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Guilty posted:At this point you kind of need to get out there and try something and report back on how it is instead of spending days speculating on things could be... I'm not going to go off topic but that's how I do things. niethan posted:Capoeira involves very little actual touching by the way. I should of mentioned before I looked into capoeira and wasn't interested in it at all. Thanks though. Thoguh posted:There's nothing wrong with Taekwondo if your goal is to lose weight and get in shape. As long as you don't think it's going to make you an unstoppable killing machine or something it's a good workout and can be a lot of fun. Just realize that there is a reason that 6 year olds have black belts. Yeah...that's what I thought since no one brought it up. Grifter posted:This is one of those "really depends on the gym" kind of things. TKD can be a great workout if you go to a gym where they emphasize a hard warmup and do more sparring than forms. Alternately it might be more of a slow recitation of moves kind of thing. I just want to do something that doesn't make me too uncomfortable. I know taking a martial arts class isn't going to cure that. I am considering the kickboxing class. Thank you all for the help. I'll probably settle on a kickboxing class or something similar.
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niethan posted:Have you considered therapy? I wanted to keep these separate, but I have a topic in E/N if you're really that interested. I don't understand what that has to do with finding a class.
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LeapFrog posted:I just want to do something that doesn't make me too uncomfortable. I know taking a martial arts class isn't going to cure that. I am considering the kickboxing class. i hope you try the kickboxing class, at least once (since once leads to twice, and before you know it you're going every week because it's comfortable). it's not going to do jack about your anxiety directly, it just provides confidence in your body and abilities the same as any other sport. and a girl that knows how to fight is badass e: leapfrog i just skimmed your e/n posts and i just wanna say good luck. from your writing and your desire to make things better it's obvious you're not stupid and i think every little challenge you overcome is going to make you a stronger person. you don't need great conversational abilities to take kickboxing. the benefits are innumerable. mewse fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Jan 22, 2012 |
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mewse posted:i hope you try the kickboxing class, at least once (since once leads to twice, and before you know it you're going every week because it's comfortable). it's not going to do jack about your anxiety directly, it just provides confidence in your body and abilities the same as any other sport. If it's actual kickboxing and not cardio kickboxing, it will whip you into shape. Those people are athletes in every sense of the word. The trainer is able to run 10 miles and then do the workouts I do (which are 2.5 hours long). He's a loving maniac. Ugh. Several of our guys are gearing up for a fight. That means we've been going harder in sparring for them. I caught a front kick right in the nose and it looks ridiculous.
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LeapFrog posted:I just want to do something that doesn't make me too uncomfortable. I know taking a martial arts class isn't going to cure that. I am considering the kickboxing class. Even though the aerobic kickboxing would better suit your anxiety you should try out the fitness kickboxing since that will give you a chance at actual pad work and imo is a better workout (and an actual martial art). Good luck, have fun.
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mewse posted:you don't need great conversational abilities to take kickboxing. the benefits are innumerable. As I've mentioned before, most of the time after a heavy round of drills or sparring, I can't form coherent sentences anyways.
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One of my coaches and the guy who owns the club I train at (and one of the most important men in Aussie judo) teared up at the end of the Judo camp as he was trying to say thankyou to all the other coaches who came from all over Australia to help. Made me go all fuzzy inside. Love that guy to death. Spent much of today learning uchi mata for the first time and I'm very mentally drained after the last 3 days. One of the best experiences of my life though and totally worth 40 bucks. e: Whats the benefit of uchi mata over harai goshi? Seems like uchi mata is harder but with no extra pay off. Nierbo fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Jan 22, 2012 |
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mewse posted:and a girl that knows how to fight is badass drat yeah, theres this girl in my class, she's really pretty and she owns me everytime we spare, i can't help but fall in love !
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When a big hunk of man wrestles me into submission I can't help but fall in love.
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:This is kind of a special case. I've had ingrown toes cut out four times when I was a teenager. I don't want to post pictures because it's gross, but basically I broke my toe, and it made the toe malformed. Letting the toe keep growing forward will actually cut off this weird lump of flesh I've got at the front of the toe and return my toe to a normal shape. cut the bit of skin in front of the nail off now? just do it. get it over with. ?
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niethan posted:When a big hunk of man wrestles me into submission I can't help but fall in love. Our Gay Sport
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Nierbo posted:e: Whats the benefit of uchi mata over harai goshi? Seems like uchi mata is harder but with no extra pay off. Uchi Mata is the prettiest throw. So there is that. This is a picture of me getting thrown with Uchi Mata. I'm losing but I still think it's a sweet throw.  They are very different throws. Uchimata involves scooping up their leg and the rotation is more or less in the plane of their hips. With Harai you are sweeping up the leg and the rotation is perpendicular to where their hips started.
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Thoguh posted:Uchi Mata is the prettiest throw. So there is that. This is a picture of me getting thrown with Uchi Mata. I'm losing but I still think it's a sweet throw. This.. They are very similar and very different at the same time. Hane goshi feels like it's kind of in the middle between the two. Are you doing uchi mata on the leg you sweep with harai goshi or uchi mata on their other leg? The "standard" uchi mata is done by attacking the same leg you'd sweep with harai goshi I think, but I usually use the other version more in randori. Also, if your opponents legs are spread wide, you can't really do harai goshi, so uchi mata at least has this purpose (when I see someone who has a very wide stance I'll often attack with uchi mata). This also means that it can combo very well with things like kouchi/ouchi gari depending on the reaction you get from your opponent. basically, they look and feel similar at first, but they are quite different in practice. Also uchi mata is like way more badass and is very good at hurting like hell when you fall flat on your back.
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Nierbo posted:e: Whats the benefit of uchi mata over harai goshi? Seems like uchi mata is harder but with no extra pay off. Think of Judo as a language. You wouldn't ask, "Why should I ever use 'legume' over 'peanut,' when 'legume' is so much harder to say?" The answer to that question would be hidden in the context of your discussion- have you been talking about food or pieces of Styrofoam? Similarly, the question of uchi mata vs harai goshi depends entirely on context. Is your opponent "asking" how you would counter his single leg takedown or are you "telling" him about the third step in your attack sequence? Have you been on the subject long? Are you just repeating yourself for emphasis or changing your mind about a previous point? Most importantly, is this an argument or a conversation? I use uchi mata when the opponent is ready to hear it, and when I can present it as unquestionable fact. Same deal with harai and hane goshi. Hope that helps! Ridleys Revenge fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Jan 22, 2012 |
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Nierbo posted:e: Whats the benefit of uchi mata over harai goshi? Seems like uchi mata is harder but with no extra pay off. Uchimata is not really easier than harai. This sounds weird, but for me, Uchimata is good because it has a pretty large margin of error. That means even if I don't nail it right away, I can still hop it through, or transition much easier than I can from a harai. Harai seems like you either nail it, or you miss and thats pretty much all she wrote. Harai: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDrQA1Z0EgQ Uchimata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAkTChZi7WA
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swmmrmanshen posted:Uchimata is not really easier than harai. This sounds weird, but for me, Uchimata is good because it has a pretty large margin of error. That means even if I don't nail it right away, I can still hop it through, or transition much easier than I can from a harai. Harai seems like you either nail it, or you miss and thats pretty much all she wrote. Is it just me or does it look like inoue is doing some sort of hane goshi in the second video?
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"Hane-goshi (spring hip) does place a leg between uki's legs but the throw is characterized by getting power from ones hip flexor in an outward motion, rather then from extending the leg straight backwards as in harai, uchi mata or o-soto-gare."
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Ridleys Revenge posted:"Hane-goshi (spring hip) does place a leg between uki's legs but the throw is characterized by getting power from ones hip flexor in an outward motion, rather then from extending the leg straight backwards as in harai, uchi mata or o-soto-gare." Thanks, I was wondering since the way I learned hane goshi you sort of push him away from you and had never seen it done this way so I was wondering if there was some secret hane goshi I didn't know of and the author of the video just didn't know better. Seems like it's more of a secret uchi mata I didn't know about! Doing uchi mata this way would probably give me more power on the leg extension part. Definitely worth trying KingColliwog fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Jan 22, 2012 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAdRr1gsu0w Is this what you're talking about KC? It's what I think of when I think "secret hane" because of that initial lift that occurs while tori is still facing the uke.
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Bangkero posted:My previous post on recommending boxing is pretty much the same for kickboxing. Minimal small talk, just shut the gently caress up and train. Fitness kickboxing looks interesting to me. I wanna start hitting more classes at my gym and I've been thinking of hitting some of those on top of the classes cause it looks like a good way to get form down while being a super cardio workout. The classes I've being doing lately haven't had much in the way of pad or bag work so far. Mostly just partner drills and sparring, which is great and fun but I kinda miss pad work.
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Nierbo posted:e: Whats the benefit of uchi mata over harai goshi? Seems like uchi mata is harder but with no extra pay off. It's been a while since I've done Judo but doesn't Harai Goshi work better on someone moving laterally while Uchi Mata is better for someone that's either moving towards you or stationary? The reason you learn so many variations on hip throws and all that is so that you can attack many stances efficiently.
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Ridleys Revenge posted:"Hane-goshi (spring hip) does place a leg between uki's legs but the throw is characterized by getting power from ones hip flexor in an outward motion, rather then from extending the leg straight backwards as in harai, uchi mata or o-soto-gare." I ussually teach Harai-Goshi and Hane-Goshi at the same time and have guys do most of their fit ins with Hane-Goshi because the footwork and upper body pull is very similar but you have much more control during the Uchikomi. With Hane-Goshi it is a lot easier to have guys do a proper fit in without having to do the Kake. With a properly executed Harai-Goshi is is almost impossible not to put the Uke on the mat.
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NovemberMike posted:It's been a while since I've done Judo but doesn't Harai Goshi work better on someone moving laterally while Uchi Mata is better for someone that's either moving towards you or stationary? The reason you learn so many variations on hip throws and all that is so that you can attack many stances efficiently. I think you're backwards on that one. Harai-Goshi is magical for an opponent who is pushing in and Uchimata is great for a guy who is blocking out with his hips back and his legs spread wide. My go to moves for a guy who is pushing are Harai-Goshi or Soto-Makimomi. For a guy who has his hips back and spread it is Tomoe-Nage (since I suck at Uchi-Mata).
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I'm thoroughly motivated by this: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21328485.000-compression-garments-reduce-muscle-fatigue.html I might wear a compression tight to next sparring session.
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attackmole posted:The classes I've being doing lately haven't had much in the way of pad or bag work so far. Mostly just partner drills and sparring, which is great and fun but I kinda miss pad work. Well that isn't surprising, it sounds like your basic technique class then. If you have 1-1.5 hours to train, it's hard to fit pads or punching a heavy bag in there. Our club has different classes for that, as they should. Which reminds me, I think I'm off to our late morning cardio class just because I can ->
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Joe Rogan on the benefits of learning jujitsu; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tp7LP6ciU0&feature=endscreen&NR=1&list=ULEDZZ5qZc6Dk
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Thoguh posted:I think you're backwards on that one. Harai-Goshi is magical for an opponent who is pushing in and Uchimata is great for a guy who is blocking out with his hips back and his legs spread wide. You're probably right, it's been around ten years now since I've seriously done Judo. I just remember that each throw tended to be superior against a certain defense.
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Tonight is my second judo practice, looking forward to it, especially since we had a visitor last time who is also a complete judo/martial arts newbie and sounded like he was joining, so I'll have company in my awfulness. Question--I'm assuming I'll spend the next few practices mostly drilling on how to fall and some of the basic throws, right? I'm having fun but I'm pretty sure if they had me try to practice sparring and actual throwing right now I'd hurt myself.
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There's a student run mixed martial arts club in my town that's been up and running for a couple of years, and today I decided to stop by their submission wrestling class, because a couple of my training partners cross train there, and since it's hosted by the university it's really cheap. Previously, I've talked about how I've never really felt unsafe among the stereotypical wild white belts and beginners, and I'd never really encountered any grappler that just throws caution to the wind and goes full blown explosive every time they go for a submission unless they're some krav maga person, and I thought this was just some kind of hyperbolic stereotype, but drat; today I did not feel safe grappling. I was making an effort to focus on technique and keep a good flow going, which was something of a challenge when met with herky jerky 110% intensity submission and sweep attempts. I mean, if nothing else, it sure as hell gave me inspiration to get out of any position that could end up being bad, because if someone went for an armbar, I was afraid they'd somehow noclip through the floor and break my arm across my spine. I felt like I had to actually defend myself from getting injured, if that makes sense. Of course, this wasn't all of them, but in a nogi class it's hard to separate the beginners from the intermediates, or the people that want to break you from the ones trying to put on techniques. Also, if anyone here trains in a bomb shelter with no air conditioning, you have my deepest sympathies because god drat it's horrible.
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Pellisworth posted:Question--I'm assuming I'll spend the next few practices mostly drilling on how to fall and some of the basic throws, right? I'm having fun but I'm pretty sure if they had me try to practice sparring and actual throwing right now I'd hurt myself. Probably, though they might have you work in some actual throws and maybe some randori. If at any point you're uncomfortable or not ready for something just say so. If it is a worthwhile club they'll respect that.
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My gym got kicked out of our old premises after 6 months because we were causing the ceiling in the offices downstairs to fall out. Third move since 2009, poo poo's getting old. We're hoping to get a sweet new premises soon, really big space, shared with a grappling/bjj gym these guys) who seem pretty legit. Right now we're just training in whatever rooms are free at the clubs and societies building at the university which kinda sucks cos we can't do grappling and have no gear really and have only 2hrs a day
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Judo Journal Day 2: My body is artfully covered in bruises My left shoulder has the entire spectrum of bruise colors; yellow, green, beige/brown, red, and purple. Today was more learning how to fall, practicing osoto gari (which I'm apparently doing pretty well, being 6'2" tall) and some basic ground work. Question regarding recovery: my right shoulder is pretty sore and I expect it'll be nice and stiff tomorrow. I asked one of the senseis in the locker room what he recommended to help recovery and he said to take a long hot shower. I asked if I should take some ibuprofen or other anti-inflammatory/painkiller and he shrugged and said I could, but it might be better not to. Or, in his words, "you don't want it be like cocaine where you have to depend on it; your body will adapt to the pain eventually." Thoughts on that? Should I be downing ibuprofen after training sessions or will that impair my body "toughening up?"
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Smegmatron posted:Is it injured or is it just hurting because you're doing things that your body isn't used to? I strongly doubt my shoulder is injured. It's sore and I expect it will be sore and stiff tomorrow, but I have full range of movement and the pain is fairly mild/moderate but noticeable. I lift weights 3x a week and do various cardio, though nothing that would condition my joints and body to take the beatings judo gives me.
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