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thatbastardken posted:Did whoever was manning that detonator just kill tens of thousands of civilians to get a clear field of fire for the Coordinator and his bodyguards? A very good question. Yes. I'm padding this out so it's less obvious.
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Pretty sure that was the implication in one of the previous turns' fluff pieces. This is like a choose your own adventure book. Turn to page 36 if you want to turn around and blast the Jenner. Turn to page 50 if you want to continue further into the building. The former seems doable. Far as I can tell the CF of the building will absorb any of the damage he can do to me, and since he's outside he can't do any physical attacks to me, and unless there's a secret basement below me, he can't actually hurt me and I'm just losing a little bit of time. The latter means making more PSRs and Taku will likely run in behind me, where I think he can do damage since I think shots fired from within the same building are resolved differently. Yorinaga will, of course, move to block the path into the next building. There's probably other possible moves I'm not seeing right now, though.
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Later, the entire city explodes. Oh well.
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Feb 1, 2012 08:33
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MVPs: Korean Roberts and Ami.
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 Where the gently caress did that Hunchback come from!?Yorinaga is waiting for you to come out of that building. All your choices are bad from here on out. I wonder what happens when you activate jumpjets inside an office building?
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Arglebargle III posted:
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And looking closer at the end state we have our clansman stuck in a building, a Jenner on his butt and a Warhammer and a Hunchback waiting if he plows through. Oh dearie me.
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SynthOrange posted:And looking closer at the end state we have our clansman stuck in a building, a Jenner on his butt and a Warhammer and a Hunchback waiting if he plows through. He has more than two options though, and one of them could win him the game. VVV Unlikely, but we may be seeing different potential moves. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 09:14 on Feb 1, 2012 |
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PoptartsNinja posted:He has more than two options though, and one of them could win him the game. It could also murder him horribly.
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PTN, I don't know if the response in the thread had anything to do with the continuation of the Korean Robert Saga, but I choose to believe that it did, and so would like to thank you. Korean Robert is awesome and Rosinski Ami is awesome and the fact that two pieces of fluff can evoke an emotional response strong enough to make me fist-pump and exclaim audibly upon learning that Korean Robert survived is something to be proud of. Thus you, too, are awesome.
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PoptartsNinja posted:the brave little office chair Should probably be added to the OpFor MVP list.
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Now this is going to sound crazy, but if our intrepid hero leaves the map while hidden inside a building, does he count as "Escaped", for a win, or "Fled", for a loss? Do the Rules-as-Written even allow for a unit to leave the map of its own volition (hence why reaching the water hexes counts as victory)? Unless I misunderstood the statement about one possible choice winning the scenario to mean that something could be done to win next turn when it really meant only one of many options is likely to lead to victory.
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Well, by 'win' I mean 'put himself into a position where he can deliver his entire arsenal and suffer minimal retaliation' while setting himself up for another 5+ MASC escape on the turn after.
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DCMS Honorable Mention: Korean Robert, Rosinski Ami, and the Brave Little Office Chair. I don't care that they had no impact on the battle itself, they are awesome. I will not hear any argument about this. 
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Where's John Madden to tell us about this Pick-6-in-the-making that's rumblin, bumblin, stumblin down the sideline with only two more blockers to beat?
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To continue the football metaphors, I desperately want Goonstar to Tebow it. By which I mean they do kinda meh for most of the game then pull a win out of their rear end at the very end. Go forth, noble Space Tebow, and win one for the ilKhan  Also because the Clans are the best
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Bad Moon posted:To continue the football metaphors, I desperately want Goonstar to Tebow it. By which I mean they do kinda meh for most of the game then pull a win out of their rear end at the very end. ...and then get destroyed in the playoffs? Yeah, I can run with that metaphor. Does that make Victor Tom Brady? Rabidly beloved by his local fanbase and casual fans but despised mightily by partisans of other Hell, I bet Victor would have fallen to the final round in the draft too before he became a star.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Well, by 'win' I mean 'put himself into a position where he can deliver his entire arsenal and suffer minimal retaliation' while setting himself up for another 5+ MASC escape on the turn after. It's late and I'm too tired to do the math, but can't he turn left, exit the building, and have a shot at unloading into Yorinaga's back?
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:...and then get destroyed in the playoffs? Yeah, I can run with that metaphor. Tom Brady didn't build his career by riding the coattails of players way more talented than him and taking credit for it. That's right, Victor is Trent Dilfer.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:...and then get destroyed in the playoffs? Yeah, I can run with that metaphor. Tom Brady is actually good at things, while Victor is good at being in the center of people who are actually competent. Edit: Beaten by those industrious geniuses at DI
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Why does the MASC role keep going up? Seems like a few updates ago it was just snake eyes.
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Turn around walk out of the building and go behind Yorinaga and kill him (without using MASC). Or go out the building, kill the jenner, then jump over/run around Yorinaga. Do not continue through the building.
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So once a roll is made for a building, does a roll need to be made for every tile in that building that is traversed or is the whole building deemed stable enough to hold a mech's weight?
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Arglebargle III posted:Why does the MASC role keep going up? Seems like a few updates ago it was just snake eyes. The more turns in a row you use it, the system is more and more likely to jam. I think you're limited to 5 turns before another use would be an 'autofail' so you're not allowed to.
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Yeah, it's only 8MP to go to 0620 and torso-twist and backshot Yorinaga, but I think you might still be in LOS of the Jenner. Still, full barrage on Yori's back sounds impossible to relinquish. After that, you're out in the open field. Edit: drat, destroyed mechs count as rough terrain, so 0520. And I don't think that works out so well. Edit 2, More Editer: can he jump to 0620 or is there no jumping in a building? TildeATH fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Feb 1, 2012 |
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I'm sure PTN's latest post about setting up for a MASC, unloading his entire arsenal and suffering minimal retaliation is about alphaing Yorinaga somehow. Not sure if that has to be from 0620, though it'd be best of course. That will bring the awesome chain of events to: kicking down the Atlas, slapping Yorinaga in the face, running away from him then ninjaing him and planting a katana in his back (or neatly decapitating him) if it's successful. Though killing the ramen guy sounds fun. Good thing the other mechs aren't chasing yet (guarding Takashi's body?), otherwise just using the building for defensive purposes would be completely unworth it. Not that PTN won't probably pull anything if DWM stalls. Hmmm... once again my love of collateral damage (wanting to fire on random buildings when I have the time, heat and energy weapons) appears to be oddly prescient. Oh well, not like I would've ordered the specific targeting of that building and besides it'd be against both clanner and IS ethics. cwDeici fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Feb 1, 2012 |
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:DCMS Honorable Mention: Korean Robert, Rosinski Ami, and the Brave Little Office Chair. I don't care that they had no impact on the battle itself, they are awesome. I will not hear any argument about this. Even as someone who wants all the spotlights on the clanners, I can agree with that.
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TildeATH posted:Edit 2, More Editer: can he jump to 0620 or is there no jumping in a building? I'm pretty sure he can jump. None of the jump hexes pass through a building, so yes. He can. He can jump, largely make himself unhittable by S3, and get a full rear salvo on Yorinaga. Do it!
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I guess when they go to Turtle Bay for their honeymoon, this thread will devolve into tears.
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TildeATH posted:I guess when they go to Turtle Bay for their honeymoon, this thread will devolve into tears. Btech goons are a bunch of romantic suckers at heart, who knew? 
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Arglebargle III posted:
It's the Yakuza Hunchback that they clearly don't have finally showing up like promised. Now to see if those Yakuza SRM infantry show up around the river like it was hinted at as well. This is going to get interesting real quick... So will our intrepid Star Captain continue through the building and possibly get intercepted by Yorinaga? Or will he go around to try and disable Yorinaga so he can make a better break for it? Only time will tell. And yes, the saga of Korean Robert and Rosinski Ami has captured the imagination of the thread. I'm fully expecting a satisfying ending for the two of them eventually, PTN. With your fluff writing skills, it shouldn't be too hard.
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Tempest_56 posted:I'm pretty sure he can jump. None of the jump hexes pass through a building, so yes. He can. He can jump, largely make himself unhittable by S3, and get a full rear salvo on Yorinaga.  I completely forgot jumping out of buildings is totally a thing you can do.Still going to be sucking up an ERPPC hit and some 10+ shots from the S3, though.
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I'm not sure if this is possible, but I was watching Animaniacs with my niece right before checking the thread. Good Idea: Jump right behind Yorinaga and blast in his back side. You'll take a few pot shots from the Jenner but probably be able to get away barring a hit to the Head. Bad Idea: Jump ON Yorinaga. The Jenner can't hit you, but Yorinaga might (?). This would almost certainly open up your Right Leg Armor.
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DTurtle posted:Can't he just jump to 0518 or 0618 in order to take shots at Yorinaga with no one able to shoot back at him? Yorinaga's Warhammer can flip its arms, which means a jumping battlemech + running Yorinaga equals 5s to hit. That's right, he's got an 83% chance of hitting you even when flipping his arms behind himself to blast a mech that has jumped behind him while his mech was running at full speed. I hate this guy. That is, if Warhammers can flip arms, maybe not--doesn't look like a Rifleman, and that's always been how I knew.
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TildeATH posted:Yorinaga's Warhammer can flip its arms, which means a jumping battlemech + running Yorinaga equals 5s to hit. If he doesn't have lower arm or hand actuators, he can flip.
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thatbastardken posted:A horrifying thought occurs: If these buildings are occupied, what about the ones that were demolished to provide the killing fields? Did whoever was manning that detonator just kill tens of thousands of civilians to get a clear field of fire for the Coordinator and his bodyguards? Counting Coup was an inside job! Loose C-bills! No, seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the subject of a conspiracy theory at some point in this timeline. Either that or the DC military will be really brazen about "Of course we killed all these tens of thousands of people! The coordinator's life was at risk, any true patriot would gladly lay down their life for his firing lanes!" Then again considering how delicate the Combine might be after this, and how hostile any new government might be to the old coordinator (especially if "he failed in battle! No true Samurai!" is part of their justification to the public), mocking the deaths of civilians seems like the wrong way to go. Dolash fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Feb 1, 2012 |
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