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Jerry Cotton posted:Artists making albums instead of just making songs is why we have so much lovely music on records. This was the case even before CDs. I could not disagree with you more.
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Jan 16, 2012 00:32
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johnny almond posted:Started my vinyl collection today, I can already see my money disappearing in the future. Yeah, I can forsee this too. Thanks again for the help.
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Jan 16, 2012 00:34
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yeah not to derail record collecting talk too much here but the idea that an album is less a "collection of songs set down on record" than "a single flow of songs in particular order with possible narrative" is a very new and western rock oriented idea, so don't hang on that too too much.
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Jan 16, 2012 00:36
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gil scott heron - im new here (which is a great vinyl) is a prefect example of that.Dancing Potato posted:Is this Vintage Vinyl? They have a Discogs shop and I swear they have 8 or 9 things that I would love to have for at least 20$ more than anyone else on Discogs.
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Jan 16, 2012 03:17
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Here's the appeal of a record: it can be a great loving package. Today I got Spiritualized: Ladies and Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space, and the package is amazing. It's packaged like a prescription drug, right down to the sleeves imitating a giant blister-pack, and the insert is shaped like a drug insert. That's just something that would be harder to pull off on CD. I mean, yeah, it can be done, but it doesn't feel as great.
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big business sloth posted:yeah not to derail record collecting talk too much here but the idea that an album is less a "collection of songs set down on record" than "a single flow of songs in particular order with possible narrative" is a very new and western rock oriented idea, so don't hang on that too too much. Concept albums date back at least 50 years and I'm guessing that symphonies like Eroica were the next thing to be etched on wax after "Mary had a little lamb". I think there are a lot of hip hop artists that would disagree that their albums are just 10 songs they wrote and happened to publish at the same time.
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Cemetry Gator posted:Here's the appeal of a record: it can be a great loving package. Actually not to rain on this parade, the CD special edition is packed the same way. Actually in two similar editions. One box was a giant 'pill package' with just the single CD, and one box with 12 individual mini-CDs in their own seperate blister pocket (or however many tracks there are). As for why vinyl. I say vinyl (and CDs actually) because really purely digital anything is terrible. I believe the negatives vastly outweigh the positives regarding non-physical mediums. Not only for each individual scene and the individuals and groups within them, but it pushes the world further down the path of the computer geek, leaving actual craft and art behind. Certainly in the dance scenes vinyl is sadly slowly falling out of favour and I think the negative effects the switch to digital has had can be seen there. And vinyl would've probably been a dead format without dance music in the 90s. The day I'm left having to download everything to a bloody Kindle or mp3 player will probably be the day I off myself. And I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I also feel cheated buying digitally. So you want me to pay almost as much as a CD, only I don't actually get anything in return? Yeah that's just wonderful mate. Sure I get the files, but I could torrent that just as easily without costing me anything and it'd be no different. I can't support any future smack addiction on files! Cash Convertors won't take no .wav files. Though I do have problems with the rising cost of vinyl. Having to pay like £15-8 for like a rock or indie album is ridiculous, and all because they've become en vogue and a collectors edition rather than the proper way to buy/listen. And that's just for a single plate as well! Don't get me started on 7 inches costing £5 and up nowadays! Wait I'm supposed to be winning you over aren't I? Er... Ah! More importantly having a vinyl and CD collection will impress members of the opposite sex. No one has ever gotten laid by telling a girl they have 20,000 mp3 files on their iPod (Please note this fact may or may not have been totally made up).
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Dmitri-9 posted:Concept albums date back at least 50 years and I'm guessing that symphonies like Eroica were the next thing to be etched on wax after "Mary had a little lamb". I think there are a lot of hip hop artists that would disagree that their albums are just 10 songs they wrote and happened to publish at the same time. A lot of albums have songs with a central theme or aesthetic without necessarily being a concept album. This is in fact why I like albums so much. When you're dealing with a good band each one of their albums is them playing some different variation of their sound. Or better, yet trying something new entirely.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Artists making albums instead of just making songs is why we have so much lovely music on records. This was the case even before CDs. You've said this before, and it's a valid opinion and all, but it's a very strange thought for someone who collects vinyl. Do you only buy 45s or something?
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Jan 16, 2012 07:47
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You could just as easily make the case that the LP format expanded the bounds of creativity in the pop/rock genres.
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rings of bonzo posted:im sorry if this has been asked a thousand times, and im sure its really annoying, but what advantage is there to listening to vinyl over cds or flac files? i have done some reading, but everyone seems to say different things, some say the digital capturing process creates distortion, others say that is a complete lie created by people who prefer vinyl, blah blah blah. Dredging this old thing back up, but the main reason I got into record collecting was all to do with timing. This was in the 56k era, late 90's and people were still desperate to get rid of records. Downloading music wasn't an option, and records were a very cheap way to hear a lot of great music that wasn't available anywhere else. I would carry 50 pounds of records 3 miles home from the markets on a Sunday (I was 13), I probably paid $10 for the lot. The point of this rambling is that for me, records were the only way to hear the music I was after. It wasn't a trendy choice or one made for fidelity's sake. The hipsters, Record Store Days, and the goodwills charging $15 for beat to poo poo Sgt. Peppers all came later. e: Wow, that came out surprisingly 'when I was a boy, we had discs with grooves in them' 
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I think for me, there's a sense of "Finding a record" that doesn't exist elsewhere. You know, it's something limited. It's something that isn't always going to be there. You make a choice not to buy a record, that could be it. You might not get a second chance. And sometimes, you really do get a find. For instance, I was digging in Goodwill, and found this record by a band called "Blue Zoo." They looked like a total gently caress-up of a New-Wave band, I was expecting something terrible. But low-and-behold, it's actually a good album, and even so, I could flip it for like 40 bucks if I really wanted. With music-videos like this, is it amazing that this album was apparently never released on CD? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4CbdGGl19o
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MokBa posted:You've said this before, and it's a valid opinion and all, but it's a very strange thought for someone who collects vinyl. Do you only buy 45s or something? Mostly used LPs because they tend to be cheaper. I do tend to listen to certain tracks over and over again - which is something vinyl records are probably least suitable for but at least it gets me off my arse every few minutes. I have no problem with albums that are made up of tracks written specifically for that album per se (  ) but 99% of them have filler. Whenever I hear that someoneorother has been "working on their new album" for however long it took them I just can't help but feel sorry for the poor bastards because it's highly unlikely it was time well spent and the only one who really benefits is the dude who sells them cocaine.
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Wilbur Swain posted:You could just as easily make the case that the LP format expanded the bounds of creativity in the pop/rock genres. Certainly. Most musicians just don't have the wherewithal to fill the drat thing and the value a great many people put on using "original" material makes it even more difficult.
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A musician friend of mine asked me (as a musician) if I thought albums were necessary anymore. I told him that albums are very important to me, how I often missed out on digital singles that are released because I didn't hear about them and how I hated that my digital collection had a random song from a band that didn't fit anywhere.  soundtracks! I disagree with the idea that albums are the cause of so much hit and miss music/bands. If anything, the big record companies are the cause. "Let's sign this band with these two great singles. Who cares what else is on there, we're not selling those songs". If anything has ruined albums, it's the record industry and marketing bullshit. For me, albums are a window into a period of an artist/band. The next album sounds a bit different because time has passed and they've grown as an artist/band. I dread the day that everything is iTunes download only because there won't be any albums, it will just be per song purchasing and your music collection will look like a giant shuffle playlist. I got into vinyl because I missed the physical medium and artwork. Being a kid and buying a CD and going home and listening to it while reading all the liner notes and lyric sheets and all the artwork, it was awesome. Too bad CDs were still very blah for me because who has a CD Player at home anymore? I know I don't. I have a computer and once you dump the music on your computer, you kinda just toss the CD in a box, closet, shelf etc. I like that when I'm listening to a record, I can go over to my shelf, pull the record, place it on the player and set the needle down and listen to the whole drat thing. It's the same with shopping. After a certain point I stopped buying CDs. I never went to a music store to look for new music. I only bought CDs at shows or online if I had to have something that I couldn't download. Now, I can go back to the hobby of actually looking through music at the store and making a day of it. It's fun.
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I Might Be Adam posted:A musician friend of mine asked me (as a musician) if I thought albums were necessary anymore. I told him that albums are very important to me, how I often missed out on digital singles that are released because I didn't hear about them and how I hated that my digital collection had a random song from a band that didn't fit anywhere. I agree that it's the record companies and not band's fault for albums with one or 2 good songs and the rest crap. Lots of debut album are great, and then the band is under contract to make more, but they blow their load on the first album and don't have anything left to give. Classic rock though is full of musicians that have kick rear end albums start to finish. I think late 70s is really when it started to become a problem, OR...bands that had that problem before have already faded into obscurity.
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I think part of the problem is also that record companies want to sell an image more than they want to sell music. Take a look at Kings of Leon. When they first started out, they were these kinda scraggly looking country dudes making gritty, original, upbeat southern rock. Once they switched to a major label, they become these stylish pretty boys and now all of their music sounds exactly the same, and may as well be Coldplay or something. Lana Del Rey is another good example. No one had heard of her last summer when her first single was released, and almost immediately afterward, she's featured on magazine covers, getting her two songs played constantly, music videos, the whole shebang. She was even on SNL this weekend, despite not even having an album out yet. Because her music isn't what's for sale, her look and style are. If you saw her SNL performance, you know that's pretty much all she has going for her outside of the studio. Still, even with all the manufactured garbage out there, there are plenty of artists who make really quality albums consistently. 
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Cpt. Spring Types posted:I think part of the problem is also that record companies want to sell an image more than they want to sell music. Take a look at Kings of Leon. When they first started out, they were these kinda scraggly looking country dudes making gritty, original, upbeat southern rock. Once they switched to a major label, they become these stylish pretty boys and now all of their music sounds exactly the same, and may as well be Coldplay or something. I feel sort of ambivalent about KOL and acts like them. I never got into their music when they were 'weird' and I definitely didn't get into it when they got huge. That said, what little I did know about their old sound made me feel a little burnt by the change. At the same time, I really hate the notion of "selling out" or "going commercial"- even though it's something that I consciously see/recognize and definitely influences my feelings on an artist's work. I'm not going to begrudge an artist's decision to "sell out" or write for the American Idol market or license a song to an advertising firm or video game. These days, when file sharing accounts for more copies of a song out in the aether than sales by a literally-exponential margin, giving a musician poo poo for "selling out" isn't fair. This goes double for everybody's favorite unspoilt indie band who don't benefit from the sheer volume of successful sales that people like Lady Gaga or Soulja Boy get. It drives me up a wall when some friend of mine bitches about hearing a New Pornographers song on a T-Mobile ad or whatever. It's the same thing as Modest Mouse putting 'Float On' on Rock Band. Those guys made more money on that one license than they have on more than a decade's-worth of other, well-respected work. It's sort of like what Dave Sitek from TV on the Radio once said about NYC pretentiousness: You don't have the right to bitch about sellouts when you've filled your iPod up with illegal music. That's one of the biggest reasons I like vinyl. Don't get me wrong, I've got no beef with a quality digital file- and all things considered, the file is probably more useful to me. But as long as I'm not in abject poverty, I'm going to purchase the album. And if it's between spending $10 on a digital download or $15 on a vinyl copy (which 95% of the time comes with the download anyway- unless they're dicks), I'd rather get the version that comes with all of the neat, tangible stuff that the LP brings. That said, if it's an artist I'm not super into- or the vinyl costs stupidly more than the download- or Amazon has the album on sale for $5, all bets are off. As for Lana Del Rey- the honest truth behind her career is that she's a moderately attractive white chick with decent songs that tick a couple of the "hot right now" boxes and her dad was rich enough to bankroll her career start. I'm not saying he 'bought' her a career- just that he paid for the studio time and demos and production team and initial publicity and other things that usually hobble most songwriting hopefuls in the pre-record deal stage. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jan 16, 2012 |
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Electric Bugaloo posted:It's the same thing as Modest Mouse putting 'Float On' on Rock Band. Those guys made more money on that one license than they have on more than a decade's-worth of other, well-respected work. Rock Band (or was it Rock Band 2?) was how I was introduced to Modest Mouse. It's kind of weird to read about bands that have 'sold out' because I'm so out of the loop when it comes to what's being played on TV, radio, or even clubs that it makes absolutely zero difference to me. I basically have no idea which bands are hugely popular and hyped until I accidentally read about it somewhere or ask a friend 'have you heard this here great song' and they answer with 'OH MY GOD HOW CAN YOU STILL LISTEN TO THAT poo poo'. (I've only ever heard half a Justin Bieber song and it's not like I've been avoiding his music on purpose.) EDIT: Re-reading this I'm not sure if I have a point vOv
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Jerry Cotton posted:Rock Band (or was it Rock Band 2?) was how I was introduced to Modest Mouse. It's kind of weird to read about bands that have 'sold out' because I'm so out of the loop when it comes to what's being played on TV, radio, or even clubs that it makes absolutely zero difference to me. I basically have no idea which bands are hugely popular and hyped until I accidentally read about it somewhere or ask a friend 'have you heard this here great song' and they answer with 'OH MY GOD HOW CAN YOU STILL LISTEN TO THAT poo poo'. I feel that way about the Black Keys. Good, they should be recognized by how great they are. Unfortunately, I can't stand their new single because I've heard JUST THE CHORUS probably 100 times in the past month and no matter how good something is, you hear just a snippet that many times, you're going to get sick of it. Same thing with Foster the People. I had no idea who they were, someone told me I should listen to that 'pumped up kicks' song and I did, thought it was ok, then went to listen to the whole album and 2 other songs jumped out at me because I'd heard them in various commercials and already hated those songs. Not saying the band would have been saved for me if they hadn't, I didn't really care for them from the start.
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I'd never heard of Foster the People before. That's a really really lame video. But the music isn't half bad. I HEAR ABOUT BANDS ON SOMETHING AWFUL.  (Then again, that's far less worrying than if I'd heard that Kim Jong Il died or that Russia declared war on Kazakhstan on SA.)Usually I find good 'new' music by buying second-hand records that have cool covers. It's a pretty hit-and-miss method since there are a lot more good covers than good records. 3D Megadoodoo fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jan 16, 2012 |
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I went to Oxfam at the weekend and was able to pick up the following -  Which was a nice find. Today however I came home from work to find a package waiting with some cool Polish stamps on -  Inside it was -  Biosphere's ambient masterpiece Substrata. This supposed to be limited to 1000 copies but I'm not really sure how true it is, mine has no identifying marks on it or anything. Still, its pretty awesome.  It did set me back £30 with P+P though. Still really chuffed with it. Sorry for the poor pics!
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Electric Bugaloo posted:At the same time, I really hate the notion of "selling out" or "going commercial"- even though it's something that I consciously see/recognize and definitely What if I don't have either of those things? Can I bitch then? Do I get some kind of special platinum bitching option? I don't actually complain about bands "selling out".
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CPL593H posted:What if I don't have either of those things? Can I bitch then? Do I get some kind of special platinum bitching option? It's sort of like what Jerry Cotton from Something Awful once said about NYC pretentiousness: You just assume everyone has an iPod.
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How was it packed? I've been considering buying records online, but I'm afraid it'll arrive cracked or folded or something.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Usually I find good 'new' music by buying second-hand records that have cool covers. It's a pretty hit-and-miss method since there are a lot more good covers than good records. Same, it's a good system. Not much to lose really... Well, 50c.
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Admiral Goodenough posted:How was it packed? I've been considering buying records online, but I'm afraid it'll arrive cracked or folded or something. As someone who's bought records online (several times from overseas) a whole lot of times, I can personally say I've never had a problem. I'm not saying it never happens, but it's uncommon and I don't think records are any more likely than anything else to be damaged in shipping. Well, unless the person who sent it is a shithead and skimped on packaging.
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The worst I've had buying online was when I got All the Waters of the Earth Turn to Blood as a CD instead of the vinyl, which I double checked in the order box. Even Amazon has really good packaging for records.
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CPL593H posted:What if I don't have either of those things? Can I bitch then? Do I get some kind of special platinum bitching option? Sure.  You're being kind of a oval office Jerry Cotton posted:It's sort of like what Jerry Cotton from Something Awful once said about NYC pretentiousness: You just assume everyone has an iPod. Well aren't you a special snowflake then?  The iPod was an example from an actual quote, and the overwhelming majority of young people who listen to and care about music have at least some (if not a lot of) unpurchased music. Some of them buy vinyl too.I'm not gonna gripe about a band wanting to make money given how fickle sales are as an income source thanks to that. You're a big oval office (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Don't tell anyone, but I actually agree with the point he was making. But next time I'll run all my jokes by you.
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Is there anything special I should know about when listening to a picture lp? I just bought one and I can't wait to listen.
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I don't own any picture discs myself but I have heard that the sound quality on them usually aren't the best. Beyond that there isn't anything special you need to do to play them or anything.
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lordblytzkrieg posted:Is there anything special I should know about when listening to a picture lp? I just bought one and I can't wait to listen.
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lordblytzkrieg posted:Is there anything special I should know about when listening to a picture lp? I just bought one and I can't wait to listen. As llibja noted, the absence of carbon black in the vinyl mixture can lead to a noisier record, so they are really more of a novelty. But under normal circumstances they should be perfectly acceptable.
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Cpt. Spring Types posted:I think part of the problem is also that record companies want to sell an image more than they want to sell music. Take a look at Kings of Leon. When they first started out, they were these kinda scraggly looking country dudes making gritty, original, upbeat southern rock. Once they switched to a major label, they become these stylish pretty boys and now all of their music sounds exactly the same, and may as well be Coldplay or something. Coincidentally, you can swap out "Kings of Leon" for "My Morning Jacket" in your first paragraph and it still works, though It Still Moves was enjoyable.
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theradiostillsucks posted:Coincidentally, you can swap out "Kings of Leon" for "My Morning Jacket" in your first paragraph and it still works, though It Still Moves was enjoyable. I don't know that would mistake this for Coldplay, but whatever.
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Ron Burgundy posted:As llibja noted, the absence of carbon black in the vinyl mixture can lead to a noisier record, so they are really more of a novelty. But under normal circumstances they should be perfectly acceptable. Well, its a black metal album so the production is already awful. So when you say noisier do you mean like noise to an audio-snob or noise I can heat through poo poo guitars?
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lordblytzkrieg posted:Well, its a black metal album so the production is already awful. So when you say noisier do you mean like noise to an audio-snob or noise I can heat through poo poo guitars? The first one.
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lordblytzkrieg posted:Well, its a black metal album so the production is already awful. So when you say noisier do you mean like noise to an audio-snob or noise I can heat through poo poo guitars? Yeah it's snob noise, almost like slight wear. But on a majority of systems it's a negligible difference.
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