FreelanceSocialist posted:

Anyone plan on discussing or refuting the points in that? Memes aren't very effective against people who actually believe that stuff.

PiCroft posted:

Given how huge this thread is, I haven't verified if this has already been posted, but:


This was on a forum, not emailed to me, but it originated from an email.

Bombadilillo posted:

Never mind "she" also advocated dig-a-hole-fill-it-in jobs that the right loving hates but its ok because in this case you have some hatred behind it.

tek79 posted:

Also, looking online a tubal legation costs between $1,500 and $6,000 to perform. And reversal around $6,000. So a woman going on food stamps who eventually finds a job and does want to have kids one day would cost the taxpayer around $12,000

Sarion posted:

Plus, tubal legation reversals aren't even close to 100% effective. A significant number of women will never be able to have children in this scenario.

PiCroft posted:

Given how huge this thread is, I haven't verified if this has already been posted, but:


This was on a forum, not emailed to me, but it originated from an email.

Cynnik posted:

I thought that government jobs were not real jobs?

PiCroft posted:

Given how huge this thread is, I haven't verified if this has already been posted, but:


This was on a forum, not emailed to me, but it originated from an email.

baw posted:

Unless they are in defense or oil.

PiCroft posted:

Given how huge this thread is, I haven't verified if this has already been posted, but:


This was on a forum, not emailed to me, but it originated from an email.

FreelanceSocialist posted:

Anyone plan on discussing or refuting the points in that? Memes aren't very effective against people who actually believe that stuff.

quote:

Wow, this girl has a great plan! Love the last thing she would do the best!

This was written by a 21 yr old female who gets it. It's her future

she's worried about and this is how she feels about the social welfare big

government state that she's being forced to live in! These solutions are

just common sense in her opinion.

This was in the Waco Tribune Herald, Waco, TX, Nov 18, 2011

quote:

PUT ME IN CHARGE . . .

Put me in charge of food stamps. I'd get rid of Lone Star cards; no cash

for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho's, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans,

blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want

steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.

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Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I'd do is to get women

Norplant birth control implants or tubal legations. Then, we'll test

recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine. If you want to reproduce or use

drugs, alcohol, or smoke, then get a job.

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Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks?

You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair.

Your home will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be

inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your

own place.

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In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week

or you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways

of trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you.

quote:

We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo

and speakers and put that money toward the "common good.."

quote:

Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realize that all of

the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules.

quote:

Before you

say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self esteem," consider

that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing

absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem.

quote:

If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at

least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system

rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.

quote:

AND While you are on Gov't subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes,

that is correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will

voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Gov't

welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job.

Now, if you have the guts - PASS IT ON...

Countblanc posted:

I don't really know where else to post this, and it's come up a few times recently for me and I don't have a good answer; do the higher ups in conservative parties actually believe what they preach? Not just the president or senators, but representatives and speakers for the parties you see on CNN and the like, if someone says "decreasing taxes on the wealthy fosters growth," are they aware of what they're saying being proven wrong time and time again, or do they usually believe that rhetoric?

Countblanc posted:

I don't really know where else to post this, and it's come up a few times recently for me and I don't have a good answer; do the higher ups in conservative parties actually believe what they preach? Not just the president or senators, but representatives and speakers for the parties you see on CNN and the like, if someone says "decreasing taxes on the wealthy fosters growth," are they aware of what they're saying being proven wrong time and time again, or do they usually believe that rhetoric?

Deuce posted:

Since when is frozen pizza some loving luxury? It's about as luxurious as having that refrigerator that is a sign of wealth these days.

Sarion posted:

You're right, it wasn't that long ago. It was today. Talk to anyone you know who is on Food Stamps (if you actually know any). Ask them how they feel every time they have to pull out that Lone Star card at the grocery store. Shame is very much alive and well.

Sarion posted:

Poor people should only eat rice and beans, clearly

Deuce posted:

Since when is frozen pizza some loving luxury? It's about as luxurious as having that refrigerator that is a sign of wealth these days.

Deuce posted:

Since when is frozen pizza some loving luxury? It's about as luxurious as having that refrigerator that is a sign of wealth these days.

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When I First Heard Someone Say, “Wow, Did You See That “Flub” By Texas Governor Rick Perry In The Debate When He Could Only Mention Two Of The Three Government Agencies That He Wanted To Do Away With, When He Gets To Washington“? Can You Believe It ? …. To Which I Thought, Finally Someone Who Is Not Superficial, Speciously Rehearsed And Coached Of Exactly What To Say. He Showed That He Is Human And Not That Different From Any Other American.

The Current Skilled Purveyor And Chief Who Has To Read Nearly Every Word That Comes Out Of His Mouth, Because When He Does Not Use His Teleprompter, Has Shown That Not Only Can He Not Speak Without Flubs But He Can Not Keep The Truth And Facts Straight Either.

Now There Is This Fear That Mr. Obama Would Dominate And Prevail In Any Debate Against Governor Perry, But I Submit That Governor Perry’s Perceived Weaknesses Are Exactly What Are Going To Be His Strengths As The Nominated G.O.P. Candidate.

While Some Extreme Conservatives Have Dropped Governor Perry Like A Hot Potato After Hearing A Flub Or Some Slanted Media Opinions Of His Positions On The Following Issues, They Fail To Realize Governor Perry’s Great Potential With These Same Issues, When Placed In A Head To Head Candidacy Against Obama.

First, Let’s Take The Concern Or Perception Of Governor Perry Not Being A Great Public Speaker, Even If He Is Not Considered The Great Orator (That Excels In Speaking Without Taking Any Action), Governor Perry Is A Realist That Tells It Like It Is And Then Gets The Job Done And His Record As Governor Of The Great State Of Texas Proves This Same.

Next, Let’s Take The Governor’s Stance On A Complete Border Fence Across The Entire United States And Mexico Border. His Position That No Complete Fence Is Realistically Required Will Save Americans Millions Of Dollars And His Opponent Can Not Argue With Him Without Offending The Hispanic Voters Or Suggesting That In A Time Of United Financial Crises, That America Should Spend More Money Than Already Included In The Current Inflated Budget.

Next, Let’s Take The Governor’s Stance On Prevention Of Illegal Immigration. Since Governor Perry Is From Texas, He Has First Hand Knowledge Of This Issue And Its’ Effects In All Aspects Of The Civil Obligations Of The Citizens And Immigrants.

Again, His Opponent (Obama) Can Not Argue With Him Without Offending The Hispanic Voters, Nor Can He Suggest That He Has More Knowledge Or Experience With These Issues And Certainly He Has No Proven Record Of Any Success Of Addressing These Issues But On The Contrary The White House Does Have A Record Of Greatly Ignoring Them Until A State Is Forced To Take Legal Action On Their Own And Then The Federal Government Takes A Stance Against The State, Rather Than The Problem.

Because Of The Effects Of Illegal Immigrations And The Massive Drug Flow Across The Borders, Not Only Impacts, Primarily The Border States But Secondarily, They Are Felt In Every Single State Of The United States. Therefore, More And More Enforcement Agents Are Required To Combat These Issues Not Only In Those Border States But Also In Other States.

One Way To Stem These National Issues Would Be A Plan To Expand The Border Enforcers With Either Volunteer Or Appointed Officers From Each Of The (50)Fifty States That Would Be Utilized In The Highest Effected Border Areas And Would Operate Under The Authority Of The Border Agency Already In Place But Each Volunteer Or Appointed Officer Would Still Be Funded From His / Her Respected State In An Effort To Share The Costs Of The Border Agencies Increased Man Power (Boots On The Ground) And This Would Inevitably Lead To Lesser Costs At The State Level.

The Number Of Volunteer Or Appointed Officers Could Possibly Be Correlated To The Electoral College Map Or Upon The Costs Of The Individual States On Their Current Programs Dealing With These Issues Within Their State.

Next, Let’s Take The Governor’s Stance On Allowing In-State Tuition For The Children Of Illegal Aliens Or Undocumented Workers. The Opposition’s Assertion That This Is Some How A Magnet To Draw Illegal Immigrants Is Absurd, Because It Would Imply That Someone Enters This Country Illegally With The Intent To Live And Work In America For Many Days, Months And Years In Constant Fear Of Deportation, Just So One Day Their Child(ren) Upon Graduation From A Texas High School Can Save Some Money When They Go To A Texas College.

The Opponents Usually Have Issue With These Texas State High School Graduates Paying A Lesser Tuition Than Others Who Do Not Live In The State Of Texas That Come To A Texas College, Rather Than With The Issue Of Their Status Of Citizenship.

Thus, This Premise Infers The Opponents Complaint Is That Because These Are Children Of Law Breakers, They Are Not Entitled. Why Then, Do These Same Opponents Not Take Issue With Every Texas High School Graduate, Who Is A Child Of A Criminal Or Convict, Receiving In-State Tuition?

Should Not These Same Opponents Be More Concerned About The Children Of Illegal Aliens Or Undocumented Workers That Drop Out Of School Or Those Who Do Not Go To School Or College At All, Because These Are The Ones, Who’s Chance Of Becoming A Productive Citizen, Is Potentially Diminished.

Furthermore, If The Government Is Willing To Offer A Visa To Foreigners Who Purchase A House / Property In America, Why Would It Not Be Open To A Child Who Is Investing In An American College Education With The Intention Of Working And Being A Productive Citizen In America?

Next, Let’s Take The Governor’s Stance On The Texas Implemented State Requirement Of Medical Treatment (Shots To Prevent Cervical Cancer In Young Girls) Of Which Parents Of Any Young Girl, Was Allowed To Opt Out From This Treatment If So Desired.

The White House Has No Way To Object To Or Oppose This Position Without Contradiction To Their Own Imposed Health Care Law, Which Does Not Allow For Opting Out, Except To A Very Few Of Which Seem To Be Closely Related To The Democratic Party Or Supporters Of The Current Administration Which Have Been Given Permission To Be Favored And Not Subject To This New Law.

Next, Let’s Take The Governor’s Stance On His Past Support A Democrat Candidate. Unlike Mr. Obama, Governor Perry Has Served Both Sides Of The Proverbial “Political Isle” Thus This Gives Him The Ability To Not Only Speak About Bipartisanship But To Actually Understand Both Points Of View And The Ability To Seek Out The Correct Position, No Matter From Which Side The Solution Comes.
In Addition, As Shown On The State Level Governor Perry Did Not Divide The Parties But Rather He Has The Proven Ability To Lead Both Sides Into A Consolidation Or Unity For The Greater Good, To Get All Of America Working Again, Like His Proven Record For The State Texas.

Next, Let’s Take The Governor’s Stance On His Belief “In GOD We Trust”, While Obama Thinks This Is Inconsequential, Because There Are More Important Issues. Governor Rick Perry Has Already Demonstrated His Position Of Priorities With His Waiting Until After His Scheduled Events On The Day Of Prayer Before Entering The Republican Race For President, Because Governor Perry Understands That There Is Absolutely No Issue, That Is More Important Than, “In GOD We Trust”.
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Have You Been Hearing The Latest Arguments Between Potential Republican Presidential Nominees Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich And Rick Perry Concerning Capitalism?

Gingrich And Perry Are Being Crucified Because They Feel That When Romney Was Practicing His Version Of Capitalism That It Was Wrong For Mitt Romney And His Former Employer “Bain Capital” To Invest In Troubled Companies And Then Take Out, In Some Cases, More Than Six Times Their Initial Investment And Leave Those Companies To File Bankruptcy And Fail.

Pro Romney Supporters, As Well As The Opposition To Gingrich And Perry Are Saying This Puts Newt Gingrich And Rick Perry On The Side Of The “Occupy Wall Street Protesters” As Well As, In Agreement With The Liberal Left.

As Much As It Pains Me To Say This, If This Was The Real Position Of The “Occupy Wall Street Protesters” As Well As, Truly In Agreement With The Liberal Left, I Too Would Support Their Position.

Please Don’t Faint And Let Me Explain. What Is Being Discussed, Is NOT What Some Of The “Occupy Wall Street Protesters” And Liberal Left Are Proclaiming As The Capitalism Of Which They Oppose.

As Made Clear Time And Again, Some Liberals And Protesters Are Against Free Market Capitalism In The Sense That, You Who Work Hard And Become Financially Successful Are Obligated To Share Your Success (Of Which They Equate To Wealth) With Everyone, Because You Couldn’t Possibly Have Had Succeeded Without Others Helping You Along The Way.

This Is An Argument Of Which I Am Completely Opposed. Of Course Others Help You Along The Way. These Are Usually Called Service Or Product Providers, As Well As Consultants And Employees, Most Of Whom Were Already Paid Or Being Paid For Their Contributions To Your Success. Just Because You Have Ever Been A Tax Payer In America, Does Not Entitle You To A Portion Of Another’s Success.

However, The Issues Of Capitalism Being Discussed Between Potential Republican Presidential Nominees Are Not Objections To Free Market Capitalism But Objections To The Morality Of What Has Been Termed As “Vulture Capitalism”.

Of Course Many Of Those Great Wise Elected Officials And Media Personalities Say, This Is So Complex To Explain, That The Average Voter Will Not Understand It. So They Simply Class The Two Versions Together And State If You Are For Or Against One, Then You Must Be For Or Against The Other. This Is Typical Spin To Muddy The Waters And Confuse Any Who Might Not Understand, These Are Two Very Different Principals.
The Most Obvious Difference Is Free Market Capitalism Is More Friendly To The Average “Middleclass” Americans. All Americans Are Allowed To Take Personal Risk And Start Personal Businesses, Which Are Allowed To Flourish Or Fail, Based On Decisions Those Entrepreneurs Are Free To Make.

However, That Which Is Termed “Vulture Capitalism” Is More Friendly To The Wealthy Or Wealthiest Americans, While Preying Upon The Free Market Capitalist. This Is Why You Will See Mostly The Millionaires And Billionaires Trying To Equate These Two Principals And Seeking To Silent Any Discussions Of Explaining The Obvious Distinctions Between The Two.

If You Are Unconvinced Of A Major Difference Between These Two Principals Both Labeled As Capitalism, Consider This…

When A Company Is Experiencing Financial Difficulty, They Usually Have An Established Relationship With Local Banks Or Financial Institutions From Which They Have And Can Borrow(ed) Money Or Maintain(ed) A Line Of Credit But These Are Exactly The Same Type Of Companies That “Venture” (Vulture) Capitalist Companies Seek Out To “Partner With“.

The Reason I Use The Term “Partner With” Is Because With A Bank Or Other Financial Institution You Only Borrow Money (Secured Or Unsecured) With An Agreement To Repay The Loans Which In Times Of Extreme Financial Difficulty, You Are Protected Under Bankruptcy Laws Established To Allow For Restructuring To Save Your Company.

However, With The “Venture” (Vulture) Capitalist Companies They Seek To Obtain A Part Of Your Company, Sometimes A Majority Ownership Portion, In Exchange To Provide Needed Cash To These Same Companies In Their Financial Difficult Times.

These Investment Companies Then Executively Take Over Or Oversee Structure And Operations Of Those Desperate Companies And Make Decisions Concerning Those Same, Which Will Affect Any Or All Employees Of Those Same.

If You Think This Is A Good Thing To Relinquish Such Power And Authority To These Investors For Their Investment, Consider Their Main Obligation Is Not To Those Companies Of Which They Are Invested But To Their Investors.

Therefore, Not If, But When Critical Decisions Are Made, They Are Not Primarily To The Advantage Of The Company And Its’ Employees But To Protect And Produce A Maximum Return For The Investment Company’s Investors.

Do You Really Believe That These Wealthy Investors And Their “Venture” (Vulture) Capitalist Investment Companies Really Have Experts In Place, For Every Field Of Business For Which They Invest?

Do You Really Believe That There Are Never Wealthy Investors Who Hold Stock In, Or Possibly Even Own Or Work For Competitors Of The Businesses Of Which Their Investment Companies Are Investing?

Do You Really Think It Is Always In The Best Interest Of These Wealthy Investors And Their “Venture” (Vulture) Capitalist Investment Companies For The Companies In Which They Invest To Succeed?

If You Answered Yes To Any Of These, Please Ask Yourself Why Then Would These Investors’ Representatives Which Are Placed In Decision Making Positions In The Companies Of Which They Have Invested, Then Seek To Take Out Loans Under The Companies Names And Leverage The Company Sometimes To The Extent Of No Return And Then Pull Out Their Initial Investment Plus “Earned Revenue” Leaving Behind Only A Carcass Of The Original Company.

No Investment Company Should Ever Authorize Taking Out Loans In The Invested Company’s Name, They Should Simply Invest More Of Their Own Money, To Share In The Risk And Reward Of That Company.
After All, A True Investor Makes An Investment To Share In The Risk And Reward Of Their Investment And They Are Not Guaranteed The Return Of Their Initial Investment With Guaranteed Earned Revenue Before Any Other Debts Are Paid.

Of Course, This Discussion Has Been Concerning The Financial Side Or This Issue But You Must Consider The Human Side Of The Same, Because It Is Obvious, That “Venture” (Vulture) Capitalist Investment Companies Do NOT.
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Presidential Nominees Mitt Romney Is Exactly What Has Been Described As A “Washington - Wall Street Insider“. His Continual Claim That He Is An Outsider And Not A Career Politician Is Only Partially True. His Work In The Private Sector Was Until The Early 1990’s When He First Ran For Political Office In Massachusetts And Then Again For Another Office Of Which He Was Elected And Served With Which Many Would Describe As A Non-Conservative Attitude And Now He Is Running A Political Campaign For President For The Second Time, So His Assertion That He Is Not A Career Politician, Could Actually Be Rephrased As He Has Rather Been A Politician Campaigning, Mostly Unsuccessfully, To Be Elected To An Office For More Than Two Decades.

Of Course, Now He States That He Only Agreed With Those Non-Conservative Views Because Many In His State Held Non-Conservative Views And He Had To Forego His Personal Convictions To Accommodate Those Same. Apparently As President He Feels That He Will Never Have Interactions Or Negotiations With Any Who Hold Non-Conservative Views Because Now He States He Holds Conservative Positions And Will Not Compromise Them This Time.
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Let’s Talk About Morals And Maturity For A Moment. As We Grow Up, Our Morals Should Be Instructed And Demonstrated By Those Who Raise Us And We Ultimately Will Personally Decide If We Will Adhere To These Same Or Choose To Deviate From Them. On The Other Hand Maturity Is A Continuance Of Self-Educating And The Consumption Of Facts And / Or Opinions In Order To Continue To Grow In A Position Of Something.

Now With These Two Principals In Mind, Consider Closely The Incumbent And Presidential Candidates And Their Personal Beliefs And Backgrounds. While Switching Political Parties Could Easily Be Construed As A Maturation Process, The Decision To Switch Positions On An Issue Such As The Right To Life, Is Clearly A Moral One.

Furthermore, Consider Closely The Moral Turpitude Of The Incumbent. First And Foremost, Imagine The Absurdity Of Raising Between Half A Billion And A Billion Dollars To Buy Your Way Into A Job That Pays Less Than One And A Half Million Dollars And Now This Same Is Seeking To Do It Again. Do You Really Think This Person Has An Interest Or Inclination In Saving You Money Or Much Less The Ability Or Where-With-All To Even Do So. In Addition, What Does This Tell You About The Lengths That This Same Will Go To With Other People’s Money In Order To Achieve His Personal Desires.

Secondly, Consider The Continued Immoral Decisions And Flagrant Hypocrisies Committed By This Administration. Just Recently They Were Seeking To Pass An Executive Order To Make It Legal To Lie To The Public Concerning The Freedom Of Information Act. Of Course This Was Not To Allow Them To Lie Because They Obviously Have No Problem With Doing That On A Regular Basis, It Was To Allow Them To Not Be Held Legally Accountable When Caught In Their Lies.

You Might Incorrectly Assume From This Observation That This Author Is Completely Pro-Republican And Anti-Democrat But This Is Not The Whole Truth. I Believe In Truthfulness And Righteousness And Oppose Deceitfulness And Ungodliness. I Believe That A Republic Is Suppose To Allow Godly People To Elect Godly Representatives To Govern Under The Nation’s Laws Established Under Judeo - Christian Morals And Values As A United Nation Under GOD.

Furthermore, I Believe That A Democracy Is Based On The Belief That Man Is And Should Not Be Subject Unto A GOD Or Godly Laws, But Instead Man Is Able To Govern Their Own Selves And That All Are Equal If Godly Or Not And Should Have Equal Say In All Matters.

This Has Led To A Greater And Greater Divide In American. This Is Not To Say That All Democrats Are Evil Or That All Republicans Are Righteous Or Vice Versa But There Truly Is A Profound Distinction Between Good And Evil. There Is A More And More Pronounced Difference Between Those Who Seek To Do Good And Remain Respectful And Pay Their Own Way Through Life And Those Who Seek To Do What So Ever They Want Even Without Respect For Others And Desire Others To Pay For Their Way Through Life Also, As If They Are Owed Something.

If This Distinction Is Made Along Republican And Democratic Party Lines, The Contest For Proving Which System Is Survivable And Which Is Terminal Can Easily Be Determined. There Is A Way To Allow The Democrats To Have Each And Every Wealth Sharing Program That They Propose And Give Out All The Handouts To All Those Who Desire Them As They See Fit And At The Same Time Allow The Republicans To Make Tax Cuts And Institute A Friendly Job Creation Environment. Just Let The Democrats Pay For Their Programs From The Taxes Collected From Their Democratic Constituents And Let The Republicans Utilize The Tax Receipts Collected From Their Republican Constituents As They Desire.
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When Right And Good Is Compromised Even Unto The Slightest, It Is The Commencement Of The Commensurate Erosion Of Those Same… K.E. Youngblood

Silence In The Face Of Evil Is Itself Evil: GOD Will Not Hold Us Guiltless. Not To Speak Is To Speak. Not To Act Is To Act… Dietrich BonHoeffer.

By Changing Nothing, Nothing Is Changed. By Saying Nothing, Nothing Is Said And By Doing Nothing, Nothing Gets Done… K.E. Youngblood

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

This one made my head hurt:

703 posted:

This came off of facebook so I guess it works for this tread.. anyways, I don't get it, whats it trying to point out. I had one conservative friend post it and it got thumb's up'd by about every other conservative person I know

Nuclearmonkee posted:

There Is Blood Coming Out Of My Ears.

myron_cope posted:

How Do You Type Like This It Has To Be Extremely Time Consuming And How Does The Person, Writing It Not, Realize That It's Hard, To Read? drat Liberals !

quote:

from facebook
If i am working to help pay for millions of people on welfare, then i should be able to claim all of them on my taxes this year.

Riptor posted:

every word. literally every goddamned word is capitalized

703 posted:

This came off of facebook so I guess it works for this tread.. anyways, I don't get it, whats it trying to point out. I had one conservative friend post it and it got thumb's up'd by about every other conservative person I know

myron_cope posted:

How Do You Type Like This It Has To Be Extremely Time Consuming And How Does The Person, Writing It Not, Realize That It's Hard, To Read? drat Liberals !

703 posted:

703 posted:

This came off of facebook so I guess it works for this tread.. anyways, I don't get it, whats it trying to point out. I had one conservative friend post it and it got thumb's up'd by about every other conservative person I know