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VorpalFish posted:AMD has been kicking rear end for a long, long time now, at least with regards to graphics. It's funny, because there's truth to it, yet the Steam survey shows NVIDIA ahead in share by a decent margin. Maybe a lot of people still think it's the drivers 
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How did my comment about the fact that a new Nvidia card being faster than the 7970 isn't a big deal and is just maintaining status quo turn into this? I am mostly agreed about ATIs driver deficiencies however, especially on the linux side but that's another can of worms.
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Jan 20, 2012 19:27
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Man, we have all these opinions and nowhere to put them besides the Internet.
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Jan 20, 2012 19:28
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Longinus00 posted:How did my comment about the fact that a new Nvidia card being faster than the 7970 isn't a big deal and is just maintaining status quo turn into this? It was 'cause you said "on top" rather than "has the fastest single GPU card."
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Jan 20, 2012 19:33
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Factory Factory posted:Man, we have all these opinions and nowhere to put them besides the Internet. The axiom of shooting the bull online has been exposed. 
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Jan 20, 2012 20:38
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Lets not forget Tseng Labs, Diamond Pro, or or
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Jan 21, 2012 01:40
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PowerVR is in the game, still.
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Jan 21, 2012 01:42
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:What's baffling to me is that there were basically no custom 7970s at CES. AMD must have really rushed this launch if partners are so far behind. I really want to see custom cards after seeing how far my reference design goes with overclocking. I've been itching to get a 7970, but the reference blowers always seemed way too loud for my taste. Anandtech reviewed the semi-custom XFX 7970, but it didn't impress me that much, especially with it being louder at idle (but much quieter under load). Since nothing was shown at CES, think it'll be a while before the other manufactures will have their custom coolers?
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Jan 21, 2012 02:57
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syzygy86 posted:Since nothing was shown at CES, think it'll be a while before the other manufactures will have their custom coolers?
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Jan 21, 2012 03:21
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Who made the Kyro? Or was that a company? Also, my first graphics card upgrade was a Matrox Millenium to play Simcity 2K  Oh and original SLI? 2 Voodoo 2's yeah.... GLQuake 1024x768
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Jan 21, 2012 04:50
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Dogen posted:Who made the Kyro? Or was that a company? My first 3D card was a voodoo banshee. It died and got replace by an abomination that S3 poo poo out. The 3D demo included with the card dragged it down to a slideshow.  I think XGI attempted to be a thing at one point too with the Volari line. Didn't last long IIRC.
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Jan 21, 2012 06:09
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grumperfish posted:Kyro was a PowerVR part. For some unknown reason to me, before I joined my company, the Volari Z9 was chosen as the GPU for the platform (Single-board PC). Granted they run mostly headless, so maybe it was the cheapest choice or something that could deliver basic VGA output.
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Jan 21, 2012 17:17
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grumperfish posted:Kyro was a PowerVR part. oh Banshee I remember looking at that, and thinking it was poo poo hot, back when I was at school. 2D AND 3D all in one card?
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Jan 21, 2012 18:05
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grumperfish posted:My first 3D card was a voodoo banshee. It died and got replace by an abomination that S3 poo poo out. The 3D demo included with the card dragged it down to a slideshow. Pretty much just gently caress the entire Virge family of chipsets in general
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Jan 22, 2012 13:29
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Setzer Gabbiani posted:Pretty much just gently caress the entire Virge family of chipsets in general I had an S3 Virge. haha, it sucked. I actually SOLD it though, so I guess it can't be all bad. I remember playing Half-Life in software rendering because the card just wouldn't support it. What's the point?
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Jan 22, 2012 17:49
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The joke at the time was that the S3 ViRGE was the worlds first graphics decelerator, and it was true. From what I remember, however, the S3 Savage cards were actually pretty decent.
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Jan 22, 2012 18:28
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frumpsnake posted:The joke at the time was that the S3 ViRGE was the worlds first graphics decelerator, and it was true. S3TC (texture compression)! They were decent low-end cards that had some driver issues. They were huge in the consumer PC market and even got used in laptops. If I remember right it was a pain in the dick to deal with in Linux for a long time.
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Jan 22, 2012 18:36
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S3 ViRGE were pretty much good for 2D acceleration only, which used to matter then.
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Jan 22, 2012 18:41
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Oh the days of picking out a Matrox 2D card for the ultimate pairing with a Voodoo.
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Jan 22, 2012 20:46
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Those whole days were crazy. No real standards for what feature set a 3D card would need to support, no standard API for coding for them. All the games with lists of what specific cards they'd support. I never had a ViRGE, but my first non-used computer had a Trio64 up until I upgraded to a Matrox Mystique. Which was another one of those "incomplete" 3D cards, but at least came with an optimized version of Mechwarrior 2. Later, the Voodoo 2.
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Jan 22, 2012 20:58
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I think every video card maker on the planet had their own optimized version of Mechwarrior 2
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Jan 22, 2012 21:01
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Factory Factory posted:PowerVR is in the game, still. In the mobile sector, they practically are the game.
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Jan 22, 2012 21:25
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WhyteRyce posted:I think every video card maker on the planet had their own optimized version of Mechwarrior 2 Pretty much. But it was one of the rare "free game with video card purchase!" cases that I got much play out of.
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Jan 22, 2012 21:29
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Since we're talking about old cards, some guy on overclockers managed to get his hands on a Voodoo 5 6000 prototype and modded the hell out of it: http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=697952 
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Holy balls, I've never seen such a setup... PCIe to AGP, with the greatest 3Dfx card of all time, overclocked... with a 5GHz 2600K. That's madness, but in the best kind of way. Edit: wait a minute, he even swapped out the RAM for faster RAM. that is some fierce dedication. Aw, but the AGP adapter goes through PCI first. Wonder if that's hurting it.. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Jan 22, 2012 |
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Jan 22, 2012 22:31
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Its a 66mhz PCI slot. Shouldn't be too bad.
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I remember thinking I was pretty hot poo poo as a kid when I took the heatsink for a K6-2 and superglued it with some thermal paste to a Voodoo3 2000, then flashed it to a Voodoo3 3000 clocked at 180Mhz, that lasted me for years 3DFX nostalgia aside, they still pretty much dug their own grave. Their constant safezoning of staying a generation behind in a world where AA and T&L are no longer experimental features just to stay cheap would've guaranteed that Xbox - the video card ©HardOCP - would've flopped hideously. See also: the S3 Savage
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And in the cruelest tradition of irony, PowerVR's SGX mobile chips absolutely crush the relatively disappointing GeForceULP portion of Tegra 2/3.
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Nostrum posted:And in the cruelest tradition of irony, PowerVR's SGX mobile chips absolutely crush the relatively disappointing GeForceULP portion of Tegra 2/3. PowerVR saw the light 15 years ago. Everything after that up until now was them just playing possum 
WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Jan 24, 2012 |
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Jan 24, 2012 01:22
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I remember playing EverQuest on an S3 Virge part back in the days when I had a bunch of low-end video cards. Everything was untextured, shiny white and some polygons were clearly in the wrong place. Kelethin was pretty impossible to navigate, though I should have taken some screenshots of that winter wonderland. Later I tried EQ on a Savage 4 and some of the textures got severely hosed up, the shopkeeper's face tiled over the wall behind him 
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nftyw posted:I remember playing EverQuest on an S3 Virge part back in the days when I had a bunch of low-end video cards. Everything was untextured, shiny white and some polygons were clearly in the wrong place. Kelethin was pretty impossible to navigate, though I should have taken some screenshots of that winter wonderland. I broke my x850pro days before it came out and ended up having to play the game via Oldblivion (highly unstable shader hack). I'm not sure if the numerous artifacts were from Oldblivion itself, or if it was the 9000pro backup card being extremely overclocked (v1 ultra cooler - hell yeah), but it was like watching a giant spider dance around the screen. Played the hell out of the game despite it though. 
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grumperfish posted:Oldblivion (highly unstable shader hack) 
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Holy poo poo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK1ykw6qXhk&feature=related Ran about that speed too. Fortunately ATI replaced the GPU (this is when they still shipped their own house-branded cards) even though I made it clear that I broke it, so I finally got it back in time for me to get bored of the game.
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Setzer Gabbiani posted:I remember thinking I was pretty hot poo poo as a kid when I took the heatsink for a K6-2 and superglued it with some thermal paste to a Voodoo3 2000, then flashed it to a Voodoo3 3000 clocked at 180Mhz, that lasted me for years 3dfx pretty much doomed themselves when they decided they took the utterly retarded decision of making themselves the sole supplier of 3dfx cards and giving away the entire OEM market to Nvidia on a silver platter. Not to mention when TNT1 already had respectable 32-bit color 3D performance and their response was a 16-bit color only Voodoo3 because 16-bit was "good enough" and 32-bit was "too slow".
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Overclockers.co.uk has posted some benchmarks/info on the 7950 FWIW, $399 price point is not really working for me, 7970 seems to be the right buy still. http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18366789
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Jan 25, 2012 20:25
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Holy gently caress AMD clean up your driver releases. As of last week this was the situation:
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Jan 25, 2012 23:42
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AMD's FY11 earnings report is out, and there will be a company strategy meeting next week.
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Nvidia's started the trash talking already so I guess that must mean there's a sizable number of early adopters jumping ship to 7970. Hopefully by the time the next Fermi comes out (article says March-April timeline) AMDs yield will be good enough for them to start lowering prices.
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Longinus00 posted:Nvidia's started the trash talking already so I guess that must mean there's a sizable number of early adopters jumping ship to 7970. Hopefully by the time the next Fermi comes out (article says March-April timeline) AMDs yield will be good enough for them to start lowering prices. What a crock. Come on then, show us some Keplers, dammit! Also, what the gently caress NVIDIA. You essentially skipped 3xx series, now you're skipping 6xx series entirely? Seems like they've caught the Firefox/Chrome bug where you have to constantly increase the numbers like it gives you personal deep pleasure to see a bigger initial integer.
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Yeah, but what if they're being completely honest and just don't want a repeat of Fermi where it's totally hand-to-mouth from fab to partners? That's a legitimate reason to not rush to market, especially after the TSMC process problems. ATI has had kind of a hard time getting them out there, too, though obviously they've got every reason to crack whatever kind of whip they can to set up as many people with a 7970 or 7950 as they can before competition for the high end starts in earnest again. As far as the "we expected more from [this generation of ATI]" bit, treat it like marketing unless you have a vested interest one way or another - but ATI has already proved that you can make a card at least as good as the 7970, there's nothing stopping nVidia from making a better one. Whether they have or not, we'll see. (If they did I am totally buying it)
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