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I'm not all that familiar with the prestige classes- what would be the right build if you were going to play Tsukiko? Is there some kind of "make lots of undead" prestige class?
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Pope Guilty posted:I'm not all that familiar with the prestige classes- what would be the right build if you were going to play Tsukiko? Is there some kind of "make lots of undead" prestige class? Mystic Theurge is a prestige class you can take as a multiclassed Arcane/Divine caster. It's what Tsukiko was. Positives: Extra low level spells from both your base classes. Negatives: Terribly stunted spell advancement, awful attacks, bad saves, no bonus feats, everything else. True Necromancer is a another prestige class available to Arcane/Divine multiclassed casters. Positives: Shitloads of low levels spells, Wizard bonus feats and Cleric powers keep leveling, special powers neither Necromancer Wizards or Unholy Clerics get access to, and you can control something to the tune of 12 times the normal amount of Undead. All around baller as gently caress. Negatives: Slightly slower advancement to high level spells. Tsukiko was retarded.
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Jan 25, 2012 11:52
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Pope Guilty posted:I'm not all that familiar with the prestige classes- what would be the right build if you were going to play Tsukiko? Is there some kind of "make lots of undead" prestige class? You want the Dread Necromancer class, which lets you command and construct unusually powerful undead. Stack the right items and you can be commanding 700 hitdice of undead under your personal authority, all with bonuses from being constructed by you. Spare undead can be left uncontrolled and kept in boxes to be released in time of war for reinforcements or just to run wild--they keep the bonuses to strength, dex, and hit points for being created by the DN. They get bonuses to save against negative energy (that woulda been useful, huh!) and her charisma would act as a bonus to the number of undead she'd command. Also, she'd rebuke undead as a cleric, and get some random, kinda terrible additional abilities. Also at level 20 they become a (fake)lich, that's nice. Downside is the Dread Necromancer gets a pretty thin on the ground spell list--nothing weak, exactly? But when wizards and sorcerers can learn any spell and do any thing, being restricted to a selection of poison, death, and disease spells stings. At least there's a wide selection of save or die spells. There are a few fun tricks you can do--make undead rats, have them blow up dealing a few hundred d6 of negative energy damage at minimal cost. Awaken Undead lets the undead have the racial abilities they had in life--dwarven trapfinding skeletons and kobold trapsetting zombies have a nice little ying-yang thing going on. And like any caster, make it a Dread Necromancer / Incantrix and all these tricks can be maximized at basically no cost.
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Jan 25, 2012 12:55
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Cuchulain posted:Mystic Theurge is a prestige class you can take as a multiclassed Arcane/Divine caster. It's what Tsukiko was. Positives: Extra low level spells from both your base classes. Negatives: Terribly stunted spell advancement, awful attacks, bad saves, no bonus feats, everything else.
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Jan 25, 2012 15:22
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It' clear that Xykon is suspicious of Redcloak already, and moreover, Xykon is smarter/more aware than he lets on (never mistake not knowing for not caring). Even if Redcloak comes up with a completely plausible explanation on Tsutsiko's death with no contradicting evidence, Xykon will likely still be suspicious. However, he will still think he needs Redcloak.
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Jan 25, 2012 15:48
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Ahhh, you people are really bad, all Redcloak has to do is say "What do you mean she's gone?" No need for anything more elaborate then that, just a "What she's not here?"
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Jan 25, 2012 16:00
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Bluff isn't a class skill for (most) clerics, he will presumably bomb the living hell out of that.
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Jan 25, 2012 16:22
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Cabbit posted:Bluff isn't a class skill for (most) clerics, he will presumably bomb the living hell out of that. Well what will he bomb the most out of y'think? "Oh Tsuikoku? Yeah I saw her chasing after the resistance guys, i'm sure she'll be back soon!" or "I don't care." or even "What? She's gone? Huh."
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Jan 25, 2012 16:26
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Affi posted:Well what will he bomb the most out of y'think? "Oh Tsuikoku? Yeah I saw her chasing after the resistance guys, i'm sure she'll be back soon!"
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Jan 25, 2012 17:11
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Wights people. She got fed to her own wights. Ghouls are piddly little two hit dice creatures that paralyze you on touch, and can't affect elves when they do. Wights are more than twice as tough and drain levels from you on touch. If they kill you like that, you become a wight yourself, which is also why Redcloak added the devour the corpse line...not only to destroy the evidence, but because if he didn't Tsukiko would have gotten back up in 1d4 rounds as another wight herself. Which leads to me another important point. We seem to be forgetting Isamu the Ex-Reisistance wight rogue. Who could have been hidden and watching all this the whole time and even now be scurrying off to report what happened to Xykon. After all, we've proven with Niu's escape that Redcloak's Spot is for rear end, probably because of the one eye penalty. So there's still the possibility that Xykon's going to know what the deal is if Isamu tells him. And yeah, I know that Belkar put Isamu down, but we saw Isamu the wight hanging with the rest of the wight crew outside of Tsukiko's chambers when MitD came calling, so presumably she re-reanimated him after the fight.
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Jan 25, 2012 18:04
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The mystery reward for everyone donating $10 is a new Julio Scoundrel story (on top of How the paladin got his scar and backer sponsored stories).
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Jan 25, 2012 20:00
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Zore posted:And True Necromancer is a terrible prestige class for that reason, you're only going to hit level 7 and 6 spells and only a few of them. Most of the worthwhile undead raising spells are high level too, especially things that let you revive powerful humanoids or many hitdie monsters. Mystic Theurge will let you hit level 9 on one side easily and on both sides with minor shenanigens. If you really have to have both full arcane and divine spellcasting what you want to do is somehow cheat the entry requirements for the Beholder Mage prestige class, which is only available to beholders but gives you DOUBLE spellcasting progression. Yes, one level of it gives you the equivalent of two levels of a spellcasting class. (Because being a Beholder at all means you're fairly high level to start, so if they're ever going to get the high-level spells they need to cheat like this.)
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Jan 25, 2012 21:19
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I thought the best way to do the Arcane/Divine Caster Build was Wizard/Ur-Preist/Mystic Theurge. At least thats what you do if you want the full cleric/wizard list. There are boatloads of ways to get 9th level Bard and Druid combos. Edit: http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...n&ct=clnk&gl=us here's a list of ways to do double 9th level spells by 20
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Jan 25, 2012 23:16
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Mostly I just wanted to bring up the very  Beholder Mage PrC.
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Jan 25, 2012 23:24
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Zereth posted:On the other hand you lose everything other than spellcasting progression. Your undead turning ability will stagnate and become useless, and as Redcloak has just shown that's pretty handy. It's even useful for supporting your own already-controlled undead in some situations. Turn undead is incredibly situational, note that this is about the first time we've seen it seriously used and there are two Clerics as main cast members. Now, there are a ton of ways to abuse the poo poo out of turn undead by using it to power certain expensive metamagics, particularly persist which lets all those tasty 1/round per level and 1/minute per level spells last 24 hours. Clerics have a lot of really, really good short term melee buffs. However, since nobody in the comic is ever going to use them for that just prestiging out is not really a bad thing. Even if Tsukiko had stayed a full cleric, she wouldn't have been able to stop Redcloak from murdering her because his Turn Undead is way more powerful than hers would be.
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Jan 25, 2012 23:32
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What? Turn undead saw a lot of use in the Azure City siege. It was even a plot point.
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Jan 25, 2012 23:56
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^^^ drat you, I was sourcing  Zore posted:Turn undead is incredibly situational, note that this is about the first time we've seen it seriously used and there are two Clerics as main cast members. Now, there are a ton of ways to abuse the poo poo out of turn undead by using it to power certain expensive metamagics, particularly persist which lets all those tasty 1/round per level and 1/minute per level spells last 24 hours. Clerics have a lot of really, really good short term melee buffs. Second time, technically - during the attack on Soon's Gate, Redcloak and Jirix used their Rebuke Undead ability to turn positive energy spirits in the same way Turn Undead destroys regular undead.
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Jan 25, 2012 23:57
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I would like to see the wight that has just eaten two other wights that have just eaten a woman. Or no, I don't want to see it. But I can't stop thinking of it either... So they're like any married couple, then. VVVVVVVV Nenonen fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Jan 26, 2012 |
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Jan 26, 2012 00:05
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Really hoping the comic keeps focused on Redcloak and Xykon awhile longer. Considering the events of Start of Darkness, it seemed like Redcloak talking about being the one in control and having Xykon on a leash is something he's trying to convince himself of more than something he really believes.
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Jan 26, 2012 00:16
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Nenonen posted:I would like to see the wight that has just eaten two other wights that have just eaten a woman. Wight of Holding.
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Jan 26, 2012 00:29
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Holy crap Burlew's on a roll this week! Edit: Who the hell is Berlew, I have no idea! MechanicalTomPetty fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Jan 26, 2012 |
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Jan 26, 2012 00:35
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I have to say that it is pretty convenient the way all the goblins that knew of Redcloack's incredibly risky plan keep getting killed by other people just as they outlive their usefulness.
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Jan 26, 2012 00:41
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Man, I'm really enjoying the pace that Rich has going on with his strip releases lately. Also, I'm guessing Redcloak isn't going to ever have to think about explaining Tsukiko, as once Xykon gets the fake phylactery (assuming he doesn't realize it's a fake), they're probably hitting the road for the next gate immediately.
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Jan 26, 2012 00:54
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Huh. So there's no way at all for a lich to recognise its own philactery from a copy when the only difference is the lack of the soul? Seems a little odd to me, but I'm not a D&D guru.
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Jan 26, 2012 00:55
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NihilCredo posted:Huh. So there's no way at all for a lich to recognise its own philactery from a copy when the only difference is the lack of the soul? Seems a little odd to me, but I'm not a D&D guru. I don't think there's anything other than appearance for them to go off of.
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Jan 26, 2012 00:56
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Any magical spells he might try to use to probe it would fail because it's got a thousand-and-one anti-detection spells cast on it.
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Jan 26, 2012 00:58
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I'm assuming his busting his rear end to get the strips out while the Kickstarter's going, so he can maintain the momentum. Either that, or he's hit a stretch where his health issues are in remission for the moment. Either way, enjoy it for as long as it lasts, because I doubt he can maintain this pace indefinitely.
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NihilCredo posted:Huh. So there's no way at all for a lich to recognise its own philactery from a copy when the only difference is the lack of the soul? Seems a little odd to me, but I'm not a D&D guru. Xykon isn't the brightest bulb (He's a sorceror after all). Redcloak has some balls on him though.
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Jan 26, 2012 01:11
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Is the copy also a holy symbol? Becuase it would be really awkward if at some point Xykon expects Redcloak to cast a spell with it.
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Jan 26, 2012 01:14
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The Rooster posted:Is the copy also a holy symbol? Becuase it would be really awkward if at some point Xykon expects Redcloak to cast a spell with it. Probably. IIRC there's no ritual or special thing you have to do to make a holy symbol "yours". You just use it.
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Jan 26, 2012 01:16
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The Rooster posted:Is the copy also a holy symbol? Becuase it would be really awkward if at some point Xykon expects Redcloak to cast a spell with it. It should be - when Redcloak lost the Phylactery to begin with, he went to his study to pick up his backup holy symbol. Now he's back with his original holy symbol, but the backup should still work fine.
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Jan 26, 2012 01:19
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The problem being that if he goes back to wearing the "phylactery", then he would be expected to cast spells with it, and not his backup, that might be suspiscious. Of course, if all three things are Holy Symbols, and you don't need to do anything special to make an object a Holy Symbol, then he's in the clear, with respect to this at least.
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Jan 26, 2012 01:22
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I wonder if that last spell he didn't get to cast will come back to bit him in the rear end.
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Russian Guyovitch posted:Man, I'm really enjoying the pace that Rich has going on with his strip releases lately. Also, I'm guessing Redcloak isn't going to ever have to think about explaining Tsukiko, as once Xykon gets the fake phylactery (assuming he doesn't realize it's a fake), they're probably hitting the road for the next gate immediately. Well all of this has been set up well in advance, so I imagine Rich has had this set of strips forming in the back of his head since whenever the last time we saw the resistance was (what, a year ago?)
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Jan 26, 2012 01:29
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Cliff Racer posted:I wonder if that last spell he didn't get to cast will come back to bit him in the rear end. He wasn't interrupted, there were still more stairs. It was simply cut off to indicate that he was going to be doing that for a little while. Or that's how I read it!
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Jan 26, 2012 01:39
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Captain Oblivious posted:He wasn't interrupted, there were still more stairs. It was simply cut off to indicate that he was going to be doing that for a little while. Same here.
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Jan 26, 2012 01:53
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Oh yeah that makes sense, I thought the crash was interrupting him but it turns out that it was in the next panel over.
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Jan 26, 2012 02:45
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The Rooster posted:Of course, if all three things are Holy Symbols, and you don't need to do anything special to make an object a Holy Symbol, then he's in the clear, with respect to this at least. A Holy Symbol is just that, like a Christian cross and so on are symbols of real-world religions. This is equivalent to him losing his cross/etc, getting a slightly different model that he was wearing for a little while (the back-up holy symbol), but now getting an identical copy of the first sort. The only difference mechanically is that one's also a phylactery and the other isn't.
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I love the joke about it having "Exactly the same scratches. Exactly as I remembered it" when the panel depicts the usual MSpaint-level dongles. I hope we get through the rest of this side arc before the pace slows back down, because these last few strips have been really great.
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NihilCredo posted:Huh. So there's no way at all for a lich to recognise its own philactery from a copy when the only difference is the lack of the soul? Seems a little odd to me, but I'm not a D&D guru. His soul isn't in there now. His soul retreats there when his undead body is destroyed, then proceeds to regenerate a new one for his soul to inhabit.
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