Lawyer & Law School Megathread #12: Started Out Barrister, Ended Up Barista

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Tetrix: Aug 24, 2002

So is bar prep a Monday-Friday 9-5 thing all the way to the exam (if you're doing it the way they want)? The Bar Bri for MD says the video lectures start Wednesday, May 30.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 01:43

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# ? Jun 7, 2024 14:49

Linguica: Jul 13, 2000; You're already dead

If you're doing what they want, then yeah you will spend hours and hours a day. But that's extreme overkill. After studying for the bar twice, I am pretty convinced that the lectures are totally unnecessary and "serious" studying doesn't really start until after July 4th anyway. And isn't Maryland one of those easy-as-poo poo bar exams? Don't start getting worried quite yet.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 01:52

Mattavist: May 24, 2003

Yes, plus time on the weekends.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 01:53

sigmachiev: Dec 31, 2007; Fighting blood excels

Linguica posted:

If you're doing what they want, then yeah you will spend hours and hours a day. But that's extreme overkill. After studying for the bar twice, I am pretty convinced that the lectures are totally unnecessary and "serious" studying doesn't really start until after July 4th anyway. And isn't Maryland one of those easy-as-poo poo bar exams? Don't start getting worried quite yet.

This holds true for Cali? Bodes well for my triumphant return to PB...

# ? Jan 12, 2012 03:09

Penguins Like Pies: May 21, 2007

I got all my grades 3 days into the semester, which isn't too shabby. Haven't been kicked out of law school yet!

Also, if any Canadian students feel like poo poo about their grades, come talk to me. I'll cheer you up!

# ? Jan 12, 2012 05:07

Linguica: Jul 13, 2000; You're already dead

sigmachiev posted:

This holds true for Cali? Bodes well for my triumphant return to PB...

I didn't do any sort of bar prep for the Cali bar, I just bought some Barbri books off of eBay and self-studied. I'm sure I passed with room to spare.

I will tell you this even though you won't listen: don't do a bar prep course. Bar prep courses are designed for stupid people. You are not a stupid person. Buy used materials and study on your own and you will pass.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 05:47

Linguica: Jul 13, 2000; You're already dead

Oh yeah and for those thinking of going to law school, here's a sweet job posting http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/lgl/2793518086.html

quote:

We are staffing a document review project set to start in the very near future. This project is for JD's who are NOT barred in any state.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 05:49

nm: Jan 28, 2008; "I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Linguica posted:

I didn't do any sort of bar prep for the Cali bar, I just bought some Barbri books off of eBay and self-studied. I'm sure I passed with room to spare.

I will tell you this even though you won't listen: don't do a bar prep course. Bar prep courses are designed for stupid people. You are not a stupid person. Buy used materials and study on your own and you will pass.

No, bar prep is designed for people who want to do zero work. It forces them to work. Like me.
---
We have a UCLA grad (bar pass) working for free at my office (socal, where UCLA carries some reasonable weight). Oh yeah, market is getting better, we swear.

nm fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Jan 12, 2012

# ? Jan 12, 2012 07:24

BigHead: Jul 25, 2003; Huh?; Nap Ghost

Linguica posted:

I didn't do any sort of bar prep for the Cali bar, I just bought some Barbri books off of eBay and self-studied. I'm sure I passed with room to spare.

I will tell you this even though you won't listen: don't do a bar prep course. Bar prep courses are designed for stupid people. You are not a stupid person. Buy used materials and study on your own and you will pass.

I took the second/third hardest bar (per pass percentage) and I was so terrified that I forced myself to take BarBri. I really really wish I had the fortitude to not take BarBri, but as someone who gave gently caress-all of a gently caress my 3L year and forgot everything from my 1L year, I learned real quick that some dude telling me "HEY LEARN THIS EXACT SERIES OF WORDS MORON" was quite valuable.

Unless you are definitively a studious person (in which case you would not be in law school and thus you would not be seeking this advice) then I would recommend a comprehensive bar study package. But that's just me. Remember, I actively tried to forget that I was in law school while I was in law school, and actively unlearned everything. So if you're me, take BarBri.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 10:34

BigHead: Jul 25, 2003; Huh?; Nap Ghost

nm posted:

(I think Bighead is my evil twin)

I think you are my colleague who I can banter with, and sometimes I think you are my colleague who I can bounce my ridiculous frustrated ideas off of.

Your post makes me sad. I'm not evil I promise.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 10:48

CmdrSmirnoff: Oct 27, 2005; happy happy happy happy happy happy happy happy happy

Penguins Like Pies posted:

I got all my grades 3 days into the semester, which isn't too shabby. Haven't been kicked out of law school yet!

Also, if any Canadian students feel like poo poo about their grades, come talk to me. I'll cheer you up!

I thought you were articling already. Do you have articles lined up yet?

# ? Jan 12, 2012 12:03

Penguins Like Pies: May 21, 2007

CmdrSmirnoff posted:

I thought you were articling already. Do you have articles lined up yet?

Yea, I locked that down during articling week aka the worst two weeks of my life. I don't tend to get stressed out and I was a wreck that second week.

I'll probably start articling in July. So long, life!

# ? Jan 12, 2012 15:00

Green Crayons: Apr 2, 2009

All grades in. Didn't do anything different in terms of studying or exam response. Went down .2. That's what I get for taking multiple classes with the same professor.

Can't wait to see the drop in rank so I can wave my clerkship chances goodbye!

# ? Jan 12, 2012 15:41

G-Mawwwwwww: Jan 31, 2003; My LPth are Hot Garbage; Biscuit Hider

nm posted:

No, bar prep is designed for people who want to do zero work. It forces them to work. Like me.
---
We have a UCLA grad (bar pass) working for free at my office (socal, where UCLA carries some reasonable weight). Oh yeah, market is getting better, we swear.

UT heavily leaned on oil companies to post landman positions on its jobsite, so a ton of my classmates are working a job you only need a BA for.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 16:31

MoFauxHawk: Jan 1, 2007; Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

I didn't do so hot. Whoops. Going to work harder this semester, probably.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 16:37

Sulecrist: Apr 5, 2007; Better tear off this bar association logo.

on Jung Ma, prussian/warszawa/me have formed The Sith Amendment. Ainsley sign the gently caress on. Res Jedicata will come together once pruss goes on a Republic kick.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 17:14

Linguica: Jul 13, 2000; You're already dead

BigHead posted:

Unless you are definitively a studious person (in which case you would not be in law school and thus you would not be seeking this advice) then I would recommend a comprehensive bar study package. But that's just me. Remember, I actively tried to forget that I was in law school while I was in law school, and actively unlearned everything. So if you're me, take BarBri.

Everyone has forgotten all the poo poo from 1L, it wasn't just you. The BarBri lectures are (almost) literally just the lecturers reading aloud the outlines that they provide to you. All you do is sit there and read along and mark stuff down. So yes, if you need someone to FORCE you to read the lecture notes, then I guess paying thousands of dollars is fine, although obviously they don't actually force you and you are free to skip lectures all you want and no one is going to show up at your door etc.

BarBri is designed to try and get a below-median student at a fourth-tier school to pass the bar. Law students are incredibly risk averse by nature so bar prep companies are going to continue doing gangbusters business because it allows bar takers to shift responsibility for their bar prep away from themselves and onto a third party ("I can't believe I failed the bar, I took BarBri, what more could I have done?!?") but it's overkill for a lot of law students who are perfectly capable of passing the bar by following a reasonable self-study method.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 17:15

HiddenReplaced: Apr 21, 2007; Yeah...
it's wanking time.

CaptainScraps posted:

UT heavily leaned on oil companies to post landman positions on its jobsite, so a ton of my classmates are working a job you only need a BA for.

Well at least those jobs pay pretty well, don't they?

# ? Jan 12, 2012 17:29

joat mon: Oct 15, 2009; I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

Seth Waxman posted:

...Right now, as -- as Mr. Phillips suggested the commission has pending before it, which it has not denied for years, complaints about the opening episode of the last Olympics, which included a statue very much like some of the statues that are here in this courtroom, that had bare breasts and buttocks.
It -- it has refused to say that "Catch-22" -- it's "Catch-22" -- right over here, Justice Scalia.

(From oral arguments in FCC v. Fox)

# ? Jan 12, 2012 17:54

Petey: Nov 26, 2005; For who knows what is good for a person in life, during the few and meaningless days they pass through like a shadow? Who can tell them what will happen under the sun after they are gone?

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Broadband
Interns with the the Broadband Project will conduct primary and secondary research into fiber deployment, both in the US and abroad. Research topics may include municipal fiber networks, how competition impacts price and speed, and the role of spectrum in the broadband debate. More information about the Broadband Project can be found at: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/research/broadband.

Civic Engagement in Developing and Transitioning Countries
Interns will undertake a variety of research and writing around the use, impact, and design of digital tools for civic engagement in developing and transitioning countries. Inquiries will be broad-based, but particular attention will be given to the study of the promotion of topics such as transparency, accountability, justice and human rights, with a focus on Nigeria.

Cloud Computing Law and Policy
In Spring 2012, the Cloud Computing team at the Berkman Center in collaboration with KEIO University (Japan), the NEXA Center (Italy), and the University of St. Gallen (Switzerland) will make public its wiki-based repository of analyses, resources, and case studies on emerging issues, law, policy and current trends related to cloud computing. Building upon this foundation and under the guidance of Executive Director Urs Gasser, we will be developing specific research and analysis that leverages our international collaboration and existing resources, and ideally creates briefing materials that are useful to policymakers, industry participants, civil society members, and other actors. Interns will work directly with the team to develop associated research.

Cyberlaw Clinic
Interns with the Cyberlaw Clinic contribute to a wide range of real-world litigation, client counseling, licensing, advocacy and legislative projects covering a broad spectrum of legal issues involving the Internet, new technology, intellectual property law, youth online safety and child protection. The Clinic provides high-quality, pro-bono legal services to appropriate individuals, small start-ups, non-profit groups and government entities regarding cutting-edge issues of the Internet, new technology and intellectual property. Interns in the Cyberlaw Clinic can expect direct hands-on experience working with clients under the supervision of the Clinic's staff attorneys. More information about the Cyberlaw Clinic can be found at: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/teaching/cyberlawclinic.

Interns with the Cyberlaw Clinic will be students currently enrolled in a J.D. program in the United States.

Cybersecurity
Since Spring 2010, the Berkman Center team has been developing a cybersecurity wiki under the guidance of Jack Goldsmith. The wiki provides a set of evolving resources on cybersecurity, broadly-defined, and includes an annotated list of relevant articles and literature. This summer, we will be seeking to update this wiki by adding key resources that have been released since 2010. We also have a series of potential next steps, including, for example, an survey course and an analysis of the 'rhetoric' of cybsecurity, that we also plan to pick up and develop with summer interns.

Digital Libraries
Summer interns working on digital library issues will conduct research related to library users, content, governance, funding, publishing models, and related issues; stay abreast of developments in the digital library field (including news related to e-publishing, copyright, linked open data, and other areas); blog regularly on these issues; and contribute to the Digital Public Library of America (DPLA) wiki and website. Depending on summer needs, they may also have the opportunity to create multimedia for the DPLA website. Summer interns will also conduct research on the legal aspects and considerations related to these issues. More information about DPLA can be found at: http://dp.la.

Digital Media Law Project
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Freedom of Expression
Summer interns for this suite of projects, which includes Herdict, Internet & Democracy, OpenNet Initiative, Global Network Initiative, and others, will blog regularly about issues concerning online freedom of expression; contribute to related data gathering efforts using online sources; conduct research on internet filtering, monitoring, and control efforts around the globe; update project Twitter and Facebook accounts; and assist international partners. In the past, freedom of expression interns have also contributed to literature reviews, hand coded online content, and supported research on foreign language blogospheres, Twitter and online communities in Russia, China, Iran and the Middle East. More information about some of Berkman�s work on freedom of expression can be found at the following links: http://www.herdict.org/web/ ; http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/idblog/ ; http://opennet.net/ ; http://globalnetworkinitiative.org/.

Geek Cave
Help Berkman's geek team keep the Center running. Interns joining the Geek Cave may extend open source software, build scalable websites, or manage the mixed desktop network that keeps us moving. If you�ve been to a Berkman site, you�ve seen the work of the geeks; we also work with partners across Harvard University. Our team works with ruby, perl, php, bash, jQuery, PostgreSQL, MySQL and a slew of other tools, and you can find more information at Berkman�s github: https://github.com/berkmancenter.

Harvard Open Access Project (HOAP)
HOAP fosters open access (OA) to research within Harvard, fosters OA beyond Harvard, undertakes research and policy analysis on OA, and provides OA to timely and accurate information about OA itself. Interns with the HOAP will will add relevant information to the Open Access Directory (OAD), a wiki-based encyclopedia of OA; and will contribute to the the Open Access Tracking Project (OATP), a social-tagging project organizing knowledge about OA. There may be opportunities to write research reports on commissioned topics, draft submissions to public-policy consultations, and help organize OA-related events on campus.

H2O
Interns working with H2O, a platform that allows professors to create entirely online casebooks that are easily sharable and remixable, will assist in the development of new casebook instances. Following the successful pilot of Prof. Jonathan�s Zittrain�s Torts Class Casebook in the Fall of 2011, this summer we will create several additional casebooks with other Harvard Law School professors. Classes may include Advanced Civil Procedure and Criminal Law. Law students who have an interest in deepening their knowledge in these subjects, as well as extremely dedicated aspiring law students, will work closely with the professors to deliver an entirely online casebook. More information about H2O can be found at: h2odev.law.harvard.edu.

Information Quality in the Digital Age
Under the guidance of Executive Director Urs Gasser, this project will focus on the multi-faceted phenomenon of "information quality" in the digital age. Building upon previous research efforts, the next stage of exploration will focus on electronic media and work towards a theory of information quality in the digitally networked environment, with a particular interest in the role and interplay of law, social norms, technology, and markets. Interoperability In June 2012, Urs Gasser and John Palfrey will release their book on Interoperability: The Promise and Perils of Highly Interconnected Systems. The book is inspired by their 2005 study and paper��Breaking Down Digital Barriers: When and How Information and ICT Interoperability Drives Innovation� �which examined the relationship between interoperability and innovation in the ICT environment.

A key input into the process has been the development of supporting case studies that focus on lessons learned from sectors where interoperability is critical, such as transportation, currency markets, and energy. Interns will help to finalize existing cases for release, develop new ones, and also contribute to developing a set of associated online resources online, including a wiki and blog. More information about our Interoperability research can be found at: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/interop/.

metaLAB
The metaLAB is a research unit dedicated to innovation and experimentation in the arts, media and humanities, and metaLAB work ranges from inquiry into the history of media to advanced, open-source software development to installation art practices using hacked sensor devices. Summer interns will participate in current core research areas, including: modeling new forms of multimedia publishing and documentary art practice; creating augmented exhibitions using digitized cultural heritage and library collections; and organizing interdisciplinary gatherings of humanists, technologists, artists, legal scholars and other experimental thinkers. More information about the metaLAB can be found at: http://metalab.harvard.edu/.

Special Projects - Professor Urs Gasser
A summer intern will work on a variety of projects undertaken by Berkman's Executive Director Urs Gasser (e.g. work on privacy, globalization of law, cyberliability). Tasks include research for presentations, op-eds, and articles. This position requires the ability to find, absorb, critically analyze, and debate large amounts of written and other media materials from sources including scholarly articles, news articles and blogs, and interviews. Knowledge in German or an Asian language is a plus. More information about Urs� research can be found at: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/ugasser.

Special Projects - Professor Jonathan Zittrain
A summer intern in this position will work on a variety of projects undertaken by Professor Jonathan Zittrain, assisting in a variety of research areas (e.g. human computing, mesh networking, and Internet filtering). Summer contributions include research for conferences and presentations (including, for example, JZ�s recent Colbert Report debate); brainstorming article outlines; fact-checking materials; and reviewing original article or paper drafts. This position requires the ability to find, absorb, critically analyze, and debate large amounts of written and other media materials from sources including scholarly articles, news articles and blogs, and interviews with public policymakers. More information about JZ�s research can be found at: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/jzittrain.

Youth and Media Lab
During a summer at the Youth and Media Lab, interns will contribute to various research, advocacy, and development initiatives around youth and technology. By researching young people�s interactions with digital media such as the Internet, cell phones, and video games, we seek to address the issues their practices raise, learn how to harness the opportunities their digital fluency presents, and shape our regulatory and educational frameworks in a way that advances the public interest.

A summer intern will work for one of the Lab�s three main tracks: exploratory research, curriculum development, and tool development. The research track includes literature reviews, surveys, focus groups, and one-on-one interviews to better map youth�s usage of technology. Building upon these findings, the curriculum track aims to develop and test educational modules in collaboration with youth, designed for both formal and informal learning settings. The modules address youth�s awareness and understanding of their technology usage and bear important policy implications. Third, the Lab�s team seeks to develop a set of media literacy tools (�navigation aids for cyberspace�) including an application to assess news quality, a set of badges, etc.

Spending a summer with the Lab means joining a diverse and creative team. Past summer interns have brought expertise and enthusiasm for human-computer interaction, digital art, filmmaking, radio production, joining team members excelling in areas such as law and policy, communications, and the social sciences. The Lab�s intellectual diversity encourages collective brainstorming and discussion of how each individual team member can advance the Lab�s agenda. More information about the Youth and Media Lab can be found at: https://www.youthandmedia.org.

Law student link: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/node/7314

# ? Jan 12, 2012 18:01

G-Mawwwwwww: Jan 31, 2003; My LPth are Hot Garbage; Biscuit Hider

HiddenReplaced posted:

Well at least those jobs pay pretty well, don't they?

Eh. Enough to eke out a BA salary while paying off student loans.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 18:56

mongeese: Mar 30, 2003; If you think in fractals...

Petey posted:

[Summer] Job!

I think that this is an interesting full-time job, too:

The Berkeley Center for Law & Technology (BCLT) hiring for a Microsoft Research Fellow.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/npo/2795254983.html

or

http://www.law.berkeley.edu/files/BCLT_Research_Fellow_Job_Ad_2012(2).pdf

# ? Jan 12, 2012 19:29

Feces Starship: Nov 11, 2008; in the great green room
goodnight moon

1.) in the interests of DEPRESSION what kind of student loan situations do we have in this thread? i owe 160K after law school and undergrad and I went a public undergrad and got a partial scholarship to law school. played out my repayment scenarios last night and i will owe 2K a month for 10 years, welp

2.) hey did anybody work part time whilst studying for the bar? cause i have to somehow stay alive until starting work in september

# ? Jan 12, 2012 19:29

Sulecrist: Apr 5, 2007; Better tear off this bar association logo.

i'm going to start out owing like $150k. i'm not using any summer job money to pay it down bc i want a war chest so i can volunteer for a DA post-graduation for as long as it takes to get a job. thank god for lrap and IBR.

EDIT: if i win the lottery with a clerkship or actually like my biglaw job, that equation might change a little.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 19:31

nm: Jan 28, 2008; "I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

BigHead posted:

I think you are my colleague who I can banter with, and sometimes I think you are my colleague who I can bounce my ridiculous frustrated ideas off of.

Your post makes me sad. I'm not evil I promise.

Maybe I'm your evil twin

# ? Jan 12, 2012 19:34

WhiskeyJuvenile: Feb 15, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo

So my interview went well and I think I'll be getting a job offer. It's a NLJ 250 firm oh god what have i done.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 19:53

HiddenReplaced: Apr 21, 2007; Yeah...
it's wanking time.

Feces Starship posted:

1.) in the interests of DEPRESSION what kind of student loan situations do we have in this thread? i owe 160K after law school and undergrad and I went a public undergrad and got a partial scholarship to law school. played out my repayment scenarios last night and i will owe 2K a month for 10 years, welp

Same exact situation. It sucks, but assuming you're starting mid 100s, it's fine. Even with my other bills, 401k, and loans I have a ludicrous amount remaining each month.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 19:58

nm: Jan 28, 2008; "I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Baruch Obamawitz posted:

So my interview went well and I think I'll be getting a job offer. It's a NLJ 250 firm oh god what have i done.

Nothing, yet!
You don't have to accept and can keep your life and sanity.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 20:10

WhiskeyJuvenile: Feb 15, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo

nm posted:

Nothing, yet!
You don't have to accept and can keep your life and sanity.

This is gonna be hilarious when I take the job and get laid off in three months.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 20:11

fougera: Apr 5, 2009

I took antitrust passfail, was legit afraid of failing (or getting something like a C which I believe shows up on your transcript even if you took it P/F), wound up getting an A-...

# ? Jan 12, 2012 20:19

jake1357: Jul 10, 2001

Along the lines of the loan questions... do people usually pay them off at the minimum amount or do people try to get rid of their debt as soon as possible? Somewhere in between? Obviously the interest on federal loans is really high, but at the same time I'd think people want to save money so they're a little protected if they get laid off.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 20:34

Omerta: Feb 19, 2007; I thought short arms were good for benching

Feces Starship posted:

1.) in the interests of DEPRESSION what kind of student loan situations do we have in this thread? i owe 160K after law school and undergrad and I went a public undergrad and got a partial scholarship to law school. played out my repayment scenarios last night and i will owe 2K a month for 10 years, welp

I'll graduate owing ~50k assuming I don't put any of my SA money towards loans. My goal for the summer is to save $18k (tertiary market, so that's almost everything after taxes), pay off unsubsidized loans, then take out the $8.5k max subsidized.

If I get an offer, then I could be loan-free a year after I graduate!

jake1357 posted:

Along the lines of the loan questions... do people usually pay them off at the minimum amount or do people try to get rid of their debt as soon as possible? Somewhere in between? Obviously the interest on federal loans is really high, but at the same time I'd think people want to save money so they're a little protected if they get laid off.

If you're on the lower end salary-wise you can deduct up to $2k of interest on student loans so there's that. I was trying to figure out if there was a way I could take out a lower-interest loan to pay off my student loans that wouldn't involve buying real property but I couldn't think of one.

Omerta fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Jan 12, 2012

# ? Jan 12, 2012 20:35

HiddenReplaced: Apr 21, 2007; Yeah...
it's wanking time.

Seeing as how all you nerds in here talk about IP stuff, I have a question.

Is it possible to ask a district court to invalidate a patent application? That's poo poo's not even ripe.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 21:39

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Feces Starship posted:

1.) in the interests of DEPRESSION what kind of student loan situations do we have in this thread? i owe 160K after law school and undergrad and I went a public undergrad and got a partial scholarship to law school. played out my repayment scenarios last night and i will owe 2K a month for 10 years, welp

Graduated undergrad debt free (had an amazing scholarship), racked up about 140 in law school on not much of a scholarship. I paid it down pretty aggressively early on, but at some point I switched and started attacking the mortgage so I would be able to sell the place at some point. I think I have about 60 left.

jake1357 posted:

Along the lines of the loan questions... do people usually pay them off at the minimum amount or do people try to get rid of their debt as soon as possible? Somewhere in between? Obviously the interest on federal loans is really high, but at the same time I'd think people want to save money so they're a little protected if they get laid off.

Basically:
1) Save up emergency fund while paying minimums;
2) Pay off debt as quickly as possible.

As an aside, apparently my private loans, if you pay more than the minimums, will allow you to stop paying and let the interest sort of catch up the amortization schedule. So my next private loan payment is due in August of 2015. Not sure how common that is, but it has always struck me as weird.

HiddenReplaced posted:

Seeing as how all you nerds in here talk about IP stuff, I have a question.

Is it possible to ask a district court to invalidate a patent application? That's poo poo's not even ripe.

What do you mean, invalidate an application? There is nothing to invalidate.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 21:47

fougera: Apr 5, 2009

I took the time to figure out on excel how much my payments will be and how long it will take to pay things off while saving up an emergency fund (about 3-4 years for me depending on bonuses). Worth the peace of mind.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 21:52

fougera: Apr 5, 2009

gvibes posted:

As an aside, apparently my private loans, if you pay more than the minimums, will allow you to stop paying and let the interest sort of catch up the amortization schedule. So my next private loan payment is due in August of 2015. Not sure how common that is, but it has always struck me as weird.

Investors like it when you they get the maximum amount of interest they signed up for.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 22:06

HiddenReplaced: Apr 21, 2007; Yeah...
it's wanking time.

gvibes posted:

What do you mean, invalidate an application? There is nothing to invalidate.

One of the claims is for patent invalidation. Plaintiff wants the court to preemptively rule that any patent that arises from the applications is invalid.

In the alternative, plaintiff wants court to rule that defendant must add plaintiff's employees to the application, listing them as inventors, and then have the patent assigned to plaintiff based on its employees being the inventors.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 22:44

TheBestDeception: Nov 28, 2007

Feces Starship posted:

1.) in the interests of DEPRESSION what kind of student loan situations do we have in this thread? i owe 160K after law school and undergrad and I went a public undergrad and got a partial scholarship to law school. played out my repayment scenarios last night and i will owe 2K a month for 10 years, welp

Owe around 150k. Pay around 275 a month thanks to IBR. Loan is gone in 10 9 yrs due to state gov job.

TheBestDeception fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jan 12, 2012

# ? Jan 12, 2012 22:59

WhiskeyJuvenile: Feb 15, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo

HiddenReplaced posted:

One of the claims is for patent invalidation. Plaintiff wants the court to preemptively rule that any patent that arises from the applications is invalid.

In the alternative, plaintiff wants court to rule that defendant must add plaintiff's employees to the application, listing them as inventors, and then have the patent assigned to plaintiff based on its employees being the inventors.

look up what an interference is

# ? Jan 12, 2012 23:09

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HiddenReplaced: Apr 21, 2007; Yeah...
it's wanking time.

Baruch Obamawitz posted:

look up what an interference is

Totally billing the client for consultation with PTO official.

# ? Jan 12, 2012 23:24

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