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Bobulus posted:It's really just a question of which is a bigger ace: Not knowing what the spell actually does is something that can be played out as a plot thread right up until the very finale. Not knowing about the amulet is a complete block on the villains making any progress at all because Xykon won't leave without it.
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Alchenar posted:Not knowing what the spell actually does is something that can be played out as a plot thread right up until the very finale. Not knowing about the amulet is a complete block on the villains making any progress at all because Xykon won't leave without it. We have evidence that Xykon may be willing to move on without it.
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jng2058 posted:Arguably, the best way to handle it is to get both. Kill Tsukiko and replace her with a polymorphed Hobgoblin or something. Or just kill her straight up and say that you did it because she was in your room. Yeah I think this is it. Redcloak is probably a higher level than Tsukiko, but he blew his higher level spells on the Resistance. They're probably on even footing, fight wise. It would make for a good action scene, and leave Redcloak with all the cards.
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Bobulus posted:
I have to question this. I mean, the guy is a billion-level skeleton wizard. If Tsukiko could figure it out, surely Xykon could. Maybe Xykon suspects something, so he gives the ritual to Tsukiko knowing she'll confront Redcloak -- thereby showing Xykon just how dedicated ol' Wrong-Eye is to keeping The Ritual a secret. Xykon should have the magical knowledge and cunning to tell if something is "up" with the ritual - not to mention the genre savviness to realize that any henchman who isn't Admiral Ozzel-level incompetent will stab you in the back and take your evil overlord hat given the opportunity.
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Verr posted:Yeah I think this is it. Redcloak is probably a higher level than Tsukiko, but he blew his higher level spells on the Resistance. They're probably on even footing, fight wise. It would make for a good action scene, and leave Redcloak with all the cards. Yeah, but he's probably got much better saves. Power equals power and all.
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Geeze, his Kickstarter drive is going up at like $2,000 per hour. Over a quarter of the way there in its first couple days.
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EndOfTheWorld posted:I have to question this. I mean, the guy is a billion-level skeleton wizard. If Tsukiko could figure it out, surely Xykon could. Maybe Xykon suspects something, so he gives the ritual to Tsukiko knowing she'll confront Redcloak -- thereby showing Xykon just how dedicated ol' Wrong-Eye is to keeping The Ritual a secret. Xykon is a sorcerer. He has never been really interested in magical knowledge, although he noticed something was up with the ritual.
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EndOfTheWorld posted:I have to question this. I mean, the guy is a billion-level skeleton wizard. If Tsukiko could figure it out, surely Xykon could. Maybe Xykon suspects something, so he gives the ritual to Tsukiko knowing she'll confront Redcloak -- thereby showing Xykon just how dedicated ol' Wrong-Eye is to keeping The Ritual a secret. But he doesn't. He's a SORCERER, which means that he's Charisma based, not Intelligence. His magic is innate, not learned the way Vaarsuvius' is. Plus Sorcerers don't get much in the way of Skill Points. That's why he needs Tsukiko, she's half wizard and DID study and probably has a better Knowledge: Arcana and Spellcraft scores than Xykon does.
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Wili posted:It is a reference to events in Start of Darkness.
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i just hope he implodes her, banishes her wights, and then has her taken back to her room and resurrected. because he can.
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Maldraedior posted:i just hope he implodes her, banishes her wights, and then has her taken back to her room and resurrected. because he can. No, wait...he kills her and brings her back as undead under his control! That's both ironic and Xykon won't get suspicious, since she's always had an undead fetish to begin with, and it gets you a spy close to the big X himself!
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ColdPie posted:Geeze, his Kickstarter drive is going up at like $2,000 per hour. Over a quarter of the way there in its first couple days. Today is actually it's first day; it's only been up for about 13 hours. It's been going just as strong since you posted, and it's over halfway there. I'm glad to see it doing so well; this is the only book I'm missing, but it'll be nice for the others to be back in print anyway.
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Are people actually donating in the hopes of being able to then buy a book? Like, not just preordering them?
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Javid posted:Are people actually donating in the hopes of being able to then buy a book? Like, not just preordering them? Did you read the page? It is a kick starter group to print the War and XPs book, basically a kind of pre-order. Plus extra stuff, and you can pay more for some extra things.
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Like the people paying 1250$ each to get a smidgeon more then the dude paying 10bux. I'm probably going to save up and buy the books i'm missing. I've got origins and start of darkness. I mean why not, its a good book.
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Presumably those are people of significant means who want to support a creative pursuit. I don't think they're looking for exact parity of value with what they receive.
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KaLogain posted:Did you read the page? It is a kick starter group to print the War and XPs book, basically a kind of pre-order. Plus extra stuff, and you can pay more for some extra things.
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Come on guys, surely someone else besides me like Tsukiko. 
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I find her somewhat tragic--a talented, clever, beautiful young woman should be doing extremely well for herself, but some twist of fate has left her damaged--unable to connect to her fellow living beings on a meaningful level. We'll probably never find out what happened to her, but it shouldn't have. Nevertheless, that bitch needs to die.
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Aaand another one's up. That was fast. Especially 'cos it's a doozy
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Mystic Mongol posted:I find her somewhat tragic--a talented, clever, beautiful young woman should be doing extremely well for herself, but some twist of fate has left her damaged--unable to connect to her fellow living beings on a meaningful level. We'll probably never find out what happened to her, but it shouldn't have. As you command: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0830.html
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MikeJF posted:Aaand another one's up. That was fast. Especially 'cos it's a doozy Jesus. That is.. I don't want to say that it's unneccesarily brutal, but it's incredibly brutal nontheless. It's a testament to the power of offscreen that it comes off so horribly. This definitely makes me hope that one of those $1250 donors is thinking the same way as us and wants to know what the hell was wrong with her. Niton fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Jan 23, 2012 |
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MikeJF posted:Aaand another one's up. That was fast. Especially 'cos it's a doozy It was even better then I had imagined.
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Tertiary Stresses posted:As you command: Holy poo poo. That was incredible. Nasty, brutal, but absolutely necessary. Really powerful writing. He used a spell silently two strips ago. He knew he would probably have to do this. And what an appropriate death for the undead-loving warped mind of Tsukiko. She really shouldn't have overplayed her hand. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Jan 23, 2012 |
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:He used a spell silently two strips ago. He knew he would probably have to do this.  Actually, he used his evil cleric's ability to Rebuke/Command Undead (in this case Command since his level was sufficiently high), which is the counterpart to a good cleric's Turn/Destroy Undead and is inherently silent (although no self-respecting good cleric would pass up a chance to shout "Begone, foul monster!" in an appropriately booming voice).
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NihilCredo posted:
And he had his hand on his holy symbol--Xykon's phylactery--when he did it. I completely missed that when I read that strip. Redcloak is badass.
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Poil posted:Come on guys, surely someone else besides me like Tsukiko. Nope, she existed purely to be a foil between Redcloak and Xykon and to get this bit of exposition out to people who haven't read Start of Darkness. Pretty much how Miko existed pretty much exclusively as a hook to get The Order onto the main plotline. After that job is done, death is inevitable.
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So, one thing about this strip comes to mind. Let's say Redcloak gets his plan to work. Does he plan to SURVIVE it? Because I can only imagine how pissed off Xykon'll be when he realizes that yeah, he got turned into a Lich and went through all this basically to serve the desires of someone who, you know, actually wants to do Evil for a greater reason (rather than just subscribing to 'Evil is doing whatever you want in as dickish a manner as possible' mindset Xykon does), desires which Xykon holds in complete contempt.
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Cornwind Evil posted:So, one thing about this strip comes to mind. Redcloak's plan has from the very beginning been to hand control over to The Dark One, allowing him to coerce the other gods into remaking the world in a way that isn't unfair to goblinkind. He has never planned on surviving.
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prefect posted:Is it wrong that I'm now cheering for Xykon as the underdog against Redcloak? Yes, yes you are. I think I've though up a plausible excuse Redcloak could use to explain away Tsukiko's disappearance. He could say that she took a squad of wights and is pursuing the Resistance, who are believed to have fled the area. Tsukiko will still be under the effects of the Cloister spell, so she can't be scryed or contacted until it wears off, and that'll take months. He could also say that he told her to come back with the phylactery or not at all.
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Well remember plan A is to just negotiate with the Gods for something more fair (PC race?) for goblins, its only if that fails that they destroy the world and get their spot at the table when Earth 3 is made. That said, you also have to remember that Xykon's transformation was as much a product of being really bored as it was anything Redcloak did.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:
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Pope Guilty posted:Xykon will forget Tsukiko inside a week when he spots something shiny. Less that, more "She got in the way so I fed her to her own wights" would amuse Xykon enough that he wouldn't care about the details.
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He might be slightly annoyed he didn't get to watch though. That was the perfect death for her. I liked her but she went the way she, probably, wanted. I'm content. 
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I don't know. Xykon is arrogant, but I can't see this not having some kind of repercussion for Redcloak. Even if he lies to Xykon, I'm pretty sure "Tsukiko goes missing" is the sort of thing he'd find suspicious and "I, uh, killed Tsukiko because she was going to betray you" is the sort of thing he'd call as bullshit from Redcloak. I'd bet he lets it pass but pulls it out later to gently caress Redcloak over.
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I'm going with "I killed her because she got mouthy and I was having a bad day". Xykon would probably accept that better than any other lie.
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