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ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Etherwind posted:

Clutch?

Clutch has been evolving their sound pretty slowly from album to album (except for their really early stuff where they were much closer to being a hardcore punk band (no, really)). If you like their recent work, just start at the latest album and work backwards. That said, my favorite album of theirs by far is Pure Rock Fury, and that's not a bad place to start at all.

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LtTennisBall
Apr 5, 2009

StrungOutFlip posted:

The cure?

Disintegration is where I started and is an absolutely fantastic album.

Farts Domino
May 8, 2004

StrungOutFlip posted:

The Get Up kids?
Don't touch their newest album

Get Four Minute Mile for more sloppy emo-punk
Get Something To Write Home About for a more indie sound

From there it's hit or miss.

Clovis Sangrail
Feb 18, 2011

StrungOutFlip posted:

Buckethead? This guy has a shitload of albums

I'd say Colma and Electric Tears, but people with a deeper knowledge might disagree, I have only heard a handful of his albums.

HateTheInternet
Dec 19, 2004

He just put the kibosh on me, do you know what the kibosh means, it's a kibosh!

StrungOutFlip posted:

Buckethead? This guy has a shitload of albums

A lot of Buckethead sounds the same, to be honest. If you want more chill/relaxed, try (as previously recommended) Colma, Electric Tears, or Acoustic Shards. If you want frantic shredding, try Population Override or Kaleidoscalp. If you want more of an electronic sound, try Day of the Robot, Funnel Weaver, or Bermuda Triangle.

I'd stay away from Bucketheadland, Bucketheadland 2, and Giant Robot until you get more familiar.

strap on revenge
Apr 8, 2011

that's my thing that i say

StrungOutFlip posted:

Buckethead? This guy has a shitload of albums

I'd honestly say start with The Elephant Man's Alarm Clock. On the whole it's the most enjoyable for me, and probably one of his more accessible - only a couple of songs are shredding nonsense.

Songs like Lurker at the Threshold, Final Wars and Baseball Furies are some of my favourites by him. It's a dark album but it has some really funky stuff on there (like Oakridge Cake).

strap on revenge fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Jan 21, 2012

screaden
Apr 8, 2009
What about the moody blues? I really like Nights In White Satin but that's about as far as my knowledge goes

Blast Fantasto
Sep 18, 2007

USAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Voodoofly posted:

Anthology is a good starting point, as was stated below. In the alternative, I really only listen to their first three albums anymore, and there is nothing wrong with going in order. I think you can debate whether People's Instinctive . . . or The Low End Theory is their best album, but really if you like Tribe you should have both, as well as Midnight Marauders.

Midnight Marauders and Low End Theory are their best albums.

People's Instinctive... has a few good songs, but is way too immature lyrically and production-wise to hang with those two.

Voodoofly
Jul 3, 2002

Some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help

Blast Fantasto posted:

Midnight Marauders and Low End Theory are their best albums.

People's Instinctive... has a few good songs, but is way too immature lyrically and production-wise to hang with those two.

Those are my two favorites as well, but I was always under the impression that I had a minority view on tribes albums. Good to know midnight marauders gets more love.

Rubber Biscuit
Jan 21, 2007

Yeah, I was in the shit.
Grateful Dead anyone? Shamefully, i've only heard Franklin's Tower, which is boss.

StrungOutFlip
Mar 17, 2009

Alright guys, lets shoot the stars...ohhh you just killed every star!
Sweet. Thanks guys

hexwren
Feb 27, 2008

Rubber Biscuit posted:

Grateful Dead anyone? Shamefully, i've only heard Franklin's Tower, which is boss.

The Dead are a highly schizoid group and need to be approached in two directions---the Dead in the studio and the Dead live---and even then, different lineups and eras have their own particular ins and outs. I know there are Dead scholars who will often scoff at the choices of the uninitiated---and I'm nowhere near enough initiated that I won't get scoffed at. However, I will take a crack at maybe giving you some entry points.

More often than not, people will say that their live work is of more import than the studio, and I agree with this to a certain extent---sometimes hearing the studio versions of songs will let you get used to their flow and structure so that you can then follow how the band is expanding on them in the live setting. Some of my favorites don't change much moving from one setting to the other, some do. (My all-time favorite [Eyes of the World] doesn't much, beyond the solos getting longer.)

Somewhere between live and the studio, your best probable starting point is Europe `72. It's sorta an obvious starting point for many, like saying to start with Floyd by listening to Dark Side, but it's still a very good one. Purportedly a live album, but subject to a number of studio overdubs, these sins of veracity can be forgiven because at that point in time the band was absolutely on fire, and the tracklisting is basically impeccable. Well, almost. I have weird tastes in Dead material, so there's actually a number of my favorites that just aren't on that record. Oh, well. It remains a good starting point, and I emphasize starting point.

From there, while opinions vary as to what lineups and albums are best, they do not often vary as to what is best avoided. Reductive logic then suggests you can start anywhere else. (Okay, maybe I'm rambling now, I was filming on location all goddamn day today and I am not mentally all here.) A major thing to consider when examining live albums is that while the Grateful Dead certainly changed how live albums are viewed, shifting from studio-doctored compilations of material from the breadth of a tour to meticulous recordings of complete shows to supplement the show-focused bootlegs, their live albums can often be of either type. Before buying a record, check up on it, see if it has a particular date or dates on it.

It's generally safe to start with obvious picks from the Dead; if you like what you hear there, you can start to examine material that goes farther out into space. Franklin's Tower appears on the Blues For Allah LP, which appears fairly late in what's generally considered the group's classic period (which is to say the late sixties into the seventies---the song is from 1975), so you may want to dabble with that material first, BFA and the albums just before and after (From the Mars Hotel and Terrapin Station respectively), but you'll certainly want to move backwards in time from there to the aforementioned 'obvious picks.'

I imagine the Dead scholars in the thread have enough material here to skewer me on quite thoroughly, so I shall leave it at that for the moment. If I'm forgetting things, I merely beg forgiveness.

Nut Bunnies
May 24, 2005

Fun Shoe

StrungOutFlip posted:

The cure?

Most will say Disintegration (one even has!) but I started with The Head on the Door and I think that's the best starting point. Go from there to Wish. I think that's about enough, but if you want more you should check out the albums from before HotD.

LtTennisBall
Apr 5, 2009

Nut Bunnies posted:

Most will say Disintegration (one even has!) but I started with The Head on the Door and I think that's the best starting point. Go from there to Wish. I think that's about enough, but if you want more you should check out the albums from before HotD.

I think I may have actually started with Pornography, now that I think about it. In the end I think it depends on the kind of sound you're looking for: albums like The Head on the Door and Pornography are darker and harsher post punk records, while albums like Disintegration, Wish, and Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me are poppier and lean more towards alt rock. Pretty much all of their albums are great, though I haven't listened to much of their more recent stuff.

Pomplamoose
Jun 28, 2008

LtTennisBall posted:

albums like The Head on the Door and Pornography are darker and harsher post punk records

The Head on the Door is pretty catchy and accessible. It's their most consistently good pop album IMO. I would start with The Head on the Door and Greatest Hits (not the acoustic one). A lot of people say Disintegration but that's overly long and has boring songs between the good ones, and best songs from that album are on compilations anyway. If you want a more comprehensive overview of their discography then get the compilations Staring at the Sea, which covers their earlier stuff, and Galore, which covers their later stuff.

Wyatt
Jul 7, 2009

NOOOOOOOOOO.

Rubber Biscuit posted:

Grateful Dead anyone? Shamefully, i've only heard Franklin's Tower, which is boss.

First, what Allen Wren said.

Secondly, you probably ought to grab at least of couple of early studio albums. Based on their live show alone, it's probably hard to see the folk/bluegrass/country roots that underpin their earlier work. My favorites are Workingman's Dead and American Beauty. Those would give you some exposure to their early sound and a handful of their better known songs.

DaFuente
Nov 23, 2003

puppeh
I've been listening to a lot Dale Earnhardt Jr. Jr lately. I really like the way they mix ambient stuff with harmonies and traditional instruments. Beyond their LP and the 2 EPs, what other bands that do this sort of thing should I be checking out?

Rubber Biscuit
Jan 21, 2007

Yeah, I was in the shit.

DaFuente posted:

I've been listening to a lot Dale Earnhardt Jr. Jr lately. I really like the way they mix ambient stuff with harmonies and traditional instruments. Beyond their LP and the 2 EPs, what other bands that do this sort of thing should I be checking out?

Off the top of my head, Active Child's album You Are All I See, which came out last year, might be worth checking out. Features great use of the harp alongside electronic instruments and the man has a falsetto to kill for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3WdgBLFhD4

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

I think Spokes does something like what you are looking for as well.

LtTennisBall
Apr 5, 2009

Tre Past Cool! posted:

The Head on the Door is pretty catchy and accessible. It's their most consistently good pop album IMO. I would start with The Head on the Door and Greatest Hits (not the acoustic one). A lot of people say Disintegration but that's overly long and has boring songs between the good ones, and best songs from that album are on compilations anyway. If you want a more comprehensive overview of their discography then get the compilations Staring at the Sea, which covers their earlier stuff, and Galore, which covers their later stuff.

My mistake, I looked at the year and figured it sounded more like their early stuff.
e: yeah the main fault of The Cure is how loving long their records can be. Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me has some awesome stuff but it's over an hour long and really hard to trudge through. I have no experience with the compilations but thinking about it I'm sure it'd be a better starting point, so listen to these dudes and not me.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

Pound Trooper!
Last.fm has been trying to get me to listen to Built to Spill for like 5 years. Fine! Help them help me.

Pomplamoose
Jun 28, 2008

wellwhoopdedooo posted:

Last.fm has been trying to get me to listen to Built to Spill for like 5 years. Fine! Help them help me.

Start with There's Nothing Wrong with Love and just go in order from there.

Etherwind
Apr 22, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 38 days!
Soiled Meat
How about Elbow?

I saw them once, a long time ago, when they were a warm-up act for Muse... at the time I didn't think much of them. Recently I heard "Grounds for Divorce" and I'm thinking that maybe I misjudged them.

Not An Irish Monk
May 1, 2009

Etherwind posted:

How about Elbow?

I saw them once, a long time ago, when they were a warm-up act for Muse... at the time I didn't think much of them. Recently I heard "Grounds for Divorce" and I'm thinking that maybe I misjudged them.

"The Seldom Seen Kid" is fantastic and really shows all their sides in top form. You have the rockers like "Grounds for Divorce" and "The Bones of You", the sweeping epics like "The Loneliness Of A Tower Crane Driver" and "One Day Like This", some darkness in "The Fix" and "Some Riot", and then of course their elegant form of pop elsewhere. Their latest album "Build A Rocket Boys!" also displays a very enjoyable variety, but the material is a little stronger on TSSK.

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Mos Def? A Tribe Called Quest? Common?

hexwren
Feb 27, 2008

With Mos Def, start with "Mos Def and Talib Kweli Are Black Star"---both MCs do heavy lifting on the record, but it's certainly a career highlight for both. Tribe got covered a page or two back, I think. I've not really listened to much of Common's stuff, so I won't take a risk on steering you wrong.

ThaGhettoJew
Jul 4, 2003

The world is a ghetto

Sandwolf posted:

A Tribe Called Quest?

I think it's been brought up before, but the most appreciated albums are easily Low End Theory and Midnight Marauders. The latter of which probably sold a bit better due to the popularity of Award Tour as a single, but they are both considered classics of the genre. After that I'd go back to the first album, People's Instinctive Travels And The Paths Of Rhythm for the first songs that got them famous and then on to the still good but a bit uneven later stuff Beats, Rhymes and Life and The Love Movement. They tend to get a bit jazzier and more serious as they get chronologically later, so you can sort of generally use that as a guide.

And if you get a hankerin' for more from their solo stuff, Q-Tip's (later Kamaal The Abstract) is good on the whole if a bit spare, while Phife's one disc is pretty much terrible.

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

Where to start with Fugazi?

flirty dental hygienist
Jul 24, 2007

All aboard the knuckle train to FIST PLANET!!

Davincie posted:

Where to start with Fugazi?

Repeater and 13 Songs.

Not An Irish Monk
May 1, 2009

Davincie posted:

Where to start with Fugazi?

Chronological order. Hearing how they transform and adjust their sound album to album is pretty awesome, and they never made anything even mediocre.

Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

Not An Irish Monk posted:

they never made anything even mediocre.

This is true, although we may not be looking at it quite the same way.

Voodoofly
Jul 3, 2002

Some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help

Sandwolf posted:

Mos Def? A Tribe Called Quest? Common?

Hey Sandwolf! Here is what I posted on Mos Def earlier in the thread.

Voodoofly posted:

In my opinion:

Mos Def: Really hard to go wrong with either Black Star or his first solo album Black on Both Sides. If you put a gun to my head, and said you were interested in Mos Def specifically, I'd say go with Black on Both Sides simply because you get more of a range of the styles Mos was experimenting with (for better and for worse). I consider both albums classics, though, so if you like Mos at all you will probably get both. After that, people are split on his second solo album (The New Danger). I think it has its moments, but it is definitely worth saving for the end of the journey. Stay the everloving gently caress away from his third solo abomination True Magic. Seriously, stay far, far away. However, The Ecstatic is a really strong album - perhaps his best top to bottom. It is also a great introduction to more modern hip hop trends, and to Madlib's production style as well (he is all over the album), which would fit into your third question.

For Tribe, I agree with Low End Theory and Midnight Marauders, and after those checking out their first album (People's instinctive . . . ) which still has some great songs.

For Common, I don't know all of his albums that well, but Like Water For Chocolate is my favorite from what I've heard. I'm pretty sure it is considered one of his best albums, or at least it was at one point.

HateTheInternet
Dec 19, 2004

He just put the kibosh on me, do you know what the kibosh means, it's a kibosh!

DaFuente posted:

I've been listening to a lot Dale Earnhardt Jr. Jr lately. I really like the way they mix ambient stuff with harmonies and traditional instruments. Beyond their LP and the 2 EPs, what other bands that do this sort of thing should I be checking out?

Definitely Local Natives. Dale Earnhardt Jr. Jr.'s album gives me major Local Natives vibes, especially Simple Girl and An Ugly Person on a Movie Screen.

Airplanes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUc7LPRzJc0
Cards & Quarters - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JWYzX81ZPA

HateTheInternet fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Feb 8, 2012

Rubber Biscuit
Jan 21, 2007

Yeah, I was in the shit.
George Duke and Brian Jonestown Massacre?

Fun Times!
Dec 26, 2010
Umphrey's Mcgee
moe.
Widespread Panic

All supposedly great jam bands, but they all have so much stuff I don't know where to start with any, be it studio or live albums.

Another Person
Oct 21, 2010

Rubber Biscuit posted:

Brian Jonestown Massacre?

Either try Their Satanic Majesties' Second Request, or Methodrone. They are what did it for me with that band.

I would even suggest the Tepid Peppermint Wonderland compilation album of theirs as a good starting point for them, as it would give you an idea of scope, but the previously mentioned two are some of their best work.

gobbles
Oct 15, 2005

wellwhoopdedooo posted:

Last.fm has been trying to get me to listen to Built to Spill for like 5 years. Fine! Help them help me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6omZ5GsuGrI

They have a lot of music but this one is always a classic. Unfortunately every time I see them live they never play it. There's Nothing Wrong With Love, Keep it like a Secret, and Perfect From Now On are my favorites.

wellwhoopdedooo
Nov 23, 2007

Pound Trooper!

GangStalkedPapi69 posted:

They have a lot of music but this one is always a classic. Unfortunately every time I see them live they never play it. There's Nothing Wrong With Love, Keep it like a Secret, and Perfect From Now On are my favorites.

Yeah, I'm definitely getting more into them, it's just slow going because the variances are really subtle, so it all starts to sound the same. I know there's a lot of depth, it's just hard to pull out.

That said, I'm loving:

The First Song
Hazy
Nowhere Nothin Fuckup
Car
Cleo
I Would Hurt a Fly
Velvet Waltz
Untrustable Pt 2
Carry the Zero
You Were Right
Conventional Wisdom

and lots of others I'm probably forgetting.

whooping crane
Feb 12, 2012

wellwhoopdedooo posted:

Last.fm has been trying to get me to listen to Built to Spill for like 5 years. Fine! Help them help me.

I would start with Perfect From Now On. I think it's their most impressive album; it's noisy pop at it's finest and really put the group in the ranks of other '90s alt giants like Pavement, Dismemberment Plan, Mercury Rev, and Modest Mouse. If you like that then I would move on to the two albums chronologically sandwiching it, Nothing Wrong with Love (as someone else already suggested) and Keep It Like A Secret. Here's the first track from Perfect From Now On just to see if you like the general sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb1RlzyWHm4


Shamefully, I've never heard Fripp outside of Kanye's sample on "Power," where do I start with King Crimson?

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hatelull
Oct 29, 2004

You might just start with In the Court of the Crimson King and then move forward until you get bored.

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