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Quantum of Phallus posted:Anyone feel a bit disappointed by the last coupe of Scalped trades? Felt to me like one or two issues of main story padded with merely decent side-stories. I dunno, I kinda liked learning more about some of the side players. Man, the Unwanted arc in volume 7 broke my heart too. Carol overhearing Shunka and Red Crow talking about her was a trip to frown town. That scene was pretty beautifully laid out and came as a surprise for a lot of reasons. It's kind of nice that Carol actually feels like a real character these days. Also Dash wore a really nice sweater in that arc and his dad didn't even get to see it... The Nitz story in volume 8 felt really out of tune, but it also had Dash dragging Falls Down back to town like a goddamn champion of the universe after Catcher shot him the gently caress up. It's kind of funny with how violent the book is that saving a dude's life was the most  moment of the entire series.
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I'm with Parliament of Dogs, other than the Nitz story (the deus ex machina there seemed a little ridiculous, otherwise it was another awesome story) I've been enjoying the hell out of the last few trades. The most recent issue was amazing. The epic Dash/Shunka fight that's been brewing for 55 issues finally comes and god drat was it worth the wait. choobs fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Jan 26, 2012 |
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I think I'm a trade or two behind on Scalped, but when I started I thought it'd be one of the crappy modern anti-hero stories, with Dash just frowning a lot and saying he doesn't like people while acting like a real hero in every other way. I am so glad I am so wrong. Maybe it is because I read the trades, but it was a bit jarring recently when it really just dropped Dash and went off to deal with the other characters doing their own thing. It works, but Scalped really defies expectations in so many ways.
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choobs posted:The most recent issue was amazing. The epic Dash/Shunka fight that's been brewing for 55 issues finally comes and god drat was it worth the wait. Maybe spoiler that? I dunno. Lots of people reading through trades here.
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I just finished reading American Vampire #23. Skinner Sweet is back from the dead  Why, Snyder, why? I thought you were a better writer than this! cyberpunksurvivor fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Jan 26, 2012 |
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I mean he was never shown to be explicitly dead, gold poisons them it doesn't end them. Just look at Hattie for example. I am going to wait before I pass judgement on him until I see either how he survived or the twist that it isn't him. It's also pretty obvious who Travis is I am pretty drat sure he's the son of Cash, I suppose Felicia had to ditch him after he was cured
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JackDarko posted:I mean he was never shown to be explicitly dead, gold poisons them it doesn't end them. Just look at Hattie for example. I am going to wait before I pass judgement on him until I see either how he survived or the twist that it isn't him. Yeah, but remember Hattie's jaw was sliced. If the gold star was used to crack her skull open or stab her in the heart it should've killed her. Her words, not mine. Oh, and we saw Pearl stab Skinner in the heart with a gold dagger and the island nuked. Even if gold would just poison them, the blast should've finished him off. And yeah, I agree with your theory. Travis Kidd must be Cash's kid.
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cyberpunksurvivor posted:Yeah, but remember Hattie's jaw was sliced. If the gold star was used to crack her skull open or stab her in the heart it should've killed her. Her words, not mine. I don't think it hit him there, looking at the page it looks like he was stabbed in the chest, and he could have crawled into a hole of some sort. I guess Nukes don't kill vampires?
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So I see American Vampire 22 is marked on the cover as a "New Storyline." Is this at all a good place to jump into the series, or would I end up being lost and confused? I really regret missing out on the beginning, so eventually I would catch up in trades.
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Staircase posted:So I see American Vampire 22 is marked on the cover as a "New Storyline." Yes. So far there's a very tiny amount of backstory that you've missed that seems relevant but mostly it is a very good jumping on point for a very very good series.
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Staircase posted:So I see American Vampire 22 is marked on the cover as a "New Storyline." And Snyder has gone on record that he'll be making more AV miniseries Wonder who'll be the new focus?
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fnordcircle posted:Another Vertigo question - since I'm still new to it. I hear a lot about the titles that people love but I'm wondering are there any titles that people just hate? That I might want to avoid as I go about prioritizing which titles to get a full run? The one vertigo title I hear people complain about a lot is Fables. Even then, it starts out nice enough, but Willingham didn't have the common sense to retire the series when the primary antagonist was defeated. It's been puttering around doing nothing for the last few years.
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Nuns with Guns posted:The one vertigo title I hear people complain about a lot is Fables. Even then, it starts out nice enough, but Willingham didn't have the common sense to retire the series when the primary antagonist was defeated. It's been puttering around doing nothing for the last few years. Also when he sticks into his conservative beliefs like how great Israel is.
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bobkatt013 posted:Also when he sticks into his conservative beliefs like how great Israel is. Or subtle jokes like how abortion is for savage "natives" and such. Willingham's kind of a jerk, it ruined the series for me.
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bobkatt013 posted:Also when he sticks into his conservative beliefs like how great Israel is. Mister Roboto posted:Or subtle jokes like how abortion is for savage "natives" and such. Yeah he does both these things a couple times. So if you can stomach Willingham's stupid political posturing they're okay for a bit before he shits the bed and refuses to change the sheets.
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Nuns with Guns posted:The one vertigo title I hear people complain about a lot is Fables. Even then, it starts out nice enough, but Willingham didn't have the common sense to retire the series when the primary antagonist was defeated. Or to realise that he's nowhere near as clever or subtle as he thinks he is. I mean, did anyone not figure out who the Adversary was years before the big "reveal"?
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Jedit posted:I mean, did anyone not figure out who the Adversary was years before the big "reveal"? I figured it out when a friend was describing the bare bones of the plot for the first trade.
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Mister Roboto posted:Or subtle jokes like how abortion is for savage "natives" and such. I know about the Israel bits, but where did he make jabs on abortion?
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cyberpunksurvivor posted:I know about the Israel bits, but where did he make jabs on abortion? It was when Totenkinder was bragging about her increase in power to Baba Yaga. The sacrifice of the unborn was fueling her.
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Soonmot posted:It was when Totenkinder was bragging about her increase in power to Baba Yaga. The sacrifice of the unborn was fueling her. Also the doctor asks Rose if she want to get an abortion and she goes off on him as that something that the non fables do. Also they have no taxes and survive off donations.
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I'll say the same thing I usually do whenever Fable comes up. I think people are over-exaggerating things about Fables, because they are upset about how the series turned to crap when it didn't end when it should have. I mean the fable government not taxing anybody is definitely not portrayed as a good thing in the series. They constantly had to beg people for money and were always in debt. The ultimate solution to the problem was just straight up killing a dude and stealing all his riches.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:I'll say the same thing I usually do whenever Fable comes up. I think people are over-exaggerating things about Fables, because they are upset about how the series turned to crap when it didn't end when it should have. Yeah, the biggest problem with Fables is that it had a few bright spots in the beginning, and then I slogged through another 50 issues waiting for those bright spots to come back, but it never got better than bland. Animal Farm was pretty firmly in his conservative anti-communist ideals too, but it was actually a good arc so nobody cares.
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StumblyWumbly posted:Yeah, the biggest problem with Fables is that it had a few bright spots in the beginning, and then I slogged through another 50 issues waiting for those bright spots to come back, but it never got better than bland. What I really disliked was Willingham's response to the criticism of his blatant proselytizing. If he'd shown any remorse or admitted maybe he went too far, then it'd be understandable...but no, he was "I'm not apologizing for 'the characters' political views. They shouldn't be ashamed of them." Like, come on, no one's fooled. It really soured the series for me and thus the tapering-off of the quality wasn't excusable. I think it was about the time Jack of Fables changed from "lovable rogue" to "murdering rapist" was the time Willingham and his staff went off the deep end.
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Propaganda exists all over. Is the issue that you find his propaganda obvious to the point of detracting from the story or that you don't agree with it? I've never read Fables, so I have no frame of reference here. I'm just mindful of the fact that sometimes people are fine with something if they agree with it.
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fnordcircle posted:Propaganda exists all over. Is the issue that you find his propaganda obvious to the point of detracting from the story or that you don't agree with it? This was the climax to the story 
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fnordcircle posted:Propaganda exists all over. Is the issue that you find his propaganda obvious to the point of detracting from the story or that you don't agree with it? I don't necessarily disagree with him, nor would I be so petty so as to stop reading someone I disagreed with. There's a fine line between having characters be characters versus your own mouthpieces. I still read it if I have the chance (library and such) but I definitely am not collecting it nor is its decline in quality excusable.
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fnordcircle posted:Propaganda exists all over. Is the issue that you find his propaganda obvious to the point of detracting from the story or that you don't agree with it? In the big confrontation between the Big Bad Wolf and the Adversary, Big goes off on a 1 page speech on how awesome Israel is. It was poo poo, and it would have been poo poo if it was a justification for single payer healthcare and gay marriage. It is true that Willingham being a jerk doesn't win him any fans, but if I had a choice between making him liberal and making him write better dialog, it would be the dialog all the way. His plots and motivations are good enough, but his characters all have the same voice and that voice is exposition.
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I think if there's one moment that fully solidified my hatred of Fables and Willingham it was when he had a shitfit a couple years ago at SDCC over the fact that there might be people in the audience that were just sitting through his panel because they really just wanted to see the next panel. He was a loving child about the whole thing and went so far as to describe what a book is and how it worked in a demeaning fashion. The whole thing just soured me to Fables and anything he's done.
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bobkatt013 posted:This was the climax to the story Is this real  ?
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Is this real It's real, though it's compressed slightly. Here's the full image with the speakers visible: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iD9hvznZye8/St4Z-R4JFhI/AAAAAAAAAAs/zlgEVEW-zi0/s1600-h/fables_050-23.jpg
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Nuns with Guns posted:The one vertigo title I hear people complain about a lot is Fables. Even then, it starts out nice enough, but Willingham didn't have the common sense to retire the series when the primary antagonist was defeated. It's been puttering around doing nothing for the last few years. Vertigo doesn't have a clear "flagship" title without Fables and it's spinoffs. Even if Willingham wanted to end it (he doesn't he knows he won't land another profile gig anywhere) Vertigo will convince him to stay on. All the other big series had an end in sight and the writers knew when to bow out. Willingham is like that party guest who just won't leave even thought everyone else is gone and you're ready to go to sleep.
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Rhyno posted:Vertigo doesn't have a clear "flagship" title without Fables and it's spinoffs. Even if Willingham wanted to end it (he doesn't he knows he won't land another profile gig anywhere) Vertigo will convince him to stay on. All the other big series had an end in sight and the writers knew when to bow out. Willingham is like that party guest who just won't leave even thought everyone else is gone and you're ready to go to sleep. What do you call Hellblazer
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bobkatt013 posted:What do you call Hellblazer A book that gets no press and is literally only still going because it's been around so long. Time Warner wanted to cancel it and restart it as Constantine back when the film was released. Karen Berger fought it tooth and nail because she knew that if they relaunched it with a new #1 there would be no saving it when sales dropped. Hellblazer is anything but a flagship book, especially since John Constantine is now back in the main DCU.
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fnordcircle posted:Propaganda exists all over. Is the issue that you find his propaganda obvious to the point of detracting from the story or that you don't agree with it? Even if you can tolerate Willingham's point of view, the slow death of the series is a bigger concern. That's why I mentioned the writing before Willingham's (repellant) personality and political position. All packaged together though, it's almost an interesting train wreck. Except for the comic itself; that's just dull.
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Nuns with Guns posted:Even if you can tolerate Willingham's point of view, the slow death of the series is a bigger concern. That's why I mentioned the writing before Willingham's (repellant) personality and political position. All packaged together though, it's almost an interesting train wreck. Lets not forget he is responcible for War Games and Spoiler being tortured to death in it. Then when people complained about it he basicly told them to go gently caress themselves
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bobkatt013 posted:Lets not forget he is responcible for War Games and Spoiler being tortured to death in it. Then when people complained about it he basicly told them to go gently caress themselves Ha, holy poo poo, War Games was the reason I stopped buying Batman, what a load of crap that was.
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Two out of two Davids (me and Brothers) agree: War Games is the worst event in the history of superhero comics.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Ha, holy poo poo, War Games was the reason I stopped buying Batman, what a load of crap that was.
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bobkatt013 posted:Lets not forget he is responcible for War Games and Spoiler being tortured to death in it. Then when people complained about it he basicly told them to go gently caress themselves Out of curiosity, I looked up about it, and apparently it was something that was already decided on before he was brought on-board the comic. Unless, I'm missing something.
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