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Victoria debating is stuffed with hard right Rogernomes. "Team freedom" et al dusty fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Jun 19, 2012 |
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ACT on Campus in Auckland Uni is one of the more disgusting groups I've been in contact with, such as telling the female treasurer of the student council to "Go get raped"
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Jan 25, 2012 00:19
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Solus posted:ACT on Campus in Auckland Uni is one of the more disgusting groups I've been in contact with, such as telling the female treasurer of the student council to "Go get raped" When the OUSA student president was doing some protest thing RE VSM he camped out in a cage for like 48 hours the ACT on campus people approached with pieces of paper i.e. "I love liberty" and stuff to pose with him and kind of do a counter-protest. Anyways, so the OUSA president guy grabbed one of the pieces of paper and crumpled it up and threw it to the ground (which is stupid, but anyways continuing...). This caused the (then) ACT on campus president (not the debater I referred to before) to grab him by the throat and pull back his fist full bore to throw a big haymaker before a bunch of people had to pull him off. Also, The ACT candidate for Dunedin south while actually a really nice person can only be described as basically classically young libertarian i.e. pretty drat crazy. She is about 22, lives a polyamorous lifestyle with a 'primary' partner/slept with lots of people, formerly worked as a dancer at Dunedins strip club Stilleto's and hates fatties. Also, I hate to support pop psychology but another AOCer who is reasonably attractive and blonde has admitted some serious issues. She averaged sleeping with 4-5 guys a week for a long period of time and also lives a polyamorous lifestyle with a primary. Anyways, Im going to have be honest that after a few anecdotal experiences like this I really can't help but take away the impression that a lot of these sorts of political attitudes are really strongly linked to being sort of well, a little bit sociopathic. Edit: Edited above to be less douche. Heres a picture:  Lovely Dame Thea Muldoon and 2 Black Power boys having a talk after Rob Muldoon's funeral. Lemonus fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Jan 25, 2012 |
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Jan 25, 2012 00:38
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Lemonus posted:Are you a debater? We also had some young ACT'ers in Otago that are good debaters- one was the candidate for south Dunedin and another one was pres of ACT on campus (who has now left it and joined the young nats lol) I am and if you ever catch me voting for ACT or National you have permission to take me out back and shoot me because I'm already long dead. I don't think it's controversial to say that university debating attracts ideologues of all colours and Vic Debating has more than its fair share of hard libertarians as a result. There's still a good portion of left wing members, though - the libertarians just happen to be the loudest and, sadly, the best debaters. I guess you have to be a loving good speaker if you want to make that kind of ideology seem palatable. ACT on Campus is genuinely hosed up, I was at the Greens election party on election night and me and some friends (DEBATERS OH GOD) were getting kicks out of txting some of its members and mocking them about the fact that the only person they had managed to get in was hard-right fundie Banks.
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Jan 25, 2012 00:59
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Lemonus posted:Also, The ACT candidate for Dunedin south while actually a really nice person (and also a debater) can only be described as basically classically young libertarian i.e. pretty drat crazy. She is about 22, lives a polyamorous lifestyle with a 'primary' partner/slept with lots of people, formerly worked as a dancer at Dunedins strip club Stilleto's and hates fatties. Sorry, but what does their sex life have to do with their being - in your lofty opinion - 'damaged goods', or their political views? What a bunch of sluts, right? Bitches be trippin', right? I hate ACT as much as anyone but there's no need for that sexist, moralistic bullshit. If you disagree with someone's political persuasion, fine, but don't be the guy who pontificates from on high and paints someone as a "damaged goods" because she has a lot of sex and you happen to disagree with her political views. Jesus Christ.
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Jan 25, 2012 01:05
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miss_chaos posted:Sorry, but what does their sex life have to do with their being - in your lofty opinion - 'damaged goods', or their political views? What a bunch of sluts, right? Bitches be trippin', right? I hate ACT as much as anyone but there's no need for that sexist, moralistic bullshit. Honestly its more the fact that they regularly lie & deceive people to get into the sack and also basically have horrendously judgemental views on peoples appearances RE their sex lives than the merely sleeping with people thing. There are ethical sluts, who I would not shame, and then unethical ones, which maybe I am being a bit of a jerk about but I think its fair game for some criticism. On a side note, both women strongly disapproved of the slut-walk because they basically think women need to take more personal responsibility to avoid rapes. Pigeon Shamus posted:I am and if you ever catch me voting for ACT or National you have permission to take me out back and shoot me because I'm already long dead. Well thats what I love about debating- a really interesting mix of people heh. Yeah I kind of felt bad for my friend who is in ACT on campus in Dunedin on election night because he is legitimately one of those 'idealistic' libertarian folk thats all about decriminalizing marijuana/same-sex marriage and stuff but IMO misguided on economics. Anyways- Banks is almost incredibly opposed to anything he stands for. Lemonus fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Jan 25, 2012 |
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Jan 25, 2012 01:08
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I can see where you're getting at, even if the genders were reversed I could defintely see that as a sign of sociopathy but "damaged goods" is a loaded term, especially when you're throwing about 'slut' and 'daddy issues' as liberally as you are.
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Jan 25, 2012 01:19
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Law posted:I can see where you're getting at, even if the genders were reversed I could defintely see that as a sign of sociopathy but "damaged goods" is a loaded term, especially when you're throwing about 'slut' and 'daddy issues' as liberally as you are. Yeah point taken- thats probably a better word for what I was looking for. There is a patent need to 'conquest' people in the sack rather than well just really having fun having sex (which I dont actually see as a bad thing).
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Jan 25, 2012 01:23
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Lemonus posted:Yeah point taken- thats probably a better word for what I was looking for. There is a patent need to 'conquest' people in the sack rather than well just really having fun having sex (which I dont actually see as a bad thing). Please tell me more about this candidates personal life.
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Jan 25, 2012 01:26
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LCQC posted:Please tell me more about this candidates personal life. Well basically I saw three guys lick peanut butter and jelly from between her thighs and off her tits one time along with an audience of about 200+ people, this was for a talent show on a Otago faculty camp.
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Jan 25, 2012 01:34
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Lemonus posted:Well basically I saw three guys lick peanut butter and jelly from between her thighs and off her tits one time along with an audience of about 200+ people, this was for a talent show on a Otago faculty camp. So uh, how would I go about getting into this libertarianism business? For school purposes of course.
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Jan 25, 2012 01:40
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Law posted:So uh, how would I go about getting into this libertarianism business? For school purposes of course. Studying Law is a good start 
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Jan 25, 2012 01:42
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Lemonus posted:When the OUSA student president was doing some protest thing RE VSM he camped out in a cage for like 48 hours the ACT on campus people approached with pieces of paper i.e. "I love liberty" and stuff to pose with him and kind of do a counter-protest. Anyways, so the OUSA president guy grabbed one of the pieces of paper and crumpled it up and threw it to the ground (which is stupid, but anyways continuing...). This caused the (then) ACT on campus president (not the debater I referred to before) to grab him by the throat and pull back his fist full bore to throw a big haymaker before a bunch of people had to pull him off. So do you have any criticisms of these women that aren't based on slut-shaming? Disgusting. As for the peanut butter, what’s wrong with that? You were watching it so obviously you didn’t have a problem at the time.
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Jan 25, 2012 01:43
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Pipe Dreamer posted:So do you have any criticisms of these women that aren't based on slut-shaming? Disgusting. Beyond the ACT policies, general hatred of the poor, Ayn Rand like objectivism and such? Anyways, I did elaborate a little more and I might basically still being a jerk- but they are horrendously judgmental of peoples looks, hate fatties, deceive people to get into the sack. On a side note, both women objected to the slutwalk on the basis that it did not promote that women should take more personal responsibility to avoid rapes. Im probably still being a jerkoff but honestly you could reverse the genders and these behaviors would still be well, a little sociopathic. Pipe Dreamer posted:As for the peanut butter, what’s wrong with that? You were watching it so obviously you didn’t have a problem at the time. Well, Im not sure if I did find anything wrong with it, it just is pretty astounding/amazing more is what I was getting at. She is pretty comfortable with herself.
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Jan 25, 2012 01:46
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Lemonus posted:Studying law is a good start What is it about law majors and libertarianism? My flatmate last year was a right wing fuckwit* too and he studied law. *He was actually a pretty cool dude when I didn't bother arguing with him, he just had some broken political views. 
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Jan 25, 2012 01:46
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Law posted:What is it about law majors and libertarianism? My flatmate last year was a right wing fuckwit* too and he studied law. Yeah honestly I love having some of these people around me and most I think are genuinely good folk on a personal level. Debating is good for this stuff ^_^
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Jan 25, 2012 01:49
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Lemonus posted:Also, I hate to support pop psychology but another AOCer who is reasonably attractive and blonde has admitted some serious issues. She averaged sleeping with 4-5 guys a week for a long period of time and also lives a polyamorous lifestyle with a primary. Neither of those are serious issues, though? Or at all related to her politics?
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Jan 25, 2012 02:02
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LCQC posted:Neither of those are serious issues, though? Or at all related to her politics? You are correct in that sentence alone there are no issues but I have elaborated it a little more in other posts. See's sexual encounters as conquests, horrendously judgmental about appearances, hates 'fatties', deceives the way into the sack, thinks women need more personal responsibility to avoid rapes. This stuff I think is basically heavily tied in with Ayn Rand like Objectivist thinking and being a young AOC'er
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Jan 25, 2012 02:06
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Lemonus posted:Studying Law is a good start The times are a changing as far as Law goes. You want Marketing majors these days. Or engineers.
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Jan 25, 2012 04:05
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10781001 Shearer's sniffed a winner with the potential Crafar farm sales by the National government.
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Jan 25, 2012 04:46
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Semi-related, but if your spouse in a National voting christian smoker with a tattoo who lives in Christchurch then I have some bad news. http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=142434&fm=psp,tst
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Jan 25, 2012 06:20
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Trouble Man posted:MY GIRLFRIEND and I could buy a house tomorrow, and we live in Wellington. BUT: I know that this is an old post, but you can get a $200,000ish 10 year old house in lower hutt which is walking distance from a train station. This means that your commute is 5 min walking -> 25 mins train -> 10 mins walking to Cuba - thats 40 mins. When I lived in Karori, it would take me 40 mins to walk to town. The (poo poo, admittedly but getting better) really distorts the layout of the city.
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Jan 25, 2012 11:20
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Lemonus posted:You are correct in that sentence alone there are no issues but I have elaborated it a little more in other posts. See's sexual encounters as conquests, horrendously judgmental about appearances, hates 'fatties', deceives the way into the sack, thinks women need more personal responsibility to avoid rapes. You do realise you that calling a woman "horrendously judgmental" while unapologetically running her down with slut-shaming that you are, in fact, a massive hypocrite and a disgusting, unabashed misogynist? Congrats on having the most hosed up, sociopathic views toward women I've ever heard. Sounds like you might be bitter because you're the only one she won't gently caress, but you might want to go to Student Health and talk to someone about your serious misogynism issues. As someone who knows people at Otago debating and with close relatives in Otago law (I'm guessing that's the faculty camp you went to), your attitude toward women who you don't deem to be "pure" scares the poo poo out of me. Get therapy.
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Jan 25, 2012 11:39
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Well I went to Auckland University during the height of the Mid-naughties apathy collapse, and didn't take part in debating or student politics. I did do the news editing for Craccum for one semester and became disgusted at how little anybody gave a poo poo about the news, so I started making it up and nobody noticed. I went to the debating club once cause I like arguing with folk but it was full of law students and so I left before I could ascertain their political views. Wooo uni.
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Jan 25, 2012 14:33
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The Ports of Auckland wants to get big so it can lift more:quote:Bold plans to extend Auckland's port 250m into the Waitemata Harbour are going through the Auckland Council for formal approval without a full public debate. Here's the Herald slider graphic so you don't actually have to visit their site: http://media.apn.co.nz/webcontent/infographics/PortChange/PortChange_v2.swf Wasn't there a plan to move the port out of the city at one point?
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Jan 25, 2012 22:56
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News: Teapot tape allegedly leaked online, though I haven't heard it. Views: While it will get the media in a lather, someone is a massive dumbass given this is before the courts and has to have come from someone at one of the media organisations being investigated or Ambrose himself in which case he is the biggest dumbass on the planet. Interesting times. Edit: what I mean is its clearly been done to spruik the PM's big speech which is smart I guess but also political motivated so I'm willing to bet this person will probably have not been especially careful, and an interesting timing choice given the Cabinet will likely approve the Crafar farms sale today which is a massive long term piece for the left narrative and a huge story which the Cabinet can now bury. miss_chaos fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Jan 26, 2012 |
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Jan 26, 2012 00:00
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This purports to be it, no idea if it's legit as I'm not familiar enough with their voices. Lots of background noise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KloJf11GvQg
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Jan 26, 2012 00:09
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I just don't know why someone would release this today when there are two major anti-government stories that will run at the top of the bulletin: the decidedly lukewarm economy numbers and the Crafar farms, both of which could produce significant anti-National traction and better play into an anti-government sentiment. Labour will of course play the teapot tape and not the actual issues which could help them more long term (bizarro alliance between Shearer and known economic patriot Michael Fay aside). Surely you would wait for clear air and try to land 3 anti-government hits instead of 1 (and burying the two)? If you had it, why wouldn't you wait until it was a bit quiet or until it made more strategic sense? Either way, Bradley Ambrose clearly didn't delete the tape which is surely in contempt of his court remarks? What are the legal ramifications for him out of this release, legal eagles? Edit: other big stories today: hysteria as people arrested at Occupy Auckland, coup in PNG which has regional ramifications etc. Seems like an odd day to try and go big. miss_chaos fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Jan 26, 2012 |
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Jan 26, 2012 00:31
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Of course the timing makes perfect sense if it was the Johns that released it 
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Jan 26, 2012 00:34
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....aaaaaaand the tape is pretty much about nothing just as they said. Well played leaker! You really got them! Meanwhile David Shearer is backing Michael Fay's bid for Crafar WTF I don't even.
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Jan 26, 2012 00:44
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Torka posted:This purports to be it, no idea if it's legit as I'm not familiar enough with their voices. Lots of background noise. That's it? "He polled four last time, he'll poll three this time - a lot of his constituents will have died." I'm glad that single comment was apparently worth turning the entire election media circus away from their already-tenuous policy coverage into full-blown hysterics. The only scandalous thing there is that Winston polled higher than Key's advisers suggested, and guess why that was? Honestly, this says far more about the integrity of our news outlets than anything else. The only thing that should come of this is a spate of political editor's resignations and an apology for rail-roading the media's own election coverage to be about them, and not the actual election.
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Jan 26, 2012 00:48
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Even our scandals are crap compared to other countries'. Where are the rabidly homophobic but secretly gay MPs and CEOs with a Nazi roleplay fetish?
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Jan 26, 2012 01:03
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ClubmanGT posted:Honestly, this says far more about the integrity of our news outlets than anything else. The only thing that should come of this is a spate of political editor's resignations and an apology for rail-roading the media's own election coverage to be about them, and not the actual election. Yeah, the unintended consequence of leaking the tape is that is basically what exactly the the Prime Minister basically said it was - not a huge conspiracy that will take down the government and paint everyone with unelectable character flaws like the media made it out to be. The media might consume itself with manufactured outrage about the Winston comments and his circus, but they were certainly true at the time and I think the wider public will agree. Given the tape backs up what he said, and potentially puts Bradley Ambrose even deeper in the legal doo-doo, who's really the winner here? I'm not sure the leaker really thought this through. Torka: David Garrett stole a dead baby's identity which is arguably worse than both?
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Jan 26, 2012 01:15
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miss_chaos posted:....aaaaaaand the tape is pretty much about nothing just as they said. Yeah gently caress Michael Fay. That guy is an rear end in a top hat.
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Jan 26, 2012 01:21
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Red_Fred posted:Yeah gently caress Michael Fay. That guy is an rear end in a top hat. Can someone give a quick run down of who he is? Also don't forget the leader of the Christian Heritage Party that pleaded guilty to indecent assault and rape of multiple girls under the age of 12, including an 8yr old.
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Jan 26, 2012 01:47
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NZAmoeba posted:Can someone give a quick run down of who he is? First article "The Grifter" This will give you a brief overview of how he relates to the current issue at least.
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Jan 26, 2012 01:54
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We really do need a revolutionary updating of public institutions in my opinion.
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Jan 26, 2012 02:28
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leaked tea pot tapes?  Grey power is going to get verbally slammed by two rich Aucklanders chatting in a cafe! 
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Jan 26, 2012 02:53
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miss_chaos posted:The media might consume itself with manufactured outrage about the Winston comments and his circus, but they were certainly true at the time and I think the wider public will agree. I think the media themselves were more interested in making the story about them than anything else. And claims like this now don't look so great for people's credibility: quote:Inside we learn that a scone radio microphone ‘inadvertently’ left on the Urban Cafe table during the Cup of Tea Summit captured the whole conversation. The prime minister’s office have refused permission for the recording to be released because “neither party knew they were being taped”. HoS editor Bryce Johns said he believed they could have gone ahead, “but it was an ethical matter”. Jonathan Milne says the conversation would be “a game-changer“, were they to print it. “It’s the sheer range of comments in Key and Banks’ discussion that is breathtaking,” he adds. Game-changer? Really? http://www.listener.co.nz/nz-election-2011-live/nz-election-2011-the-morning-papers-sunday-13-november/ Really, the whole thing petering (hurr) out like this was the best outcome for outlets because they'd hyped it so much and it must have gotten to the stage where they knew it couldn't deliver on what they'd promised.
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Jan 26, 2012 03:20
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ClubmanGT posted:That's it? Listening to this Key should have just let them release it and say the comment about Winston's support was stupid of him and apologise and story over. I can't understand why he didn't do this. And he would have been able to get them to cut out his phone number and avoided having to change it. But yeah, agreed, what were the media doing focussing on this instead of actual issues?
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