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Pththya-lyi posted:That's exactly what my parents say, and I've only ever known them to voluntarily donate money or resources to my private schools (on top of my tuition). Once they bought a big flat-screen television for a school club that welcomed me, because the club was showing movies on a 17" box and Dad (a bit of a film geek) thought that was so unjust. It's not that I'm not grateful, but do college kids really need to see Galaxy Quest in high-def more than urban schoolchildren need computers? There are so many kids who are only different from the way I was because they don't have rich parents - why do I deserve nice things and they don't? You obviously worked harder, and they are
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I want to go scuba diving with one of these jackholes. You see, if you run out of air, you share air on a second octopus (not the animal) regulator of your buddy. But if your buddy uses too much of his air, by not maintaining his tank properly or loving around underwater, you both loving drown.
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AwkwardKnob posted:I showed him that argument you guys recommended and he responded: So his stupid feel smug about being capitalist analogy is fundamentally flawed? Also, by continuing to associate with someone like this is condoning his behavior.
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Glimm posted:I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to use this response basically verbatim in the future whenever I see the stupid classroom experiment show up in my stream. go right ahead, but please double check the math, i thought of that on the fly
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Cynnik posted:go right ahead, but please double check the math, i thought of that on the fly Math worked out pretty closely, only the 90% should be 86.66 points per student I think. Glimm fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Jan 26, 2012 |
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Jan 26, 2012 04:48
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KiloVictorDongs posted:A friend of mine was pointing out that Obama had raised the national debt more than any other president ever, and as a result we were going to all die in nuclear fire or become gay or whatever it is conservatives currently fear. I responded by saying that it was ok to grow the debt in a recession to offset a lack of private sector demand, but I also recall seeing arguments that the debt doesn't matter floating around here. Is there anything else to say on this? My friend wasn't particularly convinced. I don't think its ok to completely ignore the debt. But basically it boils down to this: Governments can borrow money cheaply. I mean loving crazy cheap, 1-3% interest rates on a 20-30 year loan. They can easily take this money and invest it into the economy through Research, Education, or Infrastructure and get a return on that investment that beats 1-3%. So if the Government balances the budget completely, they're wasting the advantage that they have to help grow the economy more. And its even worse if they run a surplus because it means they're pulling money out of the economy and sitting on it, instead of allowing it to generate economic activity. Ideally, you want to keep the debt at a specific, manageable percentage of GDP. Essentially, you don't want your debt growing faster than your economy because then you're getting into trouble. Part of the problem for people who don't get it, is that they subscribe to the fallacy that Government budgets are like a household budget, and that Government debt is the same as credit card debt. Except its really more similar to college loans. You take a large, low interest loan and use it to get an education that will significantly increase your income over the rest of your life. The long term financial benefits of the loan greatly exceed the near term debt.
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Got this one from my grandfather. Sorry the giant comic sans serif doesn't come through.Brennanite's Grandfather posted:The Pope and Obama are on the same stage in Yankee Stadium in front of a huge crowd! It should not surprise you that he got drunk during the state of the union address and wound up fighting the TV when Obama wouldn't stop talking. 
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Brennanite posted:Got this one from my grandfather. Sorry the giant comic sans serif doesn't come through. http://www.faithinpubliclife.org/ne...ce-and-poverty/ Catholic leadership has been more likely to backhand Republicans, lately.
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Jan 26, 2012 05:31
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Brennanite's Grandfather posted:"This joy will not be a momentary display, but will go deep into their hearts and they'll forever speak of this day and rejoice!" ...for the great era of our Dear Leader hath thence begun, and from that very next day, whence Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr. - purveryor of all things holy - swore the sacred oath of office and led us on our path to enlightenment.
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Jan 26, 2012 06:08
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Everyone here has probably already watched it, but "The surprising truth about what motivates us" is a nice little video to send to people who think that money is what drives people to work harder/better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc
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Soviet Commubot posted:An old Army buddy of mine posted this on Facebook and I don't even know where to start: Tell him there's a few thousand disabled vets out there who want him to stop saying stupid poo poo.
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Idea for ultimately futile counter-image to the comparison of patriotic troops to lazy OWS protestors: "Why is it fine to ask him (soldier) to give his life, but not for him (douchey Gordon Gekko wannabe) to give slightly more taxes?"
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PKJC posted:Seriously, this. It pisses me off so much when people trot out the ideas of either inherent human equality or inequality to defend bootstrapper bullshit like this. For an offhanded analogy this is truly a thing of beauty. Sadly, it'll probably have little to no effect on people who espouse the terrible social views found ITT.
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This picture's been making the rounds today. quote:I greeted President Obama today in Arizona with the intention of talking to him about jobs and the economy.
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Matlock posted:This picture's been making the rounds today. Is she scolding the loving POTUS? Is this bitch serious? 
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The "secure border" slogan is so dumb. Mexico isnt invading. Borders between nations are always porous. People even got through the Berlin Wall.
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euphronius posted:The "secure border" slogan is so dumb. Mexico isnt invading. Borders between nations are always porous. People even got through the Berlin Wall. Kinda related, but are there illegal Canadians here as well, working and living with no papers and such? i literally have never thought about this before
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There are unauthorized immigrants of every nationality in the USA. And there has been since even before the Mayflower landed on Plymouth rock.
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Loving Life Partner posted:Kinda related, but are there illegal Canadians here as well, working and living with no papers and such? i literally have never thought about this before I read a report a few years ago that said Canadians were the largest group of undocumented immigrants in Michigan. I put it on Facebook and a guy from high school I haven't talked to in years blew his loving stack about how it was Mexicans and there was no way that report could be true. I asked him what was wrong with it and he went into some crazy rant about how his grandparents came here legally and it's only Mexicans that cause problems and I defriended him.
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euphronius posted:There is unauthorized immigrants of every nationality in the USA. And there has been since the even before the Mayflower landed on Plymouth rock. I bet not a single one of those "native" americans had a birth certificate.
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Loving Life Partner posted:Kinda related, but are there illegal Canadians here as well, working and living with no papers and such? i literally have never thought about this before There's a documentary about this called Knocked Up
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Riptor posted:There's a documentary about this called Knocked Up 
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Has anyone seen per capita immigration numbers? I wonder if the USA gets more immigrants than other nations per capita.
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euphronius posted:Has anyone seen per capita immigration numbers? I wonder if the USA gets more immigrants than other nations per capita. Wiki says Canada has the most per capita, and there's a link to a source but I didn't feel like reading it to verify
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euphronius posted:Has anyone seen per capita immigration numbers? I wonder if the USA gets more immigrants than other nations per capita. I would imagine rich Middle Eastern countries like Kuwait or the UAE get more per capita as well as apparently Canada noted below.
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Matlock posted:This picture's been making the rounds today. The Obama admin should be a wet dream for people like her. There are fewer illegal immigrants crossing into the US from Mexico now and there are more illegal immigrants being deported than ever before.
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Matlock posted:This picture's been making the rounds today. The thing about that picture is that standing by itself it sends the exact opposite message that she wants. She's wagging her finger at the President and looks out of control, while he's standing calmly
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zeroprime posted:The Obama admin should be a wet dream for people like her. There are fewer illegal immigrants crossing into the US from Mexico now and there are more illegal immigrants being deported than ever before. It would be a wet dream if illegal immigration was actually a real concern and not just a dog whistle.
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So I just got this one from my mom -- I would have expected it from my dad, but hey. The Daily Reckoning(lol) quote:Imagine a bartender. He realizes that his customers have been handing out IOUs all over town — including to him. And he also knows his customers can’t pay. People are beginning to wonder…they’re beginning to discount the IOUs. A crisis is coming… I'm trying to come up with a good response. Right now I'm thinking about saying how this would work out well if the bartender had the ability to print his own money and that most world commerce took place with his printed money, letting him deficit spend and reap the benefits of the Keynesian multiplier. Any thoughts? I want to be witty and I can't be that without the Internet  Just another reducto like "imagine if are country was run like a FAMILY!" that ignores, oh, any evidence to the contrary.
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I do find it so amusing how quickly Libertarians start to hit certain talking points in arguments. It only took three comments for "I bet you think Al Gore invented the internet" to pop up.
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Kim Jong III posted:So I just got this one from my mom -- I would have expected it from my dad, but hey. The beginning premise is wrong. People weren't cashing IOU's all over the place. Banks were encouraging people who couldn't pay it back to take IOU's and then sold those bad IOU's around, telling people they were good IOU's. Beyond that I'm not sure what it's even trying to say. Is the Government the bartender that buys everyone's IOU's?
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Sarion posted:The beginning premise is wrong. People weren't cashing IOU's all over the place. Banks were encouraging people who couldn't pay it back to take IOU's and then sold those bad IOU's around, telling people they were good IOU's. I think that's how I'm supposed to read it -- that the bartender is the Government trying to keep an untenable system working. But it's completely nonsense because it glosses over the difference between government and private debt, so...
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Taerkar posted:I do find it so amusing how quickly Libertarians start to hit certain talking points in arguments. It only took three comments for "I bet you think Al Gore invented the internet" to pop up. The "Al Gore thinks he invented the internet" attack is the most annoying thing, and I like to point people directly to the source http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlco. He says he "created" the internet, which actually is loving true. He sponsored and whipped the bills that paid for laying the fiber backbone of the internet that we all use today back in the late 80's when he was in congress. Eisenhower is frequently credited with creating the interstate highway system, and they're both using created the same way, "to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes." In other words, without Al Gore working to create it, there would be no modern internet on which to bitch about Al Gore talking about how he created the internet 
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MC Nietzche posted:The "Al Gore thinks he invented the internet" attack is the most annoying thing, and I like to point people directly to the source http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFJ8cHAlco. He says he "created" the internet, which actually is loving true. He sponsored and whipped the bills that paid for laying the fiber backbone of the internet that we all use today back in the late 80's when he was in congress. Eisenhower is frequently credited with creating the interstate highway system, and they're both using created the same way, "to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes." In other words, without Al Gore working to create it, there would be no modern internet on which to bitch about Al Gore talking about how he created the internet My preferred response is to point to this take on the whole "Al Gore invented the Internet" thing: Robert Kahn and Vint Cerf posted:Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development. For those unfamiliar, Kahn and Cerf were the co-inventors of the TCP and IP protocols upon which the Internet has been built. If it were possible to point at someone and truthfully say, "this is who invented the Internet", you'd be pointing at them. So if they're going to say that Al Gore's allowed to take credit for the Internet, I think that means Al Gore's allowed to take credit.
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It's just another annoying and disingenuous way to attack Democrats and they've been harping on it for years. The most frequent response from people I get is "I know he said created, but he meant invented." Because Al Gore is an egomaniac, and people are able to read his mind apparently.
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Whatever. Drag up any of the hundreds of dumb things GWB and Reagan said and it becomes fairly clear how loving childish that style of attack is.
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At the shittest golf course in Tampa some clown put the following note over all of the urinals. I tore one down and when I returned a month later it was replaced by another copy. It's free of any reason and I thought I share it in this thread. quote:President Obama has recently appointed a Golf Czar and major rule changes in the game of golf will become effective 01 June 2010. I suppose the Republican version would have a rule like "no drops allowed, if you go out of bounds or into a hazard you should not have gotten there in the first place." The whole skill/smarts = money acquired has so many holes in it I don't see how anyone could fall for it.
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Short and to the Point posted:The whole skill/smarts = money acquired has so many holes in it I don't see how anyone could fall for it. Many people can't really deal with the despair that comes from the realization that "skill/smarts = money" (aka THE AMERICAN DREAM) is a myth perpetuated by people who already have money so they a) look better and b) don't end up with lynch mobs outside their houses. It would be nice if there were a simple, effective way to make the public face up to reality but I doubt such a thing exists.
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Facebook Poster posted:@ Taerkar Where did you study Economics or get experience Managing a Corprate or Government Budget? You seeen to know about as much as a TV News Reader. Ah, the old "I have nothing left to counter your points with so I will attack you" approach. Comes after I pointed out the idiocy around the whole Debt issue. Edit: Same person posted:In my view you need more real life experiences? I co-op my way through undergraduate school and was a Teaching Fellow in graduate school. No Loans and No Debt was uncured along the way. Good luck, but learn to evaluate, and think for yourself; not repeat what you read. Peace! "The Best Governed Is The Least Governed", Thomas Jefferson. Mmm... I need a bingo card. Edit2: quote:Question -- What is the Value Added by the Accounting and Legal Departments to the Tangible Value of the goods and services provided by an Organization or Government Agency? Hmm... A serious question, or a 'I am using big words to try and scare you' attempt? Taerkar fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Jan 27, 2012 |
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Kim Jong III posted:Just another reducto like "imagine if are country was run like a FAMILY!" that ignores, oh, any evidence to the contrary. What's great about this poo poo is that it's exactly what the Physiocrats and Adam Smith demonstrated to be the central flaw in the mercantile system, itself based on Xenophon's Oeconomicus which was about household management and got conflated by dumbasses into being about the successful running of a state. Everything comes full circle.
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