'm at reading). My "ladder" at the moment goes like this: 1- House of Chains 2- Memories of Ice 3- Deadhouse Gates 4- Midnight Tides 5- Gardens of the Moon
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Jan 13, 2012 09:17
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IncendiaC posted:Er, House of Chains isn't a direct sequel to Memories of Ice. House of Chains is a sequel of the Deadhouse Gates storyline (and introduces a new storyline). You're going to have to wait a while before you see (MoI)the remaining Bridgeburners. You know, I'm actually not surprised by this. I loved Deadhouse Gates and will enjoy a sequel to that storyline as well. In other thoughts, (MoI): I wonder who the human they mention is that is wrecking havoc on T'lan Imass down south. So many questions were answered in the last book, and now I have so many more. At least with Malazan I get some answers, whereas with Wheel of Time I'm going to have to wait until the last book to have poo poo answered.
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IncendiaC posted:House of Chains is a sequel of the Deadhouse Gates storyline
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Jan 14, 2012 07:13
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No. Only the prologue is.
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Jan 14, 2012 07:36
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Yarrbossa posted:You know, I'm actually not surprised by this. I loved Deadhouse Gates and will enjoy a sequel to that storyline as well. I just finished MoI. What a great book. I cried at the Itkovian funeral as well as many other parts near the end, i.e. Whiskeyjack et al. Also, what exactly is Paran (probably answered later), but half hound of shadow, half man. Other questions as well: How did Tool become flesh again? Where did Duiker come from in the Epilogue? Who was that man outside the Azath House coughing in the epilogue? What is the significance of KB&B coming up the road to Coral? Among other things: Gruntle is a badass, as is Toc. I really like Toc, and hope he comes into his own as Mortal Sword. Also interesting is that part where Paran blesses the dead Bridgeburners in Moon Spawn, and something starts to happen. As to your question about the human in the south, Yarrbosa, could it be the Mortal Sword for the High House of Chains? Remember that Hood mentioned to Quick Ben a mortal sword had risen in a far away land, and perhaps had risen armies. Or, perhaps something to do with Kallor. I can't wait until I start the next book, but I think I need a little break. Thinking about reading some more Sherlock Holmes stuff then continuing with the series.
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pakman posted:I just finished MoI. What a great book. I cried at the Itkovian funeral as well as many other parts near the end, i.e. Whiskeyjack et al. Also, what exactly is Paran (probably answered later), but half hound of shadow, half man. Other questions as well: How did Tool become flesh again? Where did Duiker come from in the Epilogue? Who was that man outside the Azath House coughing in the epilogue? What is the significance of KB&B coming up the road to Coral? You'll find out more about Paran later. Duiker's body was found by Baruk's servants at the end of DG, and since he used the vial that was meant for Coltaine, Baruk was able to resurrect him. I can't recall the answers to your other questions offhand.
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Juaguocio posted:You'll find out more about Paran later. Duiker's body was found by Baruk's servants at the end of DG, and since he used the vial that was meant for Coltaine, Baruk was able to resurrect him. I can't recall the answers to your other questions offhand. Ah, yes, I recall that part now. Coltaine's spirit is still around, because the ravens came. That was an emotional moment as well, the sacrifice that the Wikans had made.
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I'm almost half way through Memories of Ice, and I have to say that I was getting really annoyed at Gruntle's character up until he found out about Stonny getting raped by one of Seerdomin and goes into hardcore badass mode with his 2 blades. Not to mention the fact that he rallied a small army behind him by using the tunic of a child that was killed and partially eaten as a battle standard. Love it. This series is getting better and better. *I accidentally made this as a new post. I apologize. Can somebody zap it?*
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Jan 15, 2012 22:10
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There's a possibility we get three Malazan books in 2012. There's Orb, Sceptre, Throne, then Erikson Forge of Darkness, and apparently another book by Esslemont for the end of the year titled "Blood and Bone".
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Just finished Reaper's Gale. Trull!!! That was the worst death of the series for me so far; when Coltaine and Whiskeyjack died I was crushed, but Trull dying came out of nowhere and really hit me hard. He was one of the most likable characters of the series yet, and his way of dying was heartbreaking. Leaving his newly found love to reconcile with Rhulad, only to get stabbed in the back after finding his brother dead... Such a brutal, meaningless death for a great character. I really hope the Errant gets his just desserts, although I'd be surprised if this series delivered that sort of karma. On to the Return of the Crimson Guards next, got my copy of Toll the Hounds waiting to follow it up.
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I'm just curious, in Deadhouse Gates when Kalam speaks to Quick Ben through his magic stones or whatever, how far into Memories of Ice is that?
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Jan 17, 2012 23:43
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The Ninth Layer posted:Just finished Reaper's Gale. Trull!!! That was the worst death of the series for me so far; when Coltaine and Whiskeyjack died I was crushed, but Trull dying came out of nowhere and really hit me hard. He was one of the most likable characters of the series yet, and his way of dying was heartbreaking. Leaving his newly found love to reconcile with Rhulad, only to get stabbed in the back after finding his brother dead... Such a brutal, meaningless death for a great character. I really hope the Errant gets his just desserts, although I'd be surprised if this series delivered that sort of karma. Yeah, that was a real sucker punch. I love that book. And you have the correct ordering IMO.
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Conduit for Sale! posted:I'm just curious, in Deadhouse Gates when Kalam speaks to Quick Ben through his magic stones or whatever, how far into Memories of Ice is that? Neither here nor there. That particular dialogue is one that doesn't link well. But MoI is ALL a mess, and there's a sequence of MoI that deeply interlinks with DG. And that part of DG won't make sense till you read what happens on MoI side. There's also another sequence of DG that makes no sense till you see how it interlinks with HoC.
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Jan 18, 2012 01:29
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Abalieno posted:Neither here nor there. That particular dialogue is one that doesn't link well. But MoI is ALL a mess, and there's a sequence of MoI that deeply interlinks with DG. And that part of DG won't make sense till you read what happens on MoI side. What sequence in MoI links up with that DG part? I just finished MoI, but I guess I'm just not a critical enough reader to notice things like this. Also I avoid looking things up for fear of being spoiled. 
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pakman posted:What sequence in MoI links up with that DG part? I just finished MoI, but I guess I'm just not a critical enough reader to notice things like this. Also I avoid looking things up for fear of being spoiled. Seconding this. I knew that SOMETHING was being related, but haven't developed my ability to pick that stuff out. I would be interested in hearing it. EDIT: Is it when Fener gets ripped down to the moral realm? Because I remember being "wtf just happened" in DG, and when I read about it happening in MoI with all the Fener and Treach stuff, It all became a lot more clear.
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Yarrbossa posted:Seconding this. I knew that SOMETHING was being related, but haven't developed my ability to pick that stuff out. I would be interested in hearing it. Now that I think about it, yes, that could be it because the former priest that had his hands cut off mentioned it. And also in MoI there was a follower of Fener that had his hands cut off as well. Also, a House of Chains spoiler:I knew I had seen someone with a wooden sword mentioned before somewhere, but I was having the damndest time trying to remember. Then I figured out that it was in Deadhouse Gate and the Toblokai which sounded a lot like Teblor. He and another guy were guarding the body of Sha'ik and then accompanied Felisin. I was wondering what the hell is this character and why is this other guy, who is somehow related to Rallick Nom (because of the surname), talking about the siege of Pale? That is so three books ago. Then I figured out that this was somehow a prequel/backstory/I dunno leading up to something that might happen later. And that's my half-nickel on the first few chapters of House of Chains.
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pakman posted:I just finished MoI. What a great book. Toc the Younger is not a character defined by the happy events in his life. NovemberMike fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jan 20, 2012 |
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NovemberMike posted:Toc the Younger is not a character defined by the happy events in his life. Does anyone have that post about Toc (whole series spoiler)basically being the actual Herald of death due to everyone he meets dying?
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