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I am waiting until February to throw my money in, but I will definitely be in.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:Why... Why would I want some weird version with new sound, new script, new editing, new music and goddamn visual effects in Manos? Sounds more like he is trying to make the original Manos fit into his poo poo sequel. He is pulling a "Star Wars Prequel" move.
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hat Manos sequel looks like it's going to be awful but I can't resist rooting for an underdog. I hope it's somehow, against all odds, a legitimately enjoyable movie.
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Why cookie Rocket posted:hat Manos sequel looks like it's going to be awful but I can't resist rooting for an underdog. I hope it's somehow, against all odds, a legitimately enjoyable movie. I stop rooting for the underdog when it becomes rabid and starts biting my leg. gently caress that guy. How can someone be so smug about anything this... Inconsequential. A thing like that should be a labor of love, not an bloated ego.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:I stop rooting for the underdog when it becomes rabid and starts biting my leg. gently caress that guy. How can someone be so smug about anything this... Inconsequential. A thing like that should be a labor of love, not an bloated ego. It's kind of like if there was a kid at the special olympics who talked smack like Ted Diabiase. Yeah he's ridiculous and an rear end in a top hat, but part of me wants to see him actually live up to his insane hype. Additionally, I want all the returning cast members to have appeared in a good movie. 
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On the newspaper stuff front, there's good news and bad news. The good news is that most of the things I had were usable, and only two pages were destroyed in 14ish years of sitting in boxes, mostly in my garage. One of them was the "Massaged to death" article that someone else already posted. That one didn't rip, but the words bled off to the back of the page it was stuck to. The other one was the main non-color-reversed "poster". I sent most of the non-color reversed stuff in to Jamie Plummer all those years ago. I printed some of these out because I thought they might be easier to read. I've only had time to do two pages but they're scanned in 300dpi. Again, we're working with 14 year old paper printed off 40+ year old newspapers. I hope this is useful for the project or for anyone who wants to do something with them:   I should have everything else done tonight. We may want to consider finding a UTEP goon who wouldn't mind spending time in the UTEP library basement for newer and better printouts. (I moved to Dallas a few months after I found this stuff in the first place, haven't been back in years.) It shouldn't be that hard for someone else to find this stuff since we know the dates of the movie release. Back when I did all the searching in the early days of the internet, all I had was an approximate year.
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We're getting close to the midpoint of the fundraiser. I can't believe that we're already within spitting distance of $25,000! To properly say thanks, I'll be working on a special treat over the weekend that everyone can enjoy...Annakie posted:I've only had time to do two pages but they're scanned in 300dpi. Again, we're working with 14 year old paper printed off 40+ year old newspapers. I hope this is useful for the project or for anyone who wants to do something with them: Amazing! It's great to finally see these newspaper articles in a form other than the same low-res files that have been passed around for so many years.
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 This thread is officially awesome. I've always found film restoration fascinating, and I can't think of a more deserving film. Donated $25.
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Ben Solo posted:Amazing! It's great to finally see these newspaper articles in a form other than the same low-res files that have been passed around for so many years. Thanks! I hope you don't think I'm hijacking the thread with all this! I also realized that some of this is from the El Paso Herald-Post, which went out of business I think sometime in the early 90's. I'd completely forgotten El Paso used to have two major newspapers. Here's the rest of the stuff:  http://www.annakie.com/manos/quality.jpg  http://www.annakie.com/manos/masterpic1.jpg  http://www.annakie.com/manos/article2.jpg The print-out of the review I posted. This is sort of top and bottom of the same page:  http://www.annakie.com/manos/review1.jpg  http://www.annakie.com/manos/review2.jpg Annakie fucked around with this message at 03:15 on May 27, 2012 |
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I just bought a TomTom GPS and couldn't help but notice that their logo reminds me of Manos:
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Bluecobra posted:I just bought a TomTom GPS and couldn't help but notice that their logo reminds me of Manos: How much do I need to put in the Kickstarter to get Torgo on my GPS?
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WindyMan posted:How much do I need to put in the Kickstarter to get Torgo on my GPS? "The Master says turn right ahead..."
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WindyMan posted:How much do I need to put in the Kickstarter to get Torgo on my GPS?  : Hey TomTom, can I get directions to the mall? There is no way out of here. It'll be dark soon. What? I just want to go to the mall. There is no way out of here.
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I had a bad day at work. What do I do when I come home late and pissed off? Put on my MST3K DVD of Manos and donate to Ben's amazing restoration project to cheer myself up, of course. I've been laughing a lot. In all truth I've been meaning to donate for a while but had a serious case of laziness. Or maybe Torgo-style footdragging.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:I stop rooting for the underdog when it becomes rabid and starts biting my leg. gently caress that guy. How can someone be so smug about anything this... Inconsequential. A thing like that should be a labor of love, not an bloated ego. Seriously he sounds like the worst kind of person you meet in the movie industry, all talk no walk, and still feels the need to bag on others He says he's making his own restoration, it's been how long and we've seen how much progress exactly? Yeah, that's what I thought
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Thanks for those scans Annakie. There's something wonderful about seeing Manos and The Professionals being discussed in the same article.
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Annakie posted:Thanks! I hope you don't think I'm hijacking the thread with all this! Not at all! This is exactly the kind of thing I was hoping would pop up when I posted this thread.The t-shirt designer I'm working with went nuts over the newspaper ad when I showed it to him. He wants to vectorize the movie's ad logo- I'll be sure to post it when he does. Remember when I said I was working on a special treat? Well here's a little preview: an image you're all familiar with, now in startling 2k straight from the Scanity:  [edit] Oops, Imgur compresses these things... better quality here. Ben Solo fucked around with this message at 10:51 on Jan 15, 2012 |
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Wow! That grain can only be described as delicious. Can't wait to see the finished product.
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Ben Solo posted:Not at all! This is exactly the kind of thing I was hoping would pop up when I posted this thread.The t-shirt designer I'm working with went nuts over the newspaper ad when I showed it to him. He wants to vectorize the movie's ad logo- I'll be sure to post it when he does. I've always thought she was a striking woman but I'm still amazed by this.
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Ben Solo posted:Not at all! This is exactly the kind of thing I was hoping would pop up when I posted this thread.The t-shirt designer I'm working with went nuts over the newspaper ad when I showed it to him. He wants to vectorize the movie's ad logo- I'll be sure to post it when he does. Got this pic though the kickstarter email, checking it on my HTC Evo phone hand having that pic just pop up on the screen was a bit creepy!
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Can someone find a screenshot from the old dvd/MST3K still of that scene? The work you put into it so far is amazing. I can't wait to see the final product, Ben Solo.
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From the Shout DVD  Whatever print the MST guys had was even better than that. 
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Rirse posted:Can someone find a screenshot from the old dvd/MST3K still of that scene? The work you put into it so far is amazing. I can't wait to see the final product, Ben Solo. I grabbed this from the PD DVD from Alpha Video:  It's somewhere in between.
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Man, it's literally night and different. Weird how clean the MST3K print was to the DVD.
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I love how it seems she's wearing a completely different shirt or that you can't even tell she's wearing a necklace.
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Ben Solo posted:Not at all! This is exactly the kind of thing I was hoping would pop up when I posted this thread.The t-shirt designer I'm working with went nuts over the newspaper ad when I showed it to him. He wants to vectorize the movie's ad logo- I'll be sure to post it when he does. Still no spare money to give you, unfortunately, but now that I've seen your work, I'm definitely going to donate.
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Ben, in what ratio are you going to present the finished restoration? It's obvious that previous versions cropped the hell out of the print and, since we're talking about the necklace, it would be a shame for stuff like that to get cut out.
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Wow, we've got enough comparisons in here now to make your head spin! When I saw the first 2K images come up and could finally see Margaret's freckles, I knew I was in for a treat. The MST print is 'better' because it did in fact come from Emerson Films (and I have what I think is the same transfer on Betacam SP). The Alpha / Shout Factory release apparently comes from a collector's print, and is riddled with splices and cuts. Young Freud posted:Ben, in what ratio are you going to present the finished restoration? It's obvious that previous versions cropped the hell out of the print and, since we're talking about the necklace, it would be a shame for stuff like that to get cut out. What you see here is about how I would like to present it: the full frame from edge to edge. This will require a slight windowbox on the home video, but I think it's worth it. There will be a side effect of this choice, though- full frame will allow you to see the occasional bit of debris printed on the edge of the image that came from dirt or hair in the film gate during shooting. Since those are notoriously difficult to remove digitally and were, after all, always present on the film, I'm thinking it might be best to leave the majority of them in. The same goes for light leaks from the camera, which are sometimes visible on the right edge of frame. I'll bring the image as close as possible to how it looked right out of the camera, but I won't make any revisions to the image itself- none of the huge moths that wander into frame will be digitally removed while we're at it.
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This is just getting me more and more excited. I'm really curious to see if the film is any more watchable with such a pristine picture. Some of the shots in the movie are actually pretty nice to look at. I think I'm starting to forget how much of an affront to storytelling this film actually is. Still, I'm buying this the minute it's available.
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Ben Solo posted:There will be a side effect of this choice, though- full frame will allow you to see the occasional bit of debris printed on the edge of the image that came from dirt or hair in the film gate during shooting. Since those are notoriously difficult to remove digitally and were, after all, always present on the film, I'm thinking it might be best to leave the majority of them in. The same goes for light leaks from the camera, which are sometimes visible on the right edge of frame. I'll bring the image as close as possible to how it looked right out of the camera, but I won't make any revisions to the image itself- none of the huge moths that wander into frame will be digitally removed while we're at it. This is really good news.
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Ballz posted:I love how it seems she's wearing a completely different shirt or that you can't even tell she's wearing a necklace. Or that her eyes actually have color to them.
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The flatbed scans were nice enough, but I'm genuinely surprised by the crispness of the Scanity work. It's like every grain was captured intact. This is going to be demo material for Blu-Ray.
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I don't have a Bluray player and I will still buy the poo poo out of this. You are a hero and I love you.
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ShadyNasty posted:I don't have a Bluray player and I will still buy the poo poo out of this. You are a hero and I love you.
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It's no coincidence that this particular reel (which amounts to 1/7th of the film) was chosen for the first scan: it's in the best condition of the bunch. It is visually representative of the quality we will aim for during our digital clean-up, and believe me, some sections of the film will really need those extra donations to properly cover the labor involved in fixing them up. When I post some test clips soon you'll be seeing an image that is more or less raw, with uncorrected damage, and synched up to the public domain soundtrack. Not ideal, but if you could see what I'm seeing here you'd want to share it too!Egbert Souse posted:The flatbed scans were nice enough, but I'm genuinely surprised by the crispness of the Scanity work. It's like every grain was captured intact. This is going to be demo material for Blu-Ray. Not to imply that one specific scanner can automatically make things look great, but in experimenting with the resulting files I can see that there is tremendous latitude for us to work with, plus damage information already in the alpha channel that will save us a great deal of time later. It's no wonder Criterion likes this scanner so much for archival elements that exist in poor shape, like Island of Lost Souls. Fortunately Manos is only around 70 minutes or so, which means we can be fairly generous with the bitrate of the Blu-ray. It will take a bit of testing, I'm sure, to determine which codec will treat the grain the best.
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