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Xiahou Dun posted:She died, remember? Please keep an open mind while in this thread.
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Chunk posted:I figured he didn't take it because he took an oath, but now he's free from that. I guess my point is once you break an oath (for what ever reason it may be) it doesn't really have much meaning any more. So why pass up Winterfell when he was already considered to be an oath breaker anyway?
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Feb 1, 2012 22:17
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When did Old Nan died?, i always figured ASOIAF was Old Nan telling a scary story to Rickon's great grand children in Skagos. She leads a rebelion in the Dreadfort and single handedly led the survivors to Skagos where Rickon is now the cannibal Magnar
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Feb 1, 2012 22:29
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She's still alive. Old Nan was who they had inside of Renly's armor after he died.
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Feb 1, 2012 22:39
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zocio posted:When did Old Nan die? They are talking about Margaret John, the actress that played Old Nan in the HBO series. Obviously, Old Nan the character is perfectly alive and safe forever. Wili fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Feb 1, 2012 |
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Feb 1, 2012 22:53
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Oh I wasn't aware the actress died. Is she getting recast, a la Dumbledore? I hear Michael Gambon has recently become available...
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Feb 1, 2012 23:01
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whowhatwhere posted:Eh, I figure they'll have two things: It's HBO, they always cheap out on huge battle scenes. But yeah, the Tyrion poo poo where he gets the scar was on some sort of bridge made out of boats or something so they'll be able to do that pretty easily.
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Feb 1, 2012 23:50
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wait, so a single 5-10 second CGI shot of wildfire is too much, but a gigantic chain of broken ships, all of which are on fire, is easy?
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Feb 1, 2012 23:56
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Where did I disagree with that? They're both easy to CG.
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Feb 2, 2012 01:37
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I'm calling it now, this is how they'll deal with Blackwater: [Cuts between Tyrion and Davos watching CG ships entering the bay] [Shot of Chain going up with Wildfire] [Cut to Tyrion in bed talking with Shae or whoegivesafuck about how lucky he was to survive] And then anything that actually involves the battle will be shot in blurry "flashback" vision.
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Feb 2, 2012 01:42
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How did people generally react to the Green Fork in the TV series? Did people feel cheated? I hadn't read the book when I watched the series, so I didn't really have a point of reference
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Feb 2, 2012 02:17
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Eh, I didn't care much because it wasn't all that important. I was more disappointed that they didn't set up Roose Bolton at all. More importantly I wish they had done a bit more with the Battle of the Whispering Woods. I'd have loved for them to show Jaime's drive towards Robb, but even doing it like Catelyn's POV from the book would have been nice.
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Feb 2, 2012 02:57
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The Green Fork and Whispering Woods didn't bother me so much, especially since it was a 1st Season and not really the "money shots" of that season. That said the 2nd and 3rd book feature some seriously epic images, and while I understand and accept that HBO will cut every corner it can to avoid showing it in great sweeping depth, there is a limit before it'll feel really cheap.
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Feb 2, 2012 03:00
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Trico posted:How did people generally react to the Green Fork in the TV series? Did people feel cheated? I hadn't read the book when I watched the series, so I didn't really have a point of reference I felt cheated by The Green Fork. I felt cheated by the Battle of The Whispering Wood. I felt cheated BY ROBERT BARATHEONS HUNT! They had a giant rear end budget, but no giant rear end boar  .Also, in AGOT Tyrion rides with his clansmen in the vanguard and kills 2-3 Northern guys. In the TV Series, he is just knocked unconscious by his own men.
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Feb 2, 2012 03:01
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Joramun posted:Oh I wasn't aware the actress died. Is she getting recast, a la Dumbledore? I hear Michael Gambon has recently become available... Probably not. I bet anything of significance can be portrayed by Maester Luwin. I also think Tyrion's nose will survive - it's not really important outside of just making him more grotesque in the books and giving him something to pick at.
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Feb 2, 2012 03:10
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geeves posted:Probably not. I bet anything of significance can be portrayed by Maester Luwin. It's torn clear off, isn't it? That'd just be too disfiguring for people to get behind anymore, and to be honest there's no bloody point to it that the massive gash cut open along half his head doesn't already achieve.
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Feb 2, 2012 04:33
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Maybe they'll give him a sexy eye scar or something. They have been playing pretty drat loose with the character descriptions anyways.
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Feb 2, 2012 04:54
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and ^^^^Nilbop posted:It's torn clear off, isn't it? That'd just be too disfiguring for people to get behind anymore, and to be honest there's no bloody point to it that the massive gash cut open along half his head doesn't already achieve. Something like Locke from Lost that's easy and maybe even heals over season 3. It doesn't define Tyrion like it does Sandor Clegane - but the way they've handled Sandor's burns gives me hope for what they will do with Tyrion.
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Feb 2, 2012 05:12
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Actually for a short while it really affects his character. He's already a dwarf, then he becomes a dwarf with a hideous disfigurement. Then it's not really mentioned for that whole last book.
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Feb 2, 2012 13:01
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Iseeyouseemeseeyou posted:I felt cheated by The Green Fork. I felt cheated by the Battle of The Whispering Wood. I felt cheated BY ROBERT BARATHEONS HUNT! They had a giant rear end budget, but no giant rear end boar Mind you, the entire hunt happens "offscreen" in the book.
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Feb 2, 2012 13:06
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Maytag posted:Actually for a short while it really affects his character. He's already a dwarf, then he becomes a dwarf with a hideous disfigurement. Then it's not really mentioned for that whole last book. Well see if he had a nose, he could just follow it to wherever whores go.
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Feb 2, 2012 14:17
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neongrey posted:Well see if he had a nose, he could just follow it to wherever whores go. you're thinking of froot loops (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 2, 2012 14:51
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Genital sores can sometimes be multicoloured rings.
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Feb 2, 2012 14:53
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You mean because of their perfume, right?!!?
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Feb 2, 2012 14:59
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Trico posted:you're thinking of froot loops That's no way to talk about a male prostitute.
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Feb 2, 2012 14:59
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geeves posted:Probably not. I bet anything of significance can be portrayed by Maester Luwin. Maester Luwin in a wig: "Oh sweet summer child, you know nothing of fear."
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Feb 2, 2012 16:16
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Trico posted:How did people generally react to the Green Fork in the TV series? Did people feel cheated? I hadn't read the book when I watched the series, so I didn't really have a point of reference It got a pretty big eye roll from me. If they had just done one of the two battles that way it would have been fine, but both major battles off camera? Lame.
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Feb 2, 2012 17:29
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Genital sores can sometimes be multicoloured rings. That's at least how *swoon* Daario *swoon* dyes his.
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Feb 2, 2012 17:42
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whowhatwhere posted:Eh, I didn't care much because it wasn't all that important. I was more disappointed that they didn't set up Roose Bolton at all. The Whispering Wood on the show kinda bewildered me. I mean, it's like the whole chapter was written with a limited-budget show in mind, but they still just skipped to the end.
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Feb 2, 2012 17:45
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mind the walrus posted:That's at least how *swoon* Daario *swoon* dyes his. Daario dyes in WoW.
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Feb 2, 2012 18:02
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Junkenstein posted:The Whispering Wood on the show kinda bewildered me. I mean, it's like the whole chapter was written with a limited-budget show in mind, but they still just skipped to the end. I don't really get why people expected anything else. At the time they were shooting it, HBO didn't know if anyone was even going to watch this show and it had to be ludicrously expensive even without battle scenes due to all of the characters, locations, period clothing and CGI. Since the showrunners were obviously trying to get down to the bones of a character-driven drama rather than a war show and they barely had enough time for the story as it was, I'm not surprised that they opted to make the CGI dragons awesome and put in another scene between two good actors instead of having a bunch of extras flailing around incoherently for 3 minutes while Catelyn looks pensive or whatever. Now that the the show is somewhat of a hit and got award recognition, I imagine HBO will release the funds to do a battle scene (which is also a multi-chapter event instead of the 10 paragraphs or whatever Whispering Woods is in GoT) and the people making the show will also be able to use it as a set piece for character development much more easily. The Whispering Woods (as a scene itself) adds basically nothing to the characters. The outcome is all that matters. The Green Fork one is slightly more important because Tyrion gets to come into his own a little, but it would also have been way more expensive to do so I also wasn't surprised that one was cut.
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Feb 2, 2012 18:57
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I didn't expect a big LOTR style rings battle scene, that's exactly my point. The Whispering Wood was a chance to do a battle scene that wasn't a battle scene.
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Feb 2, 2012 19:19
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Sophia posted:I don't really get why people expected anything else. At the time they were shooting it, HBO didn't know if anyone was even going to watch this show and it had to be ludicrously expensive even without battle scenes due to all of the characters, locations, period clothing and CGI. Since the showrunners were obviously trying to get down to the bones of a character-driven drama rather than a war show and they barely had enough time for the story as it was, I'm not surprised that they opted to make the CGI dragons awesome and put in another scene between two good actors instead of having a bunch of extras flailing around incoherently for 3 minutes while Catelyn looks pensive or whatever. The thing to me is that the Green Fork showed Tyrion coming into his own, but the Whispering Wood showed that Robb is kind of a badass too. It would have done well as a nice setup for viewers who don't see the red wedding coming.
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Feb 2, 2012 19:33
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Junkenstein posted:I didn't expect a big LOTR style rings battle scene, that's exactly my point. The Whispering Wood was a chance to do a battle scene that wasn't a battle scene. Well, I guess I'm just thinking about it from a perspective of someone who's making the show and asking why they need a chance to do a battle scene, especially if it's just going to be vague figures in the woods and the sound of swords. What purpose would it serve? It doesn't really add to the story and it just takes time away from everything else. I guess it does make Robb kind of badass (though from what I remember it's really more that two people sacrificed themselves for him and then his wolf did the rest than him being awesome), but I think between the other scenes and the actor that they pulled off that aura without needing the battle itself. Then again one of the reasons I like the show so much better than the books is that it's an opportunity for them to cut out all of the extraneous crap that gets so ponderous and just tell the story of these people. So I'm always looking forward to them cutting stuff out.  Until they get to the fourth book and they have to start cutting out everything because GRRM doesn't have a story anymore.
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Feb 2, 2012 19:49
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Sophia posted:Well, I guess I'm just thinking about it from a perspective of someone who's making the show and asking why they need a chance to do a battle scene, especially if it's just going to be vague figures in the woods and the sound of swords. What purpose would it serve? It doesn't really add to the story and it just takes time away from everything else. Well, showing Bronn's swordfight doesn't 'add to the story' either. I think being with Cat as she watches and hears her firstborn lead his men into battle for the first time would have been good to watch. They were never going to go all out for the big battles, that much was clear as soon as the show was announced, but there should still be tension in some form rather than literally skipping to the end and 'yup, we won'. And with the Whispering Wood, the book hands them a way to do it on a plate.
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Feb 2, 2012 20:04
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Blackwater was shot at night so there would be less areas that needed "filling in" by CGI (and probably to make the fire look better.) Neil Marshall is directing it, and he does a pretty good job of making good stuff with no budget. The show also has a bigger budget, more locations, a new CGI shop, and rebuilt set pieces. Just the trailers alone you can see the increased production values that are going into this season. It's not going to be Helm's Deep, but it's not going to be Robert's tourney either.
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Feb 2, 2012 20:31
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All 50 people from King's Landing went to the Tourney of The Hand, i don't know what you mean...
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Feb 2, 2012 21:35
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Junkenstein posted:The Whispering Wood on the show kinda bewildered me. I mean, it's like the whole chapter was written with a limited-budget show in mind, but they still just skipped to the end. Having not read the books at the time I still felt a little cheated by the lack of Forks battle, but I thought it was a cool surprise that while the Lannisters thought they were kicking Stark rear end Robb actually pulled one over on them.
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Feb 2, 2012 21:41
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Junkenstein posted:Well, showing Bronn's swordfight doesn't 'add to the story' either. Sure it does, it establishes Bronn's character as a renegade who doesn't give a gently caress about anything, including fighting style, while also providing a method of adding more suspense before the conclusion of Tyrion's imprisonment, an arc that's been happening over the entire episode. It's a natural extension of a prior scene so you don't have to do any extra establishment of location, where Whispering Woods is by its nature a jump cut to a new place. You also get more about how truly dumb Lysa is by the way she handles the fight, along with some nice reaction shots of Robert, Tyrion and Catelyn. WW gets you "Catelyn is worried about her son, who is fighting", which has already been established in the tent scene earlier. Saved money, saved time, lost nothing. Maybe even added something in the sense that the audience is immediately paid off on what Robb's brilliant plan was after the Lannisters talk about it rather than having to wait to see if it will actually work.
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Dead Man Posting posted:Daario dyes in WoW.
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