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I expected the Shamed Ones to play a bigger role in the downfall of the Vong. Having a Nom Anor lead galaxy wide slave revolt that crippled the Vong and let the GA come in and be all bad rear end with lasers and lightsabers would have been 10x better than a planet showing up and a bunch of seed-pot star fighters that didn't actually fire at anything.
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Nom Anor's antihero arc in the last few books is easily the second best part of NJO (other than, you know, Traitor) and is probably among the highlights of Star Wars EU in general. Really, the amount of irony that goes into his character through the entire series (including Traitor, hey there's that book again) goes a long way to making NJO worth reading (but not quite enough, in the end). Cross-posting this from the Tiny Tower thread in Games: quote:One of my tenants is a "Kevin Anderson" whose dream job is the Game Store, and frequently posts to Bitbook about how he's a big deal. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Jan 17, 2012 |
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McGann posted:I dunno, I'm 1/3rd of the way through it (Just started Part II) and I rather like Plagueis. But you're right - I'm definitely more interested now that Palpatine is in it. Just wait until the end where you find out what an utter chump Plagueis actually was.
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Big feature story on Papa George in the New York Times Magazine this week. Most of it's about Red Tails, but I thought you might "enjoy" this part.quote:REVENGE OF THE FANBOYS http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/magazine/george-lucas-red-tails.html?pagewanted=all&src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB
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I wonder if ESB is still Lucas's least favorite, when its almost universally everyone elses favorite.
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Mister Roboto posted:How sad. Lucas just doesn't get it, nor do the fans get his point of view. I think everyone gets his point of view, they just see it for the unreasonable, immature nonsense it is. Lucas refuses to see film making as a collaborative effort, and stubbornly ignores the fact that outside input was what made the first three Star Wars movies good. George Lucas is a hell of an idea man, but he needs storytellers and film makers to temper him, otherwise you get the juvenile, unfocused mess that is the prequel trilogy.
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Can't say I feel sorry for Lucas. Most of the "fanboy wailing" would stop if he could just release the original films (in a decent version) along with the Special Editions. I really don't care if he wants to ruin his old films, as long as the originals are still easily available somewhere. They're not, so he can go gently caress himself.
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draize_train posted:Can't say I feel sorry for Lucas. Most of the "fanboy wailing" would stop if he could just release the original films (in a decent version) along with the Special Editions. I really don't care if he wants to ruin his old films, as long as the originals are still easily available somewhere. They're not, so he can go gently caress himself. Exactly. Put out a plain, feature-free version of the originals. I'd not only buy that, but I'd buy the damned specials too. I want the extra features and not everything was bad about the enhancements. But if he's going to condemn the originals to movie purgatory, no go.
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Go watch the RLM review of the last Indiana Jones and understand why George Lucas could have made it a whole lot worse if given complete creative freedom and not been tempered by Spielberg.
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People also forget the era Lucas developed in as a filmmaker - "The American New Wave" which gave kids several millions and complete creative control and ultimately creating the new formula of success for Hollywood to take back the reins with : the blockbuster. I sort of see Lucas as being somewhat bitter that he'll never really have that freedom to be creatively expressive again. However you look at the other successes of that era, Spielberg, Coppola, Scorsese and they've all been able to explore their styles and still manage success which really paints Lucas has having quite an insular view on filmmaking. Lucas talks about expecting Star Wars to be a total flop and then when it unexpectedly became a hit it seems he's taken it literally as "this is the only way I can make a success of myself" and fell into that groove. So when all his other friends go from hit to flop and develop their craft. Spielberg notes how humbling 1941 was for him having come off the success of Jaws and Close Encounters, being in one screening where the only laugh was right at the start when the submarine was approaching the girl. And with Red Tails there's this odd discord with pushing Anthony Hemmingway to direct the film in the tone of a pulp war comic (and a trilogy!) as it's just another throwback to his love of the 40's that he watched when he was ten, wishing to be a pilot - but sadly couldn't because he discovered he was diabetic. No wonder why he gets all cut up when fanboys don't want to play make believe with him - shirking away muttering "you just don't get it...how can I make you understand?".
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quote:George Lucas has announced his retirement from the movie business. Source: http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/18/george_lucas_calls_quits_on_blockbuster_career/ Apologies if this has been posted already, but woah I really did not see this coming at all, I never expected him to actually acknowledge the complaints about any of his movies - let alone retire! Anyone able to decipher the meaning behind any of his 'guys on the internet' quotes? Seems all kinds of  to meGuess we can finally pack it in! *cue ewok celebratory music* Edit for source
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I like that he says that he's retiring from blockbuster movies after Red Tails, but still plans on doing Indy V. Anyway, I call BS on it. For years he kept saying that once the prequels were done he was going to return to "art-house indie films" and that obviously hasn't happened. If anything I think he'll do Indy V as his last movie but keep focusing on Star Wars prequel TV shows.
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Yeah that is kinda confusing - sounds quite a bit like he's finally caught the RLM reviews of the prequels and is now having a sulk/and or taking his bat an ball home cause of all the mean things the kids have said. Maybe he's just having a bit of a vent. That being said, he shouldnt do Indy V at all...ever
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quote:“I’m saying: ‘Fine. But my movie, with my name on it, that says I did it, needs to be the way I want it’.” Wow, those credits were short. John Williams must have made a 0:02 second song because that's how short the credits must have been at the end of the Star Wars films.
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I like how his interpretation of events is, "Fans are just like movie studios, they won't let me become a beautiful butterfly," instead of, "when I'm given complete creative control I tend to churn out poo poo nobody likes." Poor George, wants so badly to be the kind of auteur director who can both realize a vision and please audiences. Everything about his film career indicates his best work was created when outside forces were keeping his dumbass ideas in check.
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His response is astonishingly juvenile. It would be one thing to say, "Hey, I earned the money, I'm paying the entire budget for the prequels, I got done what I wanted done and I'm sorry if you didn't like it," that would be one thing. Instead, he basically is saying that if you don't like him, he's taking his ball and going home.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:George obviously has some sort of personality disorder. He sounds like almost every big website admin/webcomic artist/youtube celebrity reacting to criticism.
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I hate Lucas' point about the movies still being his. It's like he wants to take the "publish" out of "publishing".quote:Anyway, I call BS on it. For years he kept saying that once the prequels were done he was going to return to "art-house indie films" and that obviously hasn't happened. If anything I think he'll do Indy V as his last movie but keep focusing on Star Wars prequel TV shows. I think this retirement is just a publicity stunt to promote Red Tails as the last movie George Lucas ever made.
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Grendels Dad posted:I think this retirement is just a publicity stunt to promote Red Tails as the last movie George Lucas ever made.
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WebDog posted:He was only the executive producer on it - that is he provided the chief financing for the project. Didn't he do a bunch of reshoots after he drove the original director off with too much meddling?
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404GoonNotFound posted:Didn't he do a bunch of reshoots after he drove the original director off with too much meddling? That would be ironic.
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404GoonNotFound posted:Didn't he do a bunch of reshoots after he drove the original director off with too much meddling? Pickups are pickups, a few shots here and there to sand over bumps. But reshooting whole scenes usually is indicative of the studio not being happy with something. The film's getting trashed as it's turning out to be not much more than your cliched war film with flat characters.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ezeYJUz-84 A complete remake of Star Wars, done in 15 second increments by hundreds of different people in different media. This will probably be the last interesting Star Wars thing ever released.
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WebDog posted:Hemmingway was booked out for Treme so Lucas stepped in to do reshoots - I do wonder if we figure out what they were as the headlines scream "oh they were pickups" to "he's reworking the whole film!" It was one giant cliche. I love WWII air movies so I was ready to give this a lot of slack but it's seriously bad. The writing is terrible, the sole purpose any line not delivered by one of the main characters (and even a lot of their lines) is to quickly spell out stuff for apparently the audience of rocks they expect to watch this. The lines the bomber crews had were the worst. "Those dang fighter pilots always fly away when the jerries show up" "Hey, these pilots are black!" "Hey, they didn't fly away when the jerries showed up". Terrible writing.
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Scruff McGruff posted:is to quickly spell out stuff for apparently the audience of rocks they expect to watch this. Lucas said he made the movie for black teenagers. Between this and Jar Jar....well, draw your own conclusions on George's opinion of black people.
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:Lucas said he made the movie for black teenagers. Between this and Jar Jar....well, draw your own conclusions on George's opinion of black people. "I sort of know Billy Dee Williams and Samuel L Jackson, I am now the expert of the culture and history for an entire race! Give me your money!"
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404GoonNotFound posted:Didn't he do a bunch of reshoots after he drove the original director off with too much meddling? I don't know if this was the case with Red Rails, but the prequels had extensive reshoots built into the schedule. He clearly knows he loving sucks.
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Show I watch the Clone Wars show? I have not seen any of it so I would, of course, be starting from the beginning.
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Trump posted:I don't know if this was the case with Red Rails, but the prequels had extensive reshoots built into the schedule. There were reshoots? God, imagine the originals.
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:Lucas said he made the movie for black teenagers. Between this and Jar Jar....well, draw your own conclusions on George's opinion of black people. Hes trying to impress his black girlfriend.
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TOOT BOOT posted:There were reshoots? God, imagine the originals. I assume because there was so much CGI and they had barely a clue how it'd look until they'd recorded the actors, rendered the CGI and mashed it all together. Makes sense, really, if that's the way you're making the film. It's a dumb way to make a film, of course.
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ezeYJUz-84 90% of that was painfully nerdy, but the other 10% was either so cute or so clever it made me watch the whole thing.
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omg car crash posted:Show I watch the Clone Wars show? I have not seen any of it so I would, of course, be starting from the beginning. Depends...do you like blocky CGI animation, simplistic and repetitive plots, Hutts with offensively stereotyped flamboyant gay personalities, an annoyingly 'fesity' teen girl self-insertion character, and lots of Jar-Jar and Jar-Jar-esque antics?
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Anyone else here feel that Galen Marek doesn't get enough love? He's so drat overpowered that I actually find it fun to watch his canon-bending use of The Force.
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Chairman Capone posted:Depends...do you like blocky CGI animation, simplistic and repetitive plots, Hutts with offensively stereotyped flamboyant gay personalities, an annoyingly 'fesity' teen girl self-insertion character, and lots of Jar-Jar and Jar-Jar-esque antics? You forgot the long and boring arcs involving galactic senate politics. Although, any plot arcs with a certain bounty hunter are pretty great.
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The actor who plays Marek is cool, and he did pretty well in TFU, but goddamn did it seem like he phoned it in for TFU2.
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