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AbbiTheDog
May 21, 2007

entris posted:

Ha! I already had that on my desk!

I know it's probably a theft loss and whatnot but that answer is so easy and I was hoping for something more juicy re: the gift tax. Oh well! Now to write a memo.

Hell, if you guys are going that route, try rev. ruling 2009-9 and/or 2009-20.

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Dreadite
Dec 31, 2004

College Slice
Hi this is probably really easy but-

I live in a state that has income tax (GA), but for a few months this year I did some work remotely for a company in a state with no income tax, and I did not have them withhold anything for state taxes (oops).

I understand that since I was a resident of GA, I owe them taxes on money earned while living here even if it was earned in a different state. How difficult is this going to be to file with H&R block online or whatever? Should I just report it as income earned in GA and say I paid no taxes to GA, and the software will take care of it? Not sure how to proceed.

furushotakeru
Jul 20, 2004

Your Honor, why am I pink?!

Dreadite posted:

Hi this is probably really easy but-

I live in a state that has income tax (GA), but for a few months this year I did some work remotely for a company in a state with no income tax, and I did not have them withhold anything for state taxes (oops).

I understand that since I was a resident of GA, I owe them taxes on money earned while living here even if it was earned in a different state. How difficult is this going to be to file with H&R block online or whatever? Should I just report it as income earned in GA and say I paid no taxes to GA, and the software will take care of it? Not sure how to proceed.

Since you are a GA resident all income will be taxable to GA. Your software should know to include it on your state return.

scribe jones
Sep 17, 2008

One of the key problems in the analysis of this puzzling book is to be able to differentiate a real language from meaningless writing.

AbbiTheDog posted:

You can't claim a deduction for illegal activities.

Example - you're a heroin dealer. You need to pick up and pay taxes on your sales income, but you are not allowed to deduct as a cost of goods sold the cost of your H.

making payments to a blackmailer is not a crime as far as I know. also as a heroin dealer you aren't entitled to ordinary expenses, but you are absolutely allowed to deduct COGS to arrive at gross income on Sch C.

furushotakeru
Jul 20, 2004

Your Honor, why am I pink?!

scribe jones posted:

making payments to a blackmailer is not a crime as far as I know. also as a heroin dealer you aren't entitled to ordinary expenses, but you are absolutely allowed to deduct COGS to arrive at gross income on Sch C.

No I'm pretty sure that you are not allowed to deduct ANY expenses associated with illegally gained income.

Besides, good luck trying to prove your expenses. Everything is cash and it isn't like he is going to get receipts!

scribe jones
Sep 17, 2008

One of the key problems in the analysis of this puzzling book is to be able to differentiate a real language from meaningless writing.

furushotakeru posted:

No I'm pretty sure that you are not allowed to deduct ANY expenses associated with illegally gained income.

yeah but COGS isn't an expense, it's a component of gross income. from some journal:

quote:

In accordance with Reg. [section]1.61-3(a), drug dealers compute gross income by subtracting cost of goods sold (cost of sales) for the tax year from total sales of the period. Thus, no differentiation is made here between legal and illegal activities when determining gross income. Cost of goods sold is merely characterized as a negative item of income, not a deduction item. This convention appears to generate a taxable income for drug dealers that is reduced by cost of goods sold.

The definition of gross income simply entails total sales less cost of goods sold. Drug dealers are precluded from deducting any expenses incurred in this illegal activity; however, the IRC fails to change the general definition of gross income regarding drug dealers.

furushotakeru
Jul 20, 2004

Your Honor, why am I pink?!
Interesting, I'll have to let my drug dealer know file that away in the "random trivia" area of my brain.

Kwik
Apr 4, 2006

You can't touch our beaver. :canada:

furushotakeru posted:

Interesting, I'll have to let my drug dealer know file that away in the "random trivia" area of my brain.

If you flip through Pub. 17, you get all sorts of interesting things- items you stole have to be reported as income unless you return them to their original owner in the same calendar year you stole them, bribes are reportable income. The IRS really covers all their bases, the better to nail people for tax evasion.

Admiral101
Feb 20, 2006
RMU: Where using the internet is like living in 1995.

quote:

making payments to a blackmailer is not a crime as far as I know. also as a heroin dealer you aren't entitled to ordinary expenses, but you are absolutely allowed to deduct COGS to arrive at gross income on Sch C.

Extortion isn't illegal in the US? Real question.

scribe jones
Sep 17, 2008

One of the key problems in the analysis of this puzzling book is to be able to differentiate a real language from meaningless writing.

Admiral101 posted:

Extortion isn't illegal in the US? Real question.

extortion is a crime, being extorted is not

Konstantin
Jun 20, 2005
And the Lord said, "Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
If I decide to 'stake' a player in a poker tournament, paying part of his entry fee and getting a portion of his winnings, how do I treat this income? Do both of us have to pay taxes on it?

scribe jones
Sep 17, 2008

One of the key problems in the analysis of this puzzling book is to be able to differentiate a real language from meaningless writing.

Konstantin posted:

If I decide to 'stake' a player in a poker tournament, paying part of his entry fee and getting a portion of his winnings, how do I treat this income? Do both of us have to pay taxes on it?

Taxable to the staker/horse in proportion to the agreement. If your horse cashes, have him give Form 5754 to the casino so that they can send everybody W-2Gs with the correct amounts.

Feces Starship
Nov 11, 2008

in the great green room
goodnight moon
I'm a full time student who also works a seasonal job that pays quite well. As a result, I get taxed as though I make the biweekly amount year round, so I usually have huge withholdings.

Last year was the first year I discovered the lifetime learning tax credit or whatever, and that massively increased my refund. Problem is that I hadn't taken it the prior two years, both of which were years in which I would have been eligible.

Can I amend or something and get adjusted refunds for those years?

furushotakeru
Jul 20, 2004

Your Honor, why am I pink?!

Feces Starship posted:

I'm a full time student who also works a seasonal job that pays quite well. As a result, I get taxed as though I make the biweekly amount year round, so I usually have huge withholdings.

Last year was the first year I discovered the lifetime learning tax credit or whatever, and that massively increased my refund. Problem is that I hadn't taken it the prior two years, both of which were years in which I would have been eligible.

Can I amend or something and get adjusted refunds for those years?

Yes

AbbiTheDog
May 21, 2007

furushotakeru posted:

Interesting, I'll have to let my drug dealer know file that away in the "random trivia" area of my brain.

Here in Oregon I keep having oddball clients that lose their jobs decide to grow medical weed for their friends.

I just tell them I'm going to make them put that on their tax returns, and that it's still illegal for federal purposes, and for some reason they don't come back the following year.

Konstantin
Jun 20, 2005
And the Lord said, "Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
I thought you weren't required to disclose any illegal activity on your income tax forms because of the 5th Amendment. You have to report the income, but you don't have to report where it's from.

Reverend Cheddar
Nov 6, 2005

wriggle cat is happy
I'm perplexed and my school is being about as useful as a screen door on a battleship. I have my 1098 from school, where it reports on line 2 my tuition ($3449), and on line 3 the amount of a scholarship I won ($2000). I only used half of the scholarship to pay the amount of tuition that my federal loans didn't cover, and I saved the rest to pay in the same way for this quarter.

I'm trying to figure out how I should report this and write it down. I'm aware it's not taxable if it's used for tuition, but if I only used half of it last year for tuition (the other half I used just last week to pay for tuition this quarter), does that mean that the half I didn't use in 2011 is taxable, even though I'd earmarked all of it to be used for tuition eventually? My school only gives me the automatic 'tuition-related expenses are not taxable! :downs:' email response. And does it also count as income, in this case? I have a W-2 from work I gotta file anyway and I'm not sure if the scholarship amount should feed into the total.

I also have to figure out how to accurately report for the tuition tax credit. I assume that the amount left over when subtracting the scholarship from the tuition (in this case, $2449) would be the amount I can claim for that? Or... if the entire scholarship was earmarked for tuition anyway, could I just write it off the tuition amount and report only $1449?

Sorry if I sound like a ditz about all this. This is the very first time I've had to deal with loans in paying for college (not a freshman, just got lucky with Pell Grants up till last year) and I feel like I'm suddenly in over my head. :ohdear:

tangy yet delightful
Sep 13, 2005



Later this year I'm going to be possibly renting out my current home and I'm trying to start understanding what laws and tax laws are going to apply to this. Is this a good list to start with? Does anyone have any recommended reading? Should I just hire a tax professional?

Capsaicin
Nov 17, 2004

broof roof roof
I have a question about Medicare and Social Security tax rates. I assume that my "medicare wages" and my "Social Security Wages" are just my total income (not self-employed, basic of most basic, I guess). TaxACT is telling me that my medicare tax withheld is supposed to be 1.45% of my wages and my social security is supposed to be 4.2% of my income.

My W-2 says that I paid WAY more than 1.45% and 4.2% of those. Am I reading this wrong? If I did pay more than that, do I get that money back?

Small White Dragon
Nov 23, 2007

No relation.

Capsaicin posted:

I have a question about Medicare and Social Security tax rates. I assume that my "medicare wages" and my "Social Security Wages" are just my total income (not self-employed, basic of most basic, I guess). TaxACT is telling me that my medicare tax withheld is supposed to be 1.45% of my wages and my social security is supposed to be 4.2% of my income.

My W-2 says that I paid WAY more than 1.45% and 4.2% of those. Am I reading this wrong? If I did pay more than that, do I get that money back?
Did you contribute to a retirement or some other benefit plan? Those amounts are included when calculating SS and MD contributions but not your income for federal tax purposes.

Also, if the percentages come out to 2.9% and 10.4%, it's possible your employer included their payments.



Edit: And if your employer really did screw up, you're going to need to get them to fix it.

Small White Dragon fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Jan 17, 2012

AbbiTheDog
May 21, 2007

Capsaicin posted:

I have a question about Medicare and Social Security tax rates. I assume that my "medicare wages" and my "Social Security Wages" are just my total income (not self-employed, basic of most basic, I guess). TaxACT is telling me that my medicare tax withheld is supposed to be 1.45% of my wages and my social security is supposed to be 4.2% of my income.

My W-2 says that I paid WAY more than 1.45% and 4.2% of those. Am I reading this wrong? If I did pay more than that, do I get that money back?

Boxes 3 and 5 are your medicare and social security wages on your w-2. Box 1, the "taxable income" part can be adjusted for various items like retirement plans and other items.

Typically you can take box three, add adjustments from box(es) 12, and come to box 1.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer
Does anyone have an official link (on irs.gov or something) stating that the employer must mail your w-2 by Jan 31st? My google powers are failing me and my employer is insisting that they can mail them out in mid-february.

AbbiTheDog
May 21, 2007

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

Does anyone have an official link (on irs.gov or something) stating that the employer must mail your w-2 by Jan 31st? My google powers are failing me and my employer is insisting that they can mail them out in mid-february.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw2w3_11.pdf

Page 3, top left. See note about extensions, though.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


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Gary’s Answer

AbbiTheDog posted:

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw2w3_11.pdf

Page 3, top left. See note about extensions, though.

Thanks, hopefully that will rattle their cage enough to actually respond to me in a timely manner.

Orange Sunshine
May 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
My family and I just bought a business, and our accountant tells us that we can take money out of the business, up to the amount we spent buying it, and not have to pay any taxes on this. In other words, instead of taking $50,000 or whatever in salary, we can just take the money back out and not have to pay any taxes on it.

Does this make sense? I have never heard of this before.

Admiral101
Feb 20, 2006
RMU: Where using the internet is like living in 1995.

quote:

My family and I just bought a business, and our accountant tells us that we can take money out of the business, up to the amount we spent buying it, and not have to pay any taxes on this. In other words, instead of taking $50,000 or whatever in salary, we can just take the money back out and not have to pay any taxes on it.

Does this make sense? I have never heard of this before.

What your accountant is describing is a distribution, and yes it makes sense.

That $50,000 is a part of your overall basis. Pretending that that $50,000 is your entire basis in the company, you can distribute $50,000 of the business's cash to yourself without paying tax (because the money you bought the business with is already post-tax).

However, if you distribute that $50,000 to yourself, and your business then loses money, you will not be able to deduct the loss on your tax return because you have no basis. I'm assuming that this business is an S-Corp for simplification purposes.

What you need to know is that profits and property contributions increase your basis in the company, losses and withdrawals decrease your basis. The logic is that your profits are going to be taxed regardless of whether you actually distribute them or not, so taxing them again when you make the withdrawal is effectively taxing you twice.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

I have a tax document question: ETrade is telling my now that they're not going to send out their 1099s (DIV/INT) until Feb 15 when everything I can find says that they're required to send them by the end of January. Last year I didn't get them until almost the end of February and then they sent a correction in late March.

Is there anything I can do (besides switching brokers and I'm working on that)?

AbbiTheDog
May 21, 2007

qirex posted:

I have a tax document question: ETrade is telling my now that they're not going to send out their 1099s (DIV/INT) until Feb 15 when everything I can find says that they're required to send them by the end of January. Last year I didn't get them until almost the end of February and then they sent a correction in late March.

Is there anything I can do (besides switching brokers and I'm working on that)?

Nope. They have the right to file for extensions, and there's not much you can do about it.

They've all seemed to migrate that way anyways. A lot of the other brokerage houses are doing the same crap.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

Lame. Oh well, March is a 3-paycheck month for me so I'll just have that month be a really big spike on my Mint graph.

Rakekniven
Jun 4, 2000
Forum Veteran
I got married in August last year, and I am confused as hell by W-4's.

I'm making about 45k a year. My wife is making about 17k a year. How should we both fill out our W-4's?

furushotakeru
Jul 20, 2004

Your Honor, why am I pink?!

Rakekniven posted:

I got married in August last year, and I am confused as hell by W-4's.

I'm making about 45k a year. My wife is making about 17k a year. How should we both fill out our W-4's?

I sliced open a chicken in order to divine the answer from its guts, and the answer appears to be liver on top of colon. Hope that helps, cause I have no loving idea what that means. :v:

In other words it is impossible to answer that question without a lot more information.

furushotakeru fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jan 18, 2012

pancaek
Feb 6, 2004

sup fellaz
Oh boy. This is the first tax year that I haven't been a freelancer so I have no idea how to deal with the stock I was awarded.

I work for a company that awarded me RSUs and today was the first vesting date. Out of 32 shares that were supposed to vest today, etrade awarded me 18. I'm assuming because the tax rate on the RSUs is 41%.

My question is- where did the other shares go? Did they just get re-absorbed by the company? Did the government take them?

Do I have to pay any additional taxes other than capital gains when I decide to sell the stock?

How on earth do I report this to the government?

Bisty Q.
Jul 22, 2008

pancaek posted:

Oh boy. This is the first tax year that I haven't been a freelancer so I have no idea how to deal with the stock I was awarded.

I work for a company that awarded me RSUs and today was the first vesting date. Out of 32 shares that were supposed to vest today, etrade awarded me 18. I'm assuming because the tax rate on the RSUs is 41%.

My question is- where did the other shares go? Did they just get re-absorbed by the company? Did the government take them?

Do I have to pay any additional taxes other than capital gains when I decide to sell the stock?

How on earth do I report this to the government?

The 'missing' shares were sold to pay your taxes. The taxes withheld as a result will be reported on your W-2 for 2012. You don't have to report the remaining shares at all until you dispose of them.

Orange Sunshine
May 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Admiral101 posted:

What your accountant is describing is a distribution, and yes it makes sense.

That $50,000 is a part of your overall basis. Pretending that that $50,000 is your entire basis in the company, you can distribute $50,000 of the business's cash to yourself without paying tax (because the money you bought the business with is already post-tax).

However, if you distribute that $50,000 to yourself, and your business then loses money, you will not be able to deduct the loss on your tax return because you have no basis. I'm assuming that this business is an S-Corp for simplification purposes.

What you need to know is that profits and property contributions increase your basis in the company, losses and withdrawals decrease your basis. The logic is that your profits are going to be taxed regardless of whether you actually distribute them or not, so taxing them again when you make the withdrawal is effectively taxing you twice.

Thanks for the response. Looks like I'll have to read up on what basis is and see if it makes sense to do this.

Chin Strap
Nov 24, 2002

I failed my TFLC Toxx, but I no longer need a double chin strap :buddy:
Pillbug
In Feb. 2011, I made my first ever backdoor Roth contribution for 2010. This means for my 2010 return I had to send form 8606 saying the 5000 that I put in the Trad IRA was non-deductible. But since it was done in calendar year 2011, the conversion to a roth didn't go on the 2010 form.

Now, for my 2011 form I've done another backdoor roth and converted it both in 2011.

So if I understand correctly, my basis in my Trad IRA for 2010 was 5000, and for 2011 I've then contributed another 5000 and converted it all to a Roth. Does that sound right? Have I screwed anything up?

furushotakeru
Jul 20, 2004

Your Honor, why am I pink?!

Chin Strap posted:

In Feb. 2011, I made my first ever backdoor Roth contribution for 2010. This means for my 2010 return I had to send form 8606 saying the 5000 that I put in the Trad IRA was non-deductible. But since it was done in calendar year 2011, the conversion to a roth didn't go on the 2010 form.

Now, for my 2011 form I've done another backdoor roth and converted it both in 2011.

So if I understand correctly, my basis in my Trad IRA for 2010 was 5000, and for 2011 I've then contributed another 5000 and converted it all to a Roth. Does that sound right? Have I screwed anything up?

That's fine as long as you don't have any other balances in an IRA anywhere

AbbiTheDog
May 21, 2007

Bisty Q. posted:

The 'missing' shares were sold to pay your taxes. The taxes withheld as a result will be reported on your W-2 for 2012. You don't have to report the remaining shares at all until you dispose of them.

Box 12 on your W-2 for 2012 will have a code showing the gain on the stock sales.

You also will get a sales statement from the broker that handled the trade, don't forget to put that on schedule D (and now Form 8949 as well) showing the short term sale, the only loss will be the commission on the transaction. If you forget this step the IRS will send you nasty letters asking for thousands of dollars, so be careful.

furushotakeru
Jul 20, 2004

Your Honor, why am I pink?!

AbbiTheDog posted:

Box 12 on your W-2 for 2012 will have a code showing the gain on the stock sales.

You also will get a sales statement from the broker that handled the trade, don't forget to put that on schedule D (and now Form 8949 as well) showing the short term sale, the only loss will be the commission on the transaction. If you forget this step the IRS will send you nasty letters asking for thousands of dollars, so be careful.

RSUs not ISOs, Abbi.

The withheld shares that were sold to cover never show up on a 1099-B either, that would make our lives too easy now wouldn't it?

Chin Strap
Nov 24, 2002

I failed my TFLC Toxx, but I no longer need a double chin strap :buddy:
Pillbug

furushotakeru posted:

That's fine as long as you don't have any other balances in an IRA anywhere

Excellent. Nope, before 2010 I had done no tax-advantaged savings, and besides the Backdoor Roths the only other tax advantaged account I have is a 401k. Thanks!

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AbbiTheDog
May 21, 2007

furushotakeru posted:

RSUs not ISOs, Abbi.

The withheld shares that were sold to cover never show up on a 1099-B either, that would make our lives too easy now wouldn't it?

Oooh, skipped over that part. Trying to lay off coffee.

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