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I dunno, I'm not sure Cheney ever made bush look *good*. but overstein does rule in a "Nooo stop it you monster!" kind of way. the fact that he appears to give no fucks and then occasionally gives a gently caress is also cool
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The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of watching Gaiden before LoGH proper. There's less jumping around until you get used to the characters, allowing both Reinhardt and Yang to focus on being awesome. They're also all remastered and they look pretty cool, it looks a lot like the new parts of the zeta gundam movies. The only issue I think is that the slow start of the show proper would be kind of painful.
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Uhg. the best intro is the movie that eats up the first two eps. The gaiden are pretty poor compared to the series. In relative terms, anyway. Also, there's really no good rason to want to know about these dude's misadventures when you don't know them at all. The character designs are crisp but the animation is balls I don't know what you are talking about. The new Zeta animation was loving lush and detailed. I can't think of a worse way to introduce people to the show than force them to watch some side stories that are slow paced and less interesting on the scale of intergalactic war epic. Unless this is for a rewatch, and then whatever.
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Jan 19, 2012 16:52
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The first two movies are pretty much the best introduction; I really can't think of any other way as being better in the long run. The only "problem" is that you should probably start with episode 3 afterwards which I'm betting most people don't.
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I just jumped into the main series without bothering with the films. Have I actually missed anything?
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The first movie is the pilot! It should be watched. Second movie is "just" a much nicer version of the first two episodes (better pacing, better animation).
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Nate RFB posted:The first movie is the pilot! It should be watched. More info. It kind of makes up for how limited the animation is in the first two eps. Then the show more or less gets over that hump shortly after.
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There's way too much mystery-solving in the gaidens. I was really disappointed with Spiral Labyrinth for that reason; I wanted to see some cool Yang stuff and I was wondering how they would do it since he just plays Cassandra until he gets the 13th fleet, and it turns out all he does is solve a bunch of mysteries that have nothing to do with the main plot  The Reinhard/Siegfried four episode arcs are cool, when they aren't solving mysteries, but they're far too formulaic to be great. They're all structured the same, with the only difference being rank and scale. I thought it was neat that they found bit parts for all of Reinhard's admirals, except for Muller's being "and his name was Neithart Muller" at the end of the episode. The series is much more organic and fun to watch than the gaidens.
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Yeah; they aren't BAD, I think, but are helped by watching the series first
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I guess I cared more about the characters than the plot then.
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Yeah watch the gaiden if you wanna see the LoGH guys do scooby doo.
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DamnGlitch posted:Yeah watch the gaiden if you wanna see the LoGH guys do scooby doo. That actually sounds well ace. Spoilers for the later season 1 episodes: The way the peaceful protest escalates until Jessica's death and the riot afterwards was painful to watch. I've never seen anything like that in an anime. While it was a real shame to kill off one of the few (the only? I guess there's Frederica Greenhill) female characters in the show, it was a pretty drat effective way to put conflict into context and give it some emotional meaning. Somehow it didn't come across as cynical. The Annerosebud thing is becoming clearer to me now, but the whole premise of Reinhard's motivation and ambition is made weaker by her lack of character. At the moment it seems more like he's just used the liberation of his sister as a weak excuse for being a power mad poo poo. The vaseline coated montages of their childhood didn't convince me in the slightest. Does Julian's origin become clearer in later episodes? At the start of the series I thought that perhaps he was just Yang's ward in the old Greek student/mentor way, since the FPA seems to have something of a City States influence to it (democracy, Spartanians etc), but no one else seems to have a Julian equivalent.
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Julian doesn't have a backstory really, his parents are dead and Cazellnu attaches him to Yang so he can be responsible for something. I think it's just an easy way for Yang to have a "son" without actually having a son, since the theme of SONS MUST DESTROY THEIR FATHERS is so crazy strong. Are there any healthy father/son relationships in LoGH?
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Takes No Damage posted:
As the guy with headphones, in a workstation, in a cutter, and has been in situations like these I don't see what is wrong with the third picture. I think this is the hardest I have ever laughed at anything LOGH.
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OK. So I just watched episode 26. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH SHIIIIIT! I guess I was right in thinking that Kircheis would be a better motivation for Reinhard. How often does this happen to people who are new to the series?
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DamnGlitch posted:Yeah watch the gaiden if you wanna see the LoGH guys do scooby doo. Would you do it for a Kircheis snack?
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In case people didn't know (I haven't seen anything about it in the thread), there's BD rips of LoGH out now. As you'd expect, the quality isn't a whole lot better than the DVDs, but I think it's worth having over the DVD rips. Plus, softsubs. http://bakabt.me/163344-legend-of-the-galactic-heroes-ginga-eiyuu-densetsu-bluray-x264-720p-10bit-aac.html http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=torrentinfo&tid=262181
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I see virtually no quality difference from the DVDs. I mean, literally taking screencaps from either source and enlarging/shrinking them to whatever resolution the other is, they are drat close to being the same on a pixel-per-pixel basis. If anything the BD rips look like they're losing a tiny bit of the outer edges of the frames, like they're zoomed in a bit. I would say stick with the DVDs. Especially considering the filesizes on the BD rips are almost twice as large.
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I can distinguish a fair bit of difference when it's in motion, but then when I try to compare two identical scenes there's hardly any difference at all. So I dunno. I have plenty of hard drive space, so I might as well keep it.
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Jan 21, 2012 21:48
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Since they've already junked the source material for the original show (preventing them from ever rescanning at a higher resolution) aren't the Blu-Rays and DVDs from a common source anyway? Thought they were all upscales with minor touchups here and there, but true HD LoGH is an impossibility  Does anyone know if CA is going to do DVD versions of the gaidens as well, since those do look noticeably better than the laserdisc rips they had originally?
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Oh yeah, they're definitely upscales. It'd be nice if we could get LoGH BDs that looks as good as the Zeta Gundam BDs, but that'll never happen. At least the actual content is much, much better!
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To be clear, they're upscales of the DVD masters not the DVD encodes. MPEG-2 is a loving sin, so avoiding it by using a BD rip is always a gain.
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Aren't the BDs the ones where they replaced a bunch of the animation is newer computer animation that is somewhat jarring?
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Zorak posted:Aren't the BDs the ones where they replaced a bunch of the animation is newer computer animation that is somewhat jarring? They did that for the DVDs. These are literally upscales of the DVD masters.
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So they had the DVD master, which they used to produce the DVD encode which lowers the quality a bit. Now they took the same DVD master and produced a BD encode which (theoretically) lowers the quality by slightly less? I can't help but feel that we're firmly into the territory of diminishing returns at this point... Having said that, if there was ever a show that was worth sperging over to get the absolute highest quality version of, LoGH is that show. CA is never going to get to stop working on this show. Never.
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AzraelNewtype has it right. Both have the same master, but the BD rip would go from Master->h.264(Blu-ray)->h.264(mkv), where as the DVD version would go Master->MPEG2(DVD)->h.264(mkv). MPEG2 is absolute poo poo, so cutting that out helps, probably in the motion as Conduit for Sale! mentions. But it's pretty much splitting hairs and not something that's worth an additional 200 MB per episode, in my opinion.
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You're overstating the size difference. The entire DVD rips are 29.8GB and the BD rips are 44.5GB. I dunno about you, but 15GB is nothing for me. It's not even 1% of my total HD space.
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Yeah. If you got the dvd rips already okay whatever, but if you got nothing but the old LDs / VHS rips why not go for broke and download a slightly larger version. HD eps of just about every new series are like fricken 500 megs anyway. LoGH deserves as many megs as it wants 
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All them, LoGH deserves all the megs.
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quote:Yang said: Oh, Yang! 
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Takes No Damage posted:I was already all Quoting myself (and Ron Paul) from a few weeks ago. *Sigh* have we really learned so little even after turning all these pages in history?
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when the FPA council was arguing that they didn't have the economic strength to support a costly foreign invasion... after reading about exactly that on CNN...
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"Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." -Yang Wen-Li
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"The Godess of Victory is waving her undergarments in your faces." -Fritz Joesph Bittenfeld
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KlavoHunter posted:In every time, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same... I like your quote. 
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Kircheis posted:I like your quote. Is there any other anime series that is so quotable? As I've watched more of the series, I've become more and more curious about how it was translated. Is there any resource for reading about stuff like that?
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Takes No Damage posted:Oberstein is like a cooler smarter Dick Cheney. Willing to play the bad guy and make tough decisions in order to make Reinhard look good. One of my favorite characters to watch. Oberstein is awesome, because he's completely villianous, except for the fact he is at all points pretty much acting in everyones best interests so he's not a a villian at all.. Just a bit of a uptight prick.
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Chas McGill posted:Is there any other anime series that is so quotable? Since it was fan subbed there isn't really any kind of resource about the translation but it probably wouldn't hurt to get in touch with Central Anime and ask a few questions.
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