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This update encourages the  in all of us and I love it.My own thoughts on this: Hussie's been pretty clear that he wants to leave things as open-ended and free for for your imagination as possible, so you can go "I wonder what I'd be if I played SBURB...?" He probably is going to stick to just the twelve classes we have now, but he's not going to close off the possibility of there being more. So, if you want to be the Sylph of Heart go ahead, but you could also be the Elf of Spleen. So yeah, now that he's introduced this pairing mechanic he has to know we'll be scrabbling over the story to figure it out, I doubt he'll go "HAH! The pair of Maid is Dude, obviously." We'll probably figure them all out eventually, but here are my guesses: Thief/Rogue: Obvious Heir/Prince: As has been said they inherit their power. Heirs tend to be more self-interested and Princes should be more focused on others. John's been the friend-leader, but his powers of breath have, for the most part, been used in more focused, immediate situations. He's a combat class, he uses breath offensively and directly. Dunno what a prince would do with it (Eridan, clearly, failed/subverted his expected role). Page/Maid: The Knight/Page seems more obvious, but I like this interpretation better. Like UU said the balance between + and - shifts with the classes, so these would probably both be on the + side. But like the other person (sorry forgot your name) already mentioned, a page is more about self growth and adventure, it's the hero's journey, which fits Jake perfectly (plus can you see him in a passive support role?) The only Maid we've really seen so far is Aradia, and she's been using her time powers in a very indirect way, serving as a pyschopomp and aiding the dead (granted she was very active in the fight with the Black King, but even that was a rather indirect method that involved her dying over and over again). Mage/Seer: This one's a bit more obvious. For one thing "mage" as we know it is not an old usage at all, it's an archaic word revived by D&D. It came from magus/magi and meant the Persian priest caste - those able to divine the future from hidden messages and communicate with gods (the -mancy suffix actual means divination, necromancy was using the remains of the dead to see the future). Still, in our minds mages are much more active, shooting fireballs and whatnot. Seers not so much, they keep to the classic divination theme. We haven't seen much of Sollux's use of his powers to suggest "active" in any real sense, but he... well, he shot lasers from his eyes? Maybe it's just because he never got to finish his growth arc and be realized as God Tier, who knows what he'd do afterwords. Sylph/Witch: Sylphes (Sylves? Sylphid?) were made up by Paracelsus and have no real mythology behind them, they're invisible spirits of the air to balance out the other three elementals (gnome, salamander, undine/nymph - if you played the Mana games these would sound familiar!) But because of their association to air they got wound up with fairies and "airy spirits," and from there, obviously, to femininity. So Sylph's probably a female-only class. Both are fantastical and deal with a connection to and manipulation of esoteric and supernatural knowledge. Besides, Kanaya has been a support role pretty consistantly (always an auspistice never a matesprit) and Jade's been very proactive and headstrong - making plans, breeding frogs, dealing with gods, saving planets. It'd be interesting to see space in a service role, too. Knight/Bard: Not as strange as it sounds - they both deal with heroics. Knights make legends and bards tell them. Still not sure how you make rage a support role, and Gamzee's flamboyant aggressiveness seems to go against this, but remember his flipping out was an anomaly and not supposed to happen. Granted that casts Karkat in the support role in order to pap shoosh Gamzee to sanity, and in fact everything about Karkat screams support role. But maybe we have it backwards, knights were supposed to serve after all. And Dave himself said he's no hero, and almost everything he's been doing has been more support-based: making sure the timeline goes properly, that no one fucks up, etc. But all of that was leading towards his own growth arc, and maybe now that he's God Tier he'll be able to become the hero he never thought he could be. Maybe the same was supposed to happen with Karkat (and maybe Gamzee too, he was supposed to learn to be a drat team player). They've said before that the game gives people roles meant to challenge and change them, some more than others it seems. Aaaanyhoo, that's my page o' sperg to join the others.
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QueerPope posted:What if UU is a Carapace person and that's why everything is "of legend"? It was said somewhere that carapace were supposed to remake the planet after it's destroyed and then play the game again, so she could be one of the carapace from one of those worlds. It would also set her in the future and if she just lived on Alternia in the society that was built by SS then she would probably have an Alternian keyboard. Gray hands, not black or white.
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Jan 29, 2012 08:49
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Starmaker posted:page o' sperg By far the worst class available.
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Jan 29, 2012 08:56
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Bongo Bill posted:Gray hands, not black or white. Could be a new, merged chess piece? But most likely a troll.
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Jan 29, 2012 09:16
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Potsticker posted:Could be a new, merged chess piece? If by that you mean, it could be the offspring of a white and black piece, yeah I suppose!! It'd be an amusing fakeout on Hussie's part.
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Jan 29, 2012 09:28
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i was thinking Ectobilogical offspring.
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Jan 29, 2012 09:36
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Starmaker posted:This update encourages the At the risk of turning this into fantroll chat, there's a fairly in depth quiz that uses a few online personality tests (Enneagram and Cattell) to map you onto a title. But anyway, back on topic, my bet is on UU being from the universe eventually to be created by the kids, and is helping to ensure it's created in the first place.
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Jan 29, 2012 11:04
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FewtureMD posted:The thing that gets me is that UU refers to "texts" when discussing Roxy's Void aspect, and combined with what republican posted, is that she has access to a repository of information and writings on the nature of SBURB. How in the hell does a society go about documenting a game that destroys/creates entire universes? I think it's possible that, after this session is completed, the B1+B2 kids write down everything involved with SBurb, like Prospit, Derse, etc, and what and what not to do (like what to do regarding Jack Noir, the God Tier system, don't be a powergaming dick like the Trolls were) in order to ensure that their new universe, and the ones that come after it, will always have the knowledge and strength to beat the game without getting into a situation like the pre-Scratch Trolls did and have to rely on a Scratch in order to start again, which seems to be the way Lord English manifests himself in a universe. That way, they'll always be able to keep LE out of their universes and the new universe(s) will not be able to do really dumb things like trusting Jack Noir too much or ignoring the Genesis Frog until it's too late. Later on, after the kids die heroically/just, go somewhere else or do something that no longer makes them active players in their new universe, they're remembered as legends who helped create the new, LE-free universe and gave the new trolls (or whoever the new dominant species inhabiting the new universe will be) a bigass guide to Sburb in order to make sure that they'll be safe from LE and continue creating universes free from his meddling. quote:What if UU is a Carapace person and that's why everything is "of legend"? It was said somewhere that carapace were supposed to remake the planet after it's destroyed and then play the game again, so she could be one of the carapace from one of those worlds. It would also set her in the future and if she just lived on Alternia in the society that was built by SS then she would probably have an Alternian keyboard. I don't think Spades Slick's little gangster paradise would be very conductive for creating someone as nice as UU. 
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Jan 29, 2012 11:20
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I'm surprised no-one's mentioned that if UU is being truthful here, the bifurcation theory of ectobiology seems to have taken a fairly major hit. How can Rose be Roxy's daughter if Roxy is just a direct copy of Mom, created by John, and the post-Scratch kids don't do any ectobiology themselves? I think we might be right back to the theory that the pre- and post-Scratch kids created each other and each other's guardians in a Mobius double reacharound. (Not that this is my pet theory or anything, you understand.) Also, if that is in fact the case, I love this line: quote:UU: if yoU play the game, yoU will meet yoUr daUghter.
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Jan 29, 2012 13:15
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She's saying that she'll meet Rose. Rose from A was her daughter. Roes from B was her mother. It's all one Rose to meet.
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Jan 29, 2012 13:19
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pumpinglemma posted:How can Rose be Roxy's daughter if Roxy is just a direct copy of Mom, created by John, and the post-Scratch kids don't do any ectobiology themselves? e:d;b
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Yeah, Roxy doesn't really seem to have a clear picture of the ectobiological situation, other than that ectobiology was involved in some fashion; and UU doesn't relate terribly well to how human reproduction works in the first place. In any case, with or without the bifurcation assumption Rose is Roxy's "daughter" only in the sense that half of her genetic material was contributed by paradox slime based on another instance of Roxy. I agree it's almost certain that the lines quoted all refer to meeting B1 Rose, rather than to prototyping the remains of B2 Rose, wherever those might be. UU is just being impish. It'll be funny when Roxy figures that one out. Incidentally, does anyone have any idea what Roxy needs to appearify vegetables for? I suppose maybe she's just trying to eat healthy and avoid processed foods, for fear of the Batterwitch's influence. Or something. Hamiltonian Bicycle fucked around with this message at 13:27 on Jan 29, 2012 |
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:Yeah, Roxy doesn't really seem to have a clear picture of the ectobiological situation, other than that ectobiology was involved in some fashion; and UU doesn't relate terribly well to how human reproduction works in the first place. She's on her own, no guardian. Possibly she needs to appearify things to eat.
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Jan 29, 2012 14:00
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I think Jake's pumpkins have been single-handedly feeding half the cast across time and space.
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QueerPope posted:So I think that Roxy's "Robinhood of Void" title is going to be about her stealing the lack of information from enemies and giving it to allies. So revealing information about Lord English while preventing him from knowing what's going on with our heroes? I'm still holding out hope for UU being good, but if she does turn out to be evil I certainly hope it's after she's given a good deal more exposition about SBurb and the individual roles of players. Will be interesting if she has anything to say to the B1 Kids and remaining Trolls, too.
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UU seems too sincere and good-natured to be an outright antagonist. Like she actually seems to care about the kids. I guess it could all be a ruse but the way she got flustered with Roxy indicates she's pretty young and inexperienced. There's unfortunately a lot of signs pointing to her being less than benign, though. Right now my feeling is that she'll probably be well-intentioned but ultimately harmful, sort of like how Karkat was ill-intentioned but ultimately... well, he's not an antagonist at least. I dunno, UU is pretty much the biggest mystery in the comic right now. It's amazing how he solved one huge one (LE's identity) and created a new one within days.
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Jan 29, 2012 14:59
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It's weird, because UU seems to behave like she already knows all about the comic's various adventures. She refers to characters as famous and seems to have gone to a lot of trouble to connect herself to them. It's almost like those holodeck episodes of the TNG, where a crewmember would hang out with a bunch of historical famous people and drop smug little "I know what's in your future" comments while the hologram was oblivious. UU reads like a comic fan that has somehow gotten into the comic.
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Bobulus posted:It's weird, because UU seems to behave like she already knows all about the comic's various adventures. She refers to characters as famous and seems to have gone to a lot of trouble to connect herself to them. Remember when all those lovely fantrolls became irrevocably canon? Remember how every other fantroll is ~the 13th troll~? The Word of Huss has far-reaching consequences.
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There is a slight fan-fiction tenor to UU, now that you mention it. Like, if you asked the average reader to add a character to the story they'd do it in the form of a troll who knows everything and is everyone's friend and goes for a very easy typing gimmick (capital U! Perfect!). Maybe it's just a natural reaction against seeing a new troll character (player?) added this late to the story, which sort of apes the fan-art/fan-fiction cliche of sticking someone new in where they didn't necessarily need to be.
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Dolash posted:Like, if you asked the average reader to add a character to the story they'd do it in the form of a troll who knows everything and is everyone's friend and goes for a very easy typing gimmick (capital U! Perfect!). Hell, I think the average reader did this even without being asked. Any bets on UU's strife specibus being 2XKATANAKIND?
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Starmaker posted:Lots and lots of words Only problems I have with this theory are that Aradia said Knight was "a powerful combat class" which implies a Active class to me, which would mean if you are right the kids team is 3 active and 1 passive, and I think they are more likely to have an even balance of the two.
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Bobulus posted:It's weird, because UU seems to behave like she already knows all about the comic's various adventures. She refers to characters as famous and seems to have gone to a lot of trouble to connect herself to them. So what you're saying is that this character is a combination and the personification of every single fantroll that ever existed.
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Gabriel Pope posted:Hell, I think the average reader did this even without being asked. I'm hoping for STARKIND to round out the communist symbol trifecta.
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Dolash posted:There is a slight fan-fiction tenor to UU, now that you mention it. Like, if you asked the average reader to add a character to the story they'd do it in the form of a troll who knows everything and is everyone's friend and goes for a very easy typing gimmick (capital U! Perfect!). Maybe it's just a natural reaction against seeing a new troll character (player?) added this late to the story, which sort of apes the fan-art/fan-fiction cliche of sticking someone new in where they didn't necessarily need to be. I like this theory. Hussie's already got the author insert, why not an audience/fan insert as well? Hopefully there's a good thematic rationale behind it, at least.
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Prison Warden posted:Only problems I have with this theory are that Aradia said Knight was "a powerful combat class" which implies a Active class to me, which would mean if you are right the kids team is 3 active and 1 passive, and I think they are more likely to have an even balance of the two. Ah, but the kids team doesn't comprise of 4 players anymore. We've got a Maid, Page, Prince and Rogue now too. Plenty of ways the Alpha kids could have 3 passive and 1 active class, or if we count the remaining trolls into it minimalist posted:
Given that at the start players were the ones giving commands, and exile terminals (like the one UU is typing at) were shown to be used to make commands like that, this might actually be a thing. UU is the reader, and all this speculation on classes is fanfic.
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Slime posted:Given that at the start players were the ones giving commands, and exile terminals (like the one UU is typing at) were shown to be used to make commands like that, this might actually be a thing. UU is the reader, and all this speculation on classes is fanfic. Oh my God that makes so much sense. Mocha Caveman posted:At the risk of turning this into fantroll chat, there's a fairly in depth quiz that uses a few online personality tests (Enneagram and Cattell) to map you onto a title. Breath is such a boring aspect. Neat little test though, if only for introducing me to Enneagrams (how did I never stumble upon this earlier) Starmaker fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Jan 29, 2012 |
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http://ib.skaia.net/post/view/37187 Which goon made this flier? Because I remember choosing the panels somehow. It's in my post history somewhere. Also, since I'm probably not coming back for a while, I'd like to mention my favorite Homestuck fanfic: http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?41880 pidgeon fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jan 29, 2012 |
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Mocha Caveman posted:At the risk of turning this into fantroll chat, there's a fairly in depth quiz that uses a few online personality tests (Enneagram and Cattell) to map you onto a title. This is actually pretty fun. The background picture for that Tumblr is pretty, uh, interesting.
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Starmaker posted:Breath is such a boring aspect. I'm either Karkat or a Mage of that aspect. Inconclusive results, the second makes more sense but hey, Karkat. Fun little test.
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Rasamune posted:I'm hoping for STARKIND to round out the communist symbol trifecta. Wasn't Sollux's strife deck full of throwing stars that he discardest in favor of psionics business? Sollux x Karkat x John confirmed for writing gristTorrent, the people's program. Besides, I'm betting on UU using Knifekind just to fit in with the whole British theme of hers.
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I hope UU is both the Handmaiden as well as a stand-in for every fan troll. My mind rationalizes on the basis that Hussie:Fans::English:Handmaiden. Or something like that. It would be funny.
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piemanmoo posted:Wasn't Sollux's strife deck full of throwing stars that he discardest in favor of psionics business? Sollux x Karkat x John confirmed for writing gristTorrent, the people's program. Nah, his strifekind was totally empty and he sliced it in half with the throwing stars... that he had lying around because he's a goony goon goon. And UU as an audience stand in is a fantastic idea.
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It's... done, maybe? A theme for the Auto-Responder, and my third submission: Leave a Message at the Beat. More subdued and calculated than Dave, but yet more brash and overall less mature than Dirk, I put in bits of Beatdown with a softer sounding lead, though most of it is original. 
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NO LISTEN TO ME posted:Leave a Message at the Beat. This is fantastic and you're fantastic. 
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Jan 29, 2012 22:28
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That's pretty rad, it sounds like the music that would play under the dialogue right before a boss battle.
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Guys I just have to bring this to your attention. I can't decide which is funnier, Maplehoof, John's "what the gently caress" expression, Karkat's  , Vriska's  , or Terezi's... Terezi.edit: oh and also this is canon  yessssss Well Manicured Man fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Jan 30, 2012 |
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Well Manicured Man posted:HUUUUUUSSSSSIEEEEEEEEE  (the faces on the wings are a nice touch though)
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Well Manicured Man posted:
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I take the codpiece to mean that Gamzee is the successful player character in Bard Quest? Also, that Star Wars poster is something out of my nerdiest most awesome dreams.
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That star wars request was awfully specific about what he wanted. Hussie came up with an awesome result though.
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