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Jan 30, 2012 14:50
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IL-2 has cultivated my love of that plane. You know you have a good plane on your hands when people reliably pick it over late war spits and ponies. If only the engine wasn't so eager to give up its oil supply to the atmosphere when hit by any caliber round including the .303 peashooters on the Zero.GnarlyCharlie4u posted:"-Hey Chief, we're out of the steel oil fittings -That's fine, we just got a shipment of glass ones in. Just use those." dayman fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Jan 30, 2012 |
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Jan 30, 2012 16:36
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dayman posted:IL-2 has cultivated my love of that plane. You know you have a good plane on your hands when people reliably pick it over late war spits and ponies. If only the engine wasn't so eager to give up its oil supply to the atmosphere when hit by any caliber round including the .303 peashooters on the Zero. I did a cursory google search to see the specs on the planes. I was less than satisfied with the results.  Sigh.
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Jan 30, 2012 16:45
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Searching for Airacobra will yield better results. Also, the P-39 and P-40 are not the same thing.
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Jan 30, 2012 16:51
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The P-40 was famous for being a jack-of-all-trades plane of sorts. It could dive well (obviously not like the P-51), it was a decent performer at high altitude (especially when compared to other early war planes), and it was perhaps the best high speed turning plan in the war (in my experience it can out turn anything at speeds b/w 400-480 kph.) Coupled with 6 50-caliber guns in the M variant, it made the plane an excellent dogfighter. It's weaknesses were its fragile engine like I already mentioned, low P/W ratio when compared to late war craft, and lower armor (again compared to late war planes). To qualify my statement, this plane is preferred in IL-2 because engagements most commonly come in the form of turning fights, or will inevitably devolve to them since many servers allow external views so boom-and-zoom on targets is not easy (the preferred method of kill for planes like the P-51 and P-47). In reality, the P-40's power deficit would have been a much greater liability. edit: Compared to the P-51, the P-40's engine fragility wasn't that bad. Early water-cooled merlin's were just as fragile with their unprotected/exposed radiator. dayman fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Jan 30, 2012 |
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Jan 30, 2012 18:33
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MagnumHB posted:Searching for Airacobra will yield better results. Also, the P-39 and P-40 are not the same thing. Don't worry Apollo doesn't know how to use the google.
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Jan 30, 2012 18:43
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I had no idea it was the Airacobra! Whoops!
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Jan 30, 2012 18:56
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Captain Apollo posted:I had no idea it was the Airacobra! Whoops! That's because it isn't. Those pics are of various models of the Curtiss P-40 Tomahawk, not a Bell P-39 Airacobra.
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Jan 30, 2012 22:01
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The P-40 was called the Warhawk in US service.
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Jan 30, 2012 22:06
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MrChips posted:That's because it isn't. No dude, he spelled it air cobra, nor airacobra in the posted google search up there. He's not talking about those P-40s.
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Jan 30, 2012 22:07
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Ah, the Bell Airacobra... famous for being the world's first and only mid-engined warbird.
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Jan 30, 2012 22:08
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Tsuru posted:Ah, the Bell Airacobra... famous for being the world's first and only mid-engined warbird. If I could take just a moment on how fantastic this plane is to fly in simulation. If you can avoid a flat spin, it's absolutely deadly. It also holds the honor of being the first allied fighter with tricycle gear and the first to have large parts of the airframe designed around a gun, much like the a-10. In this case it was 37mm autocannon. Boomski! Oddly, it wasn't well liked among allied pilots (they tended to like mg equipped planes with plenty of ammo), but the Russians loved it, ordered a ton.
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Jan 30, 2012 22:14
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co199 posted:Look at 'dat fuckin' SPAD. You, too, are a gentleman and a scholar. I love all attack aircraft, but the Skyraider holds a special place in my heart.
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Jan 30, 2012 22:24
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dayman posted:Oddly, it wasn't well liked among allied pilots (they tended to like mg equipped planes with plenty of ammo), but the Russians loved it, ordered a ton. Last time the P-39 came up wasn't there some discussion about how it kind of sucked for all the high-altitude escort missions the western allies were running, but the eastern front was basically the perfect theater for it?
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Jan 30, 2012 23:10
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The cannon muzzle velocity was like shortbus slow and as a result the reflector sight could either put the cannon rounds on target or the MG rounds on target but probably not both. You're right about the Eastern Front being a constant low-level furball though. I believe that the P39 was not well suited to high altitude combat due to a single-stage supercharger.
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Jan 30, 2012 23:26
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:You, too, are a gentleman and a scholar. I love all attack aircraft, but the Skyraider holds a special place in my heart. Skyraiders own. Although I don't know if I like the AF SEA camo,  (2625x1725) Navy white,  (3456x2304) or Marine blue.  (2766x1979)
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Jan 31, 2012 00:18
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The AF also had a paint scheme similar to the Navy one you posted.
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Jan 31, 2012 00:55
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Things I've learned lately from "Wings of Russia": The Il-2 armored sections were a unibody design. At 1:27 you can see an example of a IL-2 operating in primitive conditions Tu-16 Badgers, when they first dropped the atomic bomb, were painted with a white anti-flash paint. This didn't stop the deterioration of the fuselage after an atomic blast from turning into a brittle cardboard-like substance you could put your finger through Early Russian attack planes were made without fancy fripperies such as 'insulation' for the crew in -40 C weather The Pe-2 attack bomber is the most successful aircraft ever developed by convicts e: for strange Russian narrator grammar Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Jan 31, 2012 |
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Jan 31, 2012 01:14
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Whoa, didn't know anybody else was watching Wings of Russia. Got the whole series off a torrent since I didn't think to check youtube. It's really a fantastic complement to the old Wings of the Red Star eps, taking the opposite viewpoint. I like the honesty about some of the failings of the designs, even if theres still a twinge of home-team pride evident. Also "To ahhlll those whooo devoted thar liEEVves to... ahh-vee-ayye-shun."
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Jan 31, 2012 01:21
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Godholio posted:The AF also had a paint scheme similar to the Navy one you posted. Ayup:  That's the actual Skyraider Bernard Fisher was flying on March 10th, 1966, in the A Shau Valley. He was just a bit of a badass that day.  From his Medal of Honor citation: quote:For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. On that date, the special forces camp at A Shau was under attack by 2,000 North Vietnamese Army regulars. Hostile troops had positioned themselves between the airstrip and the camp. Other hostile troops had surrounded the camp and were continuously raking it with automatic weapons fire from the surrounding hills. The tops of the 1,500-foot hills were obscured by an 800 foot ceiling, limiting aircraft maneuverability and forcing pilots to operate within range of hostile gun positions, which often were able to fire down on the attacking aircraft. During the battle, Maj. Fisher observed a fellow airman crash land on the battle-torn airstrip. In the belief that the downed pilot was seriously injured and in imminent danger of capture, Maj. Fisher announced his intention to land on the airstrip to effect a rescue. Although aware of the extreme danger and likely failure of such an attempt, he elected to continue. Directing his own air cover, he landed his aircraft and taxied almost the full length of the runway, which was littered with battle debris and parts of an exploded aircraft. While effecting a successful rescue of the downed pilot, heavy ground fire was observed, with 19 bullets striking his aircraft. In the face of the withering ground fire, he applied power and gained enough speed to lift-off at the overrun of the airstrip. Here's an unrelated Haze Grey USAF Skyraider picture:  And here's a painting of another group of Skyraider badasses:  That would be the VA-195 "Dambusters" striking the Hwacheon Dam in Korea...with torpedoes.
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Jan 31, 2012 07:27
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My favorite Skyraider story is still (although that rescue is giving it a run...) the dude that somehow managed to score a MiG-17 kill in one.
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Jan 31, 2012 12:47
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Not a photoshop. http://community.warplanes.com/2007/08/01/sani-flush-toilet-bomb/
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Jan 31, 2012 13:05
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Anyone own Dassault stock? India just selected the Rafale for their MRCA contract/contest.
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Jan 31, 2012 15:52
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That Medal of Honor citation is incredible, had never heard that story before. Stunning bravery. A Skyraider can even knock a Mustang out of the sky, all it takes is a chunk of wing.  (Guessing you all know about it since it wasn't too long ago it was featured in this thread) If you want to see a great doc about a Skyraider pilot, look no further than this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0145046/ It doesn't pander much to airplane nerds, but it's a powerful story about a very remarkable person.
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Jan 31, 2012 17:04
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movax posted:Anyone own Dassault stock? India just selected the Rafale for their MRCA contract/contest. India sure did a good job drawing that sale out for their own political gain, and I mean that seriously. In reality, there was no doubt they were buying the Rafale ever since the Mirage 2000 line closed... but they got to see exactly what everyone elses equipment was capable of, and just how much they were willing to bend to India's desires to work with them. Well played. Also, this really saves the Rafale and Dassaults rear end. Cygni fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Jan 31, 2012 |
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Jan 31, 2012 18:26
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The Rafale is a very pretty plane so this makes me glad. I really don't know too much about it aside from that
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Jan 31, 2012 20:53
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This article raised my opinion/knowledge of the Rafale quite a bit. Pretty good read.
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Jan 31, 2012 21:31
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iyaayas01 posted:
When I met him in 99 or so, he was wearing a leopard-print tuxedo jacket that his wife made to our dining out. Still a badass. The highway right outside Hill AFB's main gate is named for him.
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Jan 31, 2012 21:41
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MagnumHB posted:This article raised my opinion/knowledge of the Rafale quite a bit. Pretty good read. Yes but stealth Stealth LO STEALTH STEALTH 
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Jan 31, 2012 22:31
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MagnumHB posted:This article raised my opinion/knowledge of the Rafale quite a bit. Pretty good read. Thanks, this was a good article. Somebody should tell Lockheed that the Rafale seemingly has all the electronic doodads the F-35 has, except that they work. Throatwarbler posted:Yes but stealth Stealth LO STEALTH STEALTH *NOT FIFTH GENERATION*
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Jan 31, 2012 23:29
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Nebakenezzer posted:Thanks, this was a good article. Somebody should tell Lockheed that the Rafale seemingly has all the electronic doodads the F-35 has, except that they work. Not quite. But the Rafale is a capable bird, for sure. And for stealth ops, remember that the Indian Air Force will have PAK-FA, too. The future Indian air force is an odd ball group, but pretty drat capable. PAK-FA, 270 Su-30MKI, 120 Rafale, 200 Tejas, spattering of naval MiG-29K and upgraded ground based models, and however many Mirage 2000 and Jaguar they end up keeping once PAK-FA arrives. Considering their concern areas (Pakistan and China), being that equipped makes sense. Not many air forces in the world will be able to field anything close to that.
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Feb 1, 2012 00:00
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Godholio posted:The first guy to get grabbed by this was an AF lieutenant. He got an Air Medal for it. Ah yes, the days when Air Medals meant something. I have gotten twice that for sleeping over Afghanistan.
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Feb 1, 2012 00:35
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MagnumHB posted:This article raised my opinion/knowledge of the Rafale quite a bit. Pretty good read. That guy has an amazing job.
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Feb 1, 2012 00:37
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xaarman posted:Ah yes, the days when Air Medals meant something. I have gotten twice that for sleeping over Afghanistan. It's always been nothing more than aerial commendation medal. We just give all such medals out a little more freely these days. If you see one with a "V" on it, that was earned by something more intense than just being away from home for 4-6 months and doing your job without loving up too bad.
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Feb 1, 2012 01:30
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Nebakenezzer posted:The Rafale is a very pretty plane so this makes me glad. Are all Rafales carrier capable? That would be nice for India as well, as they're in the carrier biz as well.
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Feb 1, 2012 04:38
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Not all, but there is a carrier variant, the "M" model. The Rafale is a great aircraft, but at the end of the day France bailed on the Eurofighter project so they could basically build their own Super Hornet because they weren't going to get a big enough piece of the EF pie. There's nothing that it does best (not even comparing with the F-22).
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Feb 1, 2012 04:47
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Godholio posted:Not all, but there is a carrier variant, the "M" model. It is "cheap" though, and I think India gets full tech transfer as well. Apparently just in terms of raw air assets, India is 5th right now. Forgot that Thailand is up there. I wonder how they do maintenance wise on their Su-30s; aren't many air forces out there with Russian planes that also have money to train and maintain the planes. e: huh Wiki says Su-30MKIs are $32.2 million a piece, but no idea what that cost does or doesn't factor in. movax fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Feb 1, 2012 |
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Feb 1, 2012 04:57
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Godholio posted:Not all, but there is a carrier variant, the "M" model. it looks loving awesome
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Feb 1, 2012 05:03
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Godholio posted:France bailed on the Eurofighter project so they could basically build their own Super Hornet because they weren't going to get a big enough piece of the EF pie. I think not killing Dassault was a pretty drat good reason to bail on Typhoon. And I'm not sure what to make of the Super Hornet comparison. Unless I'm misreading you, that seems to imply it's somehow inferior to the Typhoon, and I've seen nothing to suggest that.
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Feb 1, 2012 05:08
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Also the fact that Typhoon spent years as an expensive paperweight before Tranche 2 gave it any real usability. It still doesn't have the ability to drop bombs in the goddamn rain for chrissake, and it's history of delays and horrific deployment/development speeds have vindicated the French decision. Hell, some countries are now stuck with oddball early-block Tranche 1 aircraft that can't physically be upgraded to Tranche 2 or take any of the software updates, so they will never have any air to ground capability nor compatibility with modern missiles or data links. They can essentially shoot sidewinders and that's it. I mean it's clearly fast and maneuverable and awesome as poo poo in most ways, but if the Eurofighter partners (and A400M partners, for that matter) knew what they know now, they would have all probably walked away from the very start. Not that they have a monopoly on incredibly late, overpriced, underwhelming developments. LCS, EFV, etc. 
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Feb 1, 2012 05:39
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