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What are the odds this whole debacle will be referenced somehow in-comic in one of the next few updates? I'm throwing my purse into the "yes" pile, but that last post seemed like he wanted to be done with it, so it really could go either way. Also it could be a really, really bad idea. Or it could be kind of funny.
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Maybe Hussie should have gone with the handheld edition instead. Then he wouldn't have to deal with the unfortunate implications of "colorless" sprites in a black and white world. Tollymain posted:Anyway, as I was about to say, we still haven't gotten any confirmation on what those damned white winged things in Bro's room are. they are aracial winged things you racist gently caress
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Are we still talking about this? Jesus gently caress. Anyway, as I was about to say, we still haven't gotten any confirmation on what those damned white winged things in Bro's room are. Anybody think what they are will be important in any way anyway? Honestly at this stage in the game I doubt that a bit.
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Pleasant Friend posted:Did "huge bitch" just not concern you? Were Hussie's Wizardology books inoffensive? I'm just curious why this incident is the one you think he needs a talking to about? As far as I know this is the first time he's directly and agressively expressed an opinion about this sort of thing in his work, my general impression was that he'd been ok in the past but now it's obvious that he has a weird blindspot on race in his comic.
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I don't understand why people in this thread are getting angry about talking about this incident, the post on tumblr are 8 and 1 hour old and the topic I think is actually really important.
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Tollymain posted:Are we still talking about this? Jesus gently caress. I would guess they're only important as a contrast to Dave's crows. Who knows how this new crew will prototype their sprites, so they might be less significant. Also, since Dirk is confirmed Prince of Heart, I think doves are rather fitting, don't you?
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The way I'm handling this whole thing is that Hussie isn't perfect, he's just this guy, he's acting privileged right now. I mean there have been all sorts of social justice problems in Homestuck before now, before this race thing was brought up, and that doesn't make Homestuck a terrible work. Nor does it make Hussie a terrible person. He's just being a bit of a flippant dick about it though. While canonically the kids may be "aracial" (despite some flubs in writing), there's certainly some truth in the position that setting his white "blank slate" colors as aracial involves some degree of white privilege. It'd be fine if he acknowledged that and moved on. His original post in which he describes the kids as "aracial" wasn't particularly problematic for me, but I can understand why some people would feel offended by it. Hussie just really handled this situation poorly, and we can acknowledge this and STILL enjoy Homestuck. Just keep it in mind that Homestuck has some problems! Someone on the last page linked an article about this very thing. That basically sums up the position I will be taking. e: VVVVV Supercar summed it up much better than I did! Lupus Rufus fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Jan 17, 2012 |
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annatar posted:I don't understand why people in this thread are getting angry about talking about this incident, the post on tumblr are 8 and 1 hour old and the topic I think is actually really important. I'm pretty sure there are no grand epiphanies to arrive at here. This isn't a racial relations studies class, it's a webcomic discussion thread. I don't want to sift through pages of people covering the same tired retread of "Hussie is racist/insensitive/trolling/whatever" to find actual discussion of the webcomic. Take it elsewhere.
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Again, I think Andrew's position is best summed up as naive, not balls-to-the-wall racist or anything like that. It's naive to assume that just because you wanted to create a group of a-racial characters, you were successful in doing so. It's naive to think that your own idea of how to create racially neutral character isn't going to be tinged by biased and ingrained views of what a "default neutral person" looks like. Getting snotty when called out on it is Not Good Form, and throwing out a "No YOU'RE racist if ______" is Superbad Form. I mean, some characters work better than others as a-racial. Here's a super John-lookin' black dude, hair and all. But if Andrew wanted people to buy Dave/Rose/Roxy/Dirk as even POTENTIALLY non-white, he probably should have made some design choices more abstract than just #FFFFFF. He also could have dropped a footnote to the art team, because I don't think any of us had a clue about this. I myself haven't drawn the human kids much and everything I've submitted has used the b/w scheme, but I can't really fault Lexxy and others for drawing them explicitly caucasian in prints and stuff.
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annatar posted:As far as I know this is the first time he's directly and agressively expressed an opinion about this sort of thing in his work, my general impression was that he'd been ok in the past but now it's obvious that he has a weird blindspot on race in his comic. The only new opinion I've seen Hussie express today is that he feels people who think the kids could not be anything other than white are racist. That's a pretty reasonable stance. Personally my headcanon is all the kids are white. Is Hussie saying I'm racist? No. He's talking about people who are intolerant to other people’s ideas about who the players are.
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snucks posted:let me tell you about white people. This gets me far, far angrier than any Webcomic Racisms.
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annatar posted:I don't understand why people in this thread are getting angry about talking about this incident, the post on tumblr are 8 and 1 hour old and the topic I think is actually really important. Western cultures, and White people in general, generally don't like to talk about race. Race is uncomfortable and messy and has serious real world consequences.
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Pleasant Friend posted:I'm going to be fair let you digest his latest post and make any amendments if you want before I reply. I believe the issue is that, a lot of the time, characters are perceived as white by fans and creators unless there's specific reason that says they're not. Many people think this is unconcsious racism. Andrew said that he never pictured the characters as any specific race, which would be ideal. However, people pointed out one of a few instances where Hussie had actually described the characters as white. When made aware of the contradiction, his first response was to call the other people racist and change the wording of that specific instance to something that could be seen as mocking The problem was more his response to the situation that anything. If he had said that he did accidentally think of the characters as white sometimes, it would have been much less of an issue. The comparison to the "huge bitch" jokes isn't valid. It would be more accurate if Hussie had said that Homestuck had no sexist jokes and, when that joke was pointed out, he had said that other people were wrong for interpreting that as sexist and then changed the page to something that could be interpreted as an insult to people who thought it was a worthwhile issue Supercar Gautier posted:Moss drat, you said it better than me
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Since there have been a billion words written in a frantic haze, it might do everyone good to take a closer look at the original thing Hussie said:The Huss posted:They could be any race too. Note that I am caucasian, and I draw myself orange. I don’t see no orange kids there! Can’t really pin them down as definitively white, though this is likely the widespread presumption. They are canonically a-racial, and elude concrete bodily proportions through diversity of stylistic representation. You decide what they are! The thing you decide is right. Which is, as Gautier pointed out, "naive to assume that just because you wanted to create a group of a-racial characters, you were successful in doing so." Hussie has a pretty well-established pattern of responding to these sorts of questions with a flippant "Anything that doesn't matter to the story is up to you to determine." See the comment about fantrolls being canonized. He made the pretty dumb mistake of treating the super-loaded issue of race with the same aggressive flippancy he has develeoped as a defense mechanism against dumb formspring and tumblr questions, and rightfully deserves to be called on it. Something along the lines of "It's nice that you think that, but you should examine your own privilege and watch your mouth a bit, Andrew." That is, however, not what happened. This is the post that set the shitstorm off: quote:oh come on this race answer is unmitigated bullshit Which, while getting at a very good point, also happens to contain a lot of internet butthurted-ness. It seems to me that Hussie was just giving his standard boilerplate answer to a bad question, not claiming "race-representation cred." And I agree with Hussie that the "indusputably" portion of their claim is wrong. Shortsighted, maybe, but the issue is obviously a sore spot for the offended party. Calling it, itself, racist, and bigotry, is going too far, though- which is something Hussie likes to do, which was incredibly dumb, in this case, for this issue. And then it snowballed, as these things do on the internet, with escalation and bitterness and the one thing that I took away from this more than any other is that tumblr's formatting is not very well suited for conversations with many participants.
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Honestly, I hope this racism thing make some people stop thinking that Hussie is an infallible god. The worship he gets is pretty creepy, and people act like he's some sort of perfect writer and story teller. He's not, and he's made plenty of mistakes in the past (like relying on user commands for too long in Homestuck, the sheer amount of trolls he unleashed on us at once that really didn't do a lot for the plot and the like, the troll shipping stuff, the exiles being very underused in the plot before Act 5 Part 2, the White King could've been killed off much earlier instead of the song and dance with him being exiled, Nannasprite suggesting that there was a previous session with her in it when UU confirmed that there wasn't). I'm hoping that this racism thing will make at least one person look back and say "You know, Hussie's just some kinda-hipster dude that likes making mind-screw plots without completely plotting them out from the start" instead of "OMG THE PERFECT COMIC MAKER EVARRRR". That's not to say I don't love Homestuck's characters, plot and the like; it's just that I don't pretend it's perfect like I've seen some fans suggest.
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Honestly I just hope that Hussie gets some more black, brown, and yellow friends IRL so he can see that yes, he was indisputably portraying 8 white people. Maybe learn how to write non-white people.
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closeted republican posted:That's not to say I don't love Homestuck's characters, plot and the like; it's just that I don't pretend it's perfect like I've seen some fans suggest. This whole thing really emphasized, to me, just how much of a rough draft Homestuck is, and how much the story has changed in these three years. edit: Terror Sweat posted:Maybe learn how to write non-white people. While all the characters are different, they are all based on part of Hussie's personality, or him exaggerating internet stereotypes. He really doesn't know how to write people that are not one-note or part of him. tinaun fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Jan 17, 2012 |
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Tollymain posted:I'm pretty sure there are no grand epiphanies to arrive at here. This isn't a racial relations studies class, it's a webcomic discussion thread. I don't want to sift through pages of people covering the same tired retread of "Hussie is racist/insensitive/trolling/whatever" to find actual discussion of the webcomic. Take it elsewhere. As much as this can be derailed, I'm not sure I can agree with this position. Issues like racism, even if this is not racism, are things that can crop up in a huge variety of places that involve every level of society. Those sorts of issues are fixed by confronting them wherever they pop up, not by taking them to a separate forum. To make what might be an overdramatic comparison, Rosa Parks accomplished what she did by not moving to the back of a specific bus, not by lodging an issue with the city council. Sit-ins worked because they showed everyday people exactly what the issue was, and discussing it in newspaper editorials simply would not have had the same effect
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tinaun posted:This whole thing really emphasized, to me, just how much of a rough draft Homestuck is. I'd love to see the Homestuck books reflect a "revised" version that smooths out the story a bit by getting rid of things like WV's way too long adventures in the Sky Base, adds a little more depth and characteristics to some of the trolls (like make pre-robot Aradia an actual character instead of a living plot device), add some more foreshadowing to things like why Jade constantly falls asleep instead of it being revealed via a simple sentence buried in a long chatlog stating "lol it wuz actually vriska testing her skillz out", then not mentioning it again and tying the Intermission more to to the Troll's session via a few references to it, which would help let people know it is significant to the plot instead of seeming like it's Problem Sleuth 1.5 in the middle of another story.
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closeted republican posted:I'd love to see the Homestuck books reflect a "revised" version that smooths out the story a bit by getting rid of things like WV's way too long adventures in the Sky Base, adds a little more depth and characteristics to some of the trolls (like make pre-robot Aradia an actual character instead of a living plot device), add some more foreshadowing to things like why Jade constantly falls asleep instead of it being revealed via a simple sentence buryed in a long chatlog stating "lol it wuz actually vriska testing her skillz out" and not mentioning it again and trying the Intermission more to to the Troll's session via a few references to it, which would help let people know it is significant to the plot instead of seeming like it's Problem Sleuth 1.5 in the middle of another story. These seem like good improvement suggestions. But with the books already well on their way out despite the story not even being done yet, I dunno how much revision there will be, if any. Maybe if there ends up being a second edition of Homestuck? Also this it totally off-topic but just wanted to say that Showtime (Piano Refrain) is the best possible wake-up alarm sound. It just is.
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closeted republican posted:I'd love to see the Homestuck books reflect a "revised" version that smooths out the story a bit by getting rid of things like WV's way too long adventures in the Sky Base, adds a little more depth and characteristics to some of the trolls (like make pre-robot Aradia an actual character instead of a living plot device), add some more foreshadowing to things like why Jade constantly falls asleep instead of it being revealed via a simple sentence buried in a long chatlog stating "lol it wuz actually vriska testing her skillz out", then not mentioning it again and tying the Intermission more to to the Troll's session via a few references to it, which would help let people know it is significant to the plot instead of seeming like it's Problem Sleuth 1.5 in the middle of another story. I agree with everything here except the bit about the MC intermission. I thought the twist at the end that the whole thing was actually relevant to the story of Homestuck to be brilliant.
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I do think it's a bit disingenuous of Hussie to claim that he depicts Caucasian people as orange, when really its only himself he does that with. All the real world white people depicted in the comic, like Bing Crosby, Eddie Norton, etc. have been grey-scaled to white, rather than Hussie-orange or the more common lightish pink. The effect is that those white people match up with how the kids are shown, whereas the black people depicted in the comic (Snoop Dogg, Dutton, Bill Cosby) are depicted explicitly as brown-skinned, rather than dark-grey or whatever. I also guess its one thing for him to say, "Oh that time John called Bro (and by extension Dave) white didn't really mean anything" but that kind of attitude just seems... dismissive? Like he can say all the little things don't really count but there are a lot of little hints and clues that point to the characters being white (maybe Hispanic/Asian for the Prospit dreamers at most). He might think of the characters as a-racial, but he really hasn't given the audience any reason to think so other than his word. Like could Dave/Dirk be black? Sure, but most of their supporting characterization is that of a white person who's appropriated bits of black culture. Considering them as black trades that interpretation for one that I think is much worse- I mean, they live in a lovely apartment, obsessed with rap/mixing, no parents, settle disputes with violence, brother produces pornography, etc. When they're white its ~ironic~ and just a part of the comic, but if they're black? Those details take on a whole new meaning. although I like that there is discussion going on here, I really really hope this doesn't reach dickwolves levels of terrible and I think we can all agree on that
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Terror Sweat posted:Honestly I just hope that Hussie gets some more black, brown, and yellow friends IRL so he can see that yes, he was indisputably portraying 8 white people.  It's comments like this that make me side with Hussie. I always assumed that people thought the kids were white exclusively due to the fact that they are literally the color white. Like, covered head to toe in White Out white. But their behavior? Their quirks? I don't see how any of it is race-exclusive. Of course I don't want to  by asking what about them makes them so white or what changes could be made to make them not-so-white. Then we get into stereotypes and racism. And nobody wants that.
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This reminds me of when I found out that noted giant of literature George R. R. Martin was an absolute colossally fat fucker who hated his fans. I am distraught that the author of the only webcomic I can stomach is actually some kind of bizzarre triple reverse a-racial racist, how will I deal with these new developments
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Ammat The Ankh posted:I agree with everything here except the bit about the MC intermission. I thought the twist at the end that the whole thing was actually relevant to the story of Homestuck to be brilliant. I'm thinking more about the intro and pre-Snowman sequences, where there seem to be almost zero relevance to the story as a whole at first. I think people would be more eager to read through it the first time if it was evident that it tied into the greater story from the very start. I'm sure I'm not the only archive reader who thought it was a complete slog and skimmed through it as fast as possible at first, partially because it didn't seem to have any relevance to the adventures John and co. were going through or the game universe they were in. It'd probably dampen the effect of the ending, but I'd rather have a story that ties into everything from the start instead of a last-minute "holy poo poo" moment after going through an overly-confusing and boring story that popped out of nowhere.
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Mr. D Bewildering posted:
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I'm not saying that there aren't general culture differences between various groups of people, but we're discussing individuals here. An individual can be pretty much any personality, completely independent of their race.
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Mr. D Bewildering posted:
He's drawn all of them white for three years without comment - four of the kids are blonde. By contrast the Trolls have consistently been depicted darker (and violent / mentally unstable, which is itself not great) and the whole blood thing has class & racial significance. The human kid's home cultural settings are white middle / upper class without any sign of something from outside of the white culture, except for Dave and Bro, where as someone pointed out, race changes the meaning of whats happening in there dramatically. It's not reasonable for him to try to shout down as racist people pointing out that he has been drawing an all white human cast. I think Hussie has been naive and this series of posts have been been needlessly offensive, and posting publically the stuff he has the way he has with a large fanbase that skews young and adores him isn't helpful. That said I'm still gonna read his webcomic because its a good read, theres just bits that are unintentionally troubling.
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Mr. D Bewildering posted:
He's indisputably portraying 8 people who act pretty much like white people. You're correct that that's not the same thing as portraying white people, though, and that's really the crux of Hussie's flip-out. To what extent is it a bad thing when black/brown/yellow people assimilate into white culture? I think we can generally agree that cultural eradication is A Bad Thing and I personally greatly admire people who keep up dying cultural traditions, but how much of a personal obligation do members of other races/cultures have to resist assimilation? Are assimilated people of nonwhite ethnicity not worth portraying? I dunno. These are questions that I am not even remotely qualified to answer. I would certainly be interested in hearing a more informed opinion, though. annatar posted:By contrast the Trolls have consistently been depicted darker (and violent / mentally unstable, which is itself not great) and the whole blood thing has class & racial significance. I'm not really sure there's a right answer on this one. If he had used that same tone of gray skin for the kids as a neutral "aracial" skin tone, and gave the trolls lighter skin--with their vastly superior personal abilities and more advanced civilization--would that have been better? I'm starting to think he really should have just gone nuts with using colored silhouettes based on each character's individual color. He's certainly used it to excellent aesthetic effect before, but what if it was the standard mode of depiction? Aracial and visually striking! the holy poopacy fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Jan 17, 2012 |
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Terror Sweat posted:No, I don't agree with that. I don't believe it would be culturally impossible or even improbable for anyone black/asian/Caucasian/etc to fit the circumstances of any of the houses in the comic. What's wrong with thinking Jade being not white? She grew up on an island, what experience does she even have with other people, let alone cultures? annatar posted:He's drawn all of them white for three years without comment - four of the kids are blonde. Except for the same commentary that he has had all along, which is they are “aracial”. This is not a new position. Pleasant Friend fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Jan 17, 2012 |
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annatar posted:By contrast the Trolls have consistently been depicted darker (and violent / mentally unstable, which is itself not great) @Gabriel Pope: I don't mean any offense when I say this (I truly don't), but your entire post has me completely confused and bewildered  I'm not sure I parsed anything from it. At least, not in the context of Homestuck.
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Not to totally undermine the current topic (definitely think it's important, just don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said more eloquently), but this kind of got lost in the last page or so:NO LISTEN TO ME posted:I felt like making something more soothing, and this happened. I actually really like where this is going! I kind of see the Feferi connection; sounds a bit like certain underwater themes with more of a melancholic tone.
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Pleasant Friend posted:Except for the same commentary that he has had all along, which is they are “aracial”. This is not a new position. Aracial means absolutely nothing. There is not a single human character anywhere that is aracial. Please don't treat race like it is something that can just be ignored.
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Mr. D Bewildering posted:@Gabriel Pope: I don't mean any offense when I say this (I truly don't), but your entire post has me completely confused and bewildered Sorry, was doing kind of a sloppy job of addressing both your and Terror Sweat's lines of posting at the same time. To whit: Terror Sweat posted:This is an okay thing to do. It's alright to want to learn and understand the differences between different cultures. Don't treat race like it's not there, that's almost as bad as blatant racism. Terror Sweat posted:Are you kidding? Like do you seriously not know the difference between white suburbia and black suburbia? Different races have vastly different experiences, and MSPA is reflective of a white one. Sometimes the differences aren't so vast, though, especially for Hispanic/Asian-Americans. It's pretty blatantly obvious that the kids are all products of white suburbia, but that doesn't say much about their race except maybe "probably not very black." I'm speaking strictly on an individual level here--obviously taken as a class the differences are still vast, but not everyone who's born as a non-white ethnicity is going to be subject to all of them. the holy poopacy fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Jan 17, 2012 |
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I don't have much of complexity to say and this post is gonna be pretty unfocused but I think Terror Sweat is on the money insofar as the kids read really, really white--their pop culture references are largely touchstones of mainstream culture, and in an institutionally white supremacist country like the United States, "mainstream" means "white" and tends to shove stuff like hip-hop (admittedly Dave's interest and also admittedly rooted more in class issues than racial ones although of course those intersect pretty frequently) to the periphery. There's also a socioeconomic privilege that comes with whiteness that is pretty well-exemplified by where at least two of the kids live and/or the demographics thereof--John's house in suburban Washington and Rose's home, a nice-rear end house in upstate New York. John and Jade could be Asian, actually, I'm willing to accept that, but garbled correction aside Dave (and consequently Rose, Dirk, and Roxy) are pretty unambiguously white, although I think that'd be much easier to see for a person of color. (Full disclosure: I'm a white dude trying to work my way close enough to the periphery so that I can see when something codes white.) I think it's really difficult to create characters whose experiences apply across all races simply because people of color experience things white people never will and I think Hussie displayed a degree of colorblindness that comes with his White Dude Privilege. That said, I also think he means well so I hope someone has a talk with him about this so he can learn from his mistakes. Pretzel Rod Serling fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Jan 17, 2012 |
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Terror Sweat posted:Aracial means absolutely nothing. There is not a single human character anywhere that is aracial. When it is not an important factor to the story it is something that can be ignored. "Aracial" means the reader can believe the characters in the story are whatever the ethnicity they think of them as. There is canon no defined race (Note, I'm note saying Hussie did a very good job and writing this irrelevant faccet of the story (to be fair this is a work longer that most great novels and I’ve only seen two possible slip ups)). If you dispute these characters are aracial you'll have to convince people that these characters in the story could not have the ethnicity of any other race but Caucasian. I think you'll have a tough sell; it’s a stretch of the imagination to think of them as black, but no way impossible.
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Pleasant Friend posted:Except for the same commentary that he has had all along, which is they are “aracial”. This is not a new position. But we only have Hussie's word that they are a-racial, which isn't really backed up by their depictions. They all have light skin and Dave and Rose have light hair. Nobodies going to look at them and think, "oh, they are abstract representations that could be of any racial background", they're going to think that they're white. Especially when the actual black people in homestuck are brown. If you add in their backgrounds and characterization the overwhelming interpretation is white people in white culture (or a white person's interpretation of black culture). Like Rose and Mom have a very upper-class, WASP type set-up going. Now, some people may draw a connection to the Chinese 'Tiger-mom' idea or whatever it is, and that's valid, but then its revealed that they are natural blondes and an explicit parallel is drawn between them and two white movie characters. At that point really the only way you could consider them non-white is to ignore the source material, which is totally unreasonable for Hussie to expect.
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closeted republican posted:Honestly, I hope this racism thing make some people stop thinking that Hussie is an infallible god. The worship he gets is pretty creepy, and people act like he's some sort of perfect writer and story teller. He's not, and he's made plenty of mistakes in the past (like relying on user commands for too long in Homestuck, the sheer amount of trolls he unleashed on us at once that really didn't do a lot for the plot and the like, the troll shipping stuff, the exiles being very underused in the plot before Act 5 Part 2, the White King could've been killed off much earlier instead of the song and dance with him being exiled, Nannasprite suggesting that there was a previous session with her in it when UU confirmed that there wasn't). I'm hoping that this racism thing will make at least one person look back and say "You know, Hussie's just some kinda-hipster dude that likes making mind-screw plots without completely plotting them out from the start" instead of "OMG THE PERFECT COMIC MAKER EVARRRR". I actually see a bit of the opposite of this sometimes, with surprising frequency. I hear some people who have opinions about the comic, and like to give them more weight by claiming that their issues were "Because Hussie isn't a perfect writer and makes mistakes" rather than "Something happened that I just didn't like". I recall seeing an argument a while back that someone was complaining about something dumb like how they thought all the trolls should have gone God Tier or something, and when people said that was dumb and things were fine as they were, they said "Hey, Hussie's not perfect, stop sucking his dick, he's not a professional writer, he makes mistakes.  "Also no less than three people who blamed Tavros's death on "bad writing".
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Midnight Raider posted:I actually see a bit of the opposite of this sometimes, with surprising frequency. I hear some people who have opinions about the comic, and like to give them more weight by claiming that their issues were "Because Hussie isn't a perfect writer and makes mistakes" rather than "Something happened that I just didn't like". My post was addressed more to the Tumblr and MSPaint Adventures forum crowd, who seem to think of Hussie as perfect, tend to stalk him and are creepily obsessed with photoshopping his in-comic sprite everywhere. Around here, yeah, we know he's not perfect, but this forum's a bit more rational about Homestuck than your average Tumblr Homestuck fan.
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