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Vagabundo posted:Speaking of Key being a oval office, I agree with Nicky Hagar in that we're probably already well passed the high watermark for Key's popularity and we're probably starting to see the cracks. Has there been any preferred PM polling since the election to back this up? I'm not in NZ anymore so a bit out of the loop, but Shearer has come out of the gates strong in directly contradicting his own finance spokesperson by saying James Cameron shouldn't be allowed to buy land and move here with his family - which is frankly just embarrassing - and as long as John Key is still up 50% in preferred PM I can't see anything changing in the short term. Sharples knew about the TPK restructuring, he is after all the Minister and TPK answers to him. That said, I'm not sure your average Maori voter gets too wound up about 50 job losses in a government department, in affluent Wellington. I guess I'm saying that a TPK restructure won't be the straw that breaks the camel's back for the Maori Party. miss_chaos fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Feb 1, 2012 |
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dusty posted:I wonder what the link to TPK is? Seems very last minute. What's concerning is that we haven't heard what the Maori Party has to say about this. Hone was immediately making statements about it, but Sharples and Turia are conspicuous in their silence over it. miss_chaos posted:Has there been any preferred PM polling since the election to back this up? I'm not in NZ anymore so a bit out of the loop, but Shearer has come out of the gates strong in directly contradicting his own finance spokesperson by saying James Cameron shouldn't be allowed to buy land and move here with his family - which is frankly just embarrassing - and as long as John Key is still up 50% in preferred PM I can't see anything changing in the short term. On the other hand, Shearer speaking out about Cameron buying up a bunch of land in the Wairarapas is consistent with the position he took in regards to the Crafar farm sales. If Shearer had either said nothing or supported it, then he'd either get accused of "being too silent on issues" (which is the criticism that got thrown around in this thread a couple of weeks ago) or provide ammunition for the government - "so it's OK for a Canadian to buy up land, but you don't want some Chinese investors to do the same? Why the double standard?" As for Key's popularity, there hasn't been any polling done since the political cycle hasn't officially started yet. However, there has been a shift, somewhat, in the way he's portrayed in the media. There has been a marked increase in the number of stories and articles that have something of an anti-Key bent and there have been editorials in the Herald that have openly attacked him, outside of John Armstrong's loving, slobbery verbal blowjobs of course, which is remarkable considering how much of a Key love-in the Herald has been in the last 4 years. miss_chaos posted:Sharples knew about the TPK restructuring, he is after all the Minister and TPK answers to him. That said, I'm not sure your average Maori voter gets too wound up about 50 job losses in a government department, in affluent Wellington. I guess I'm saying that a TPK restructure won't be the straw that breaks the camel's back for the Maori Party. It depends on whether or not this was flying under the radar. If Sharples knew about it, then that explains their silence (so far) on the subject. It's still 7:13 in the am so maybe we'll hear what he or Turia have to say about it later in the day. You're right that it won't be the straw that breaks the camel's back - that's already broken. What it would do is remove any realistic chance for them to fix it in any meaningful way. If National had this under the radar and sprung it on everyone yesterday afternoon, it then acts to further diminish any mandate that the Maori Party would have with the average Maori, since it just makes them look weak as piss (not that the last 3 years helped). If that is the case, their best course of action would be to walk away from the coalition and either join the opposition or do their own thing in parliament.
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So here is a thing; the US doesn't like our already flawed copyright shits and wants to make them more retarded.
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Dead Alice posted:So here is a thing; the US doesn't like our already flawed copyright shits and wants to make them more retarded. Getting rid of parallel imports? We've been down this road before. The main difference is now that we already pay a massive premium on anything worth parallel importing into New Zealand. So...we pay even more? quote:Circumventing a Technological Protection Measure (TPM) will to be a criminal offence Ah yes, the part where I become a criminal for enabling multizone on my DVD player to play something I legally bought overseas because it isn't sold here. I look forward to someone challenging the ability to claim a loss through copyright infringement if their work isn't available here legally  E: I should have kept reading: quote:Criminal liability even where the infringement has no commercial value at all.
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"Removal of the current copyright fair dealing exception for transient copying. So, you'd have to get permission from the rights holder if your browser caches any part of a website, whether you know it or not. Can't imagine caching ISPs, search engines or anyone else who actually uses the internet being too pleased with this one.[added 21 March 2011]" How is this even practically enforceable?
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Vagabundo posted:How is this even practically enforceable? It isn't. Honest to Christ I wish one country would just go "Thanks, but no thanks" when it comes to this stuff. Even if the plan is to say no all along, letting things take this course is an incredibly unnerving idea.
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Dead Alice posted:So here is a thing; the US doesn't like our already flawed copyright shits and wants to make them more retarded. I'd just like to point out this is from March last year. Still, it, along with the Pharmac fiasco, is pretty illustrative of US interference and how utterly ridiculous it is generally.
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Dear America: gently caress up your own country you backwards, luddite hicks. Thanks, NZ
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NITOS FLAME KEEPER posted:Dear America: gently caress up your own country you backwards, luddite hicks. To be fair y'all did elect John Key who promptly cut the top income tax bracket to benefit rich people and then raised GST (to 15%!?) to gently caress over everyone else. It's only logical to think the current government might go along with other rear end backwards regressive policy too. The US may be many things, but at least there is no sales tax on food. (are they trying to give people an incentive not to eat?)
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sanchez posted:To be fair y'all did elect John Key who promptly cut the top income tax bracket to benefit rich people and then raised GST (to 15%!?) to gently caress over everyone else. It's only logical to think the current government might go along with other rear end backwards regressive policy too. Well, you see, the tax cut was to even out the GST rise! Because I am John Key and don't understand how GST fucks poor people!
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Torka posted:Oh he understands, he just doesn't care. At least no-one gets overly anti-Semitic about him. I can imagine if this was in the US his lineage would be brought up a lot more. We just think he's a dick because of his personality.
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He's Jewish? That's honestly the first time I've ever seen it mentioned.
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Feb 2, 2012 22:12
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Well, of Jewish ancestry at least. He's not the first Jew to be New Zealand Prime Minister either.
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Torka posted:He's Jewish? That's honestly the first time I've ever seen it mentioned. He's jew-ish. His mother was an immigrant Austrian Jew, but he is not religiously Jewish (see what I did there?). I feel slightly anti-semitic just for typing jew and I'm not sure if it should be capitalised or not.
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Torka posted:Yeah I'm fine with saying Jewish but "Jew" makes me all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5t96DhBf4I
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He's an utter loving tool. If there were anything approaching proper social justice he would be in loving jail for his Merrill Lynch currency/derivative speculation bullshit.
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Dead Alice posted:At least no-one gets overly anti-Semitic about him. I can imagine if this was in the US his lineage would be brought up a lot more. Are you kidding? Have not not seen how the US operates with regards to Israel? There are many race problems in this country but antisemitism is absolutely not one of them.
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sanchez posted:Are you kidding? Have not not seen how the US operates with regards to Israel? There are many race problems in this country but antisemitism is absolutely not one of them. Speaking for myself here, but I would think that most of our (NZ's) exposure to anti-semitism post-WWII comes from American media (movie industry, KKK, Mel Gibson, jew bankers etc). Because we don't have "enclaves" of Jewish people (either ethnically or religiously) here they aren't really visible group, and hence not a target here at all. Anti-semitism may not be a large issue in the USA but it certainly seems to be more prevalent than it is in New Zealand.
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Dead Alice posted:Anti-semitism may not be a large issue in the USA but it certainly seems to be more prevalent than it is in New Zealand. You should do some research, this is a good start http://www.jewishjournal.com/film/article/jews_evangelicals_strange_bedfellows_20100202/
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NITOS FLAME KEEPER posted:Dear America: gently caress up your own country you backwards, luddite hicks.
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Vagabundo posted:So now Bill English is saying that he's considering closing schools and increasing class sizes because it will save money and Treasury reckons it's a great idea since apparently they're calling the shots in education now. So...basically the same report Treasury gives to every incoming Government?
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sanchez posted:You should do some research, this is a good start Oh, so everyone in the US loves Jewish people and supports fully the Israeli state? Good to know. 50 million people are members of those churches. The combined church leadership has decided to support that film. Assuming that every single person of those 50 million agrees 100% with every decision the church makes seems a bit of a stretch. Also, 50 million represents roughly 1/6th of the total US population. Appealing to the authority an institution as nebulous as "the Evangelical christian church in the US" as a bastion of good sense also seems foolhardy given their image in the rest of the world as utterly intolerant people. A cynic might even think that given some of their previous behaviours that they want anyone who doesn't share their faith to get out of the country all together. There are a few key phrases you may have missed from my previous posts: seems to be more prevalent, may not be a large issue, American media. I was not seeking to imply that everyone in the US is a jew-hating Aryan; just that there are elements within that culture that appear bigoted against them which results in them being the target of 12% of reported hate crimes in 2007, and 37% of hatecrimes in New York state in 2009. New Zealand has many incredibly racist people, but proportionately very little of that is target towards Jewish peoples. Big Bad Beetleborg fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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I was responding to "At least no-one gets overly anti-Semitic about him. I can imagine if this was in the US his lineage would be brought up a lot more." Which is bullshit. People would be indifferent unless you tried to survey as many white supremacists as possible. That's all, look at attitudes towards Michael Bloomberg, it's a non-issue, the people who dislike him do so because of his policies, just like John Key. Apologies for the derail.. sanchez fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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sanchez posted:I was responding to "At least no-one gets overly anti-Semitic about him. I can imagine if this was in the US his lineage would be brought up a lot more." I disagree. I think that if John Key was a member of a race or religion that was subject to more bigotry in New Zealand (asians, immigrants, maori, muslims) it would almost certainly not be uncommon to hear charged invective being used about him in conversation. Obama certainly gets comments on his race and heritage, although most people are polite enough not to scream about it in the street. The only way he escapes is because NZ society is mostly "white" and we are content not to look too hard for ways to divide that group up along new lines - after all, we might learn something about people if we can't divide them into easily labelled groups. The subsection of the population that targets Jewish people for crime will almost certainly bring up Bloomberg's race/religion. Just because they're bug gently caress crazy doesn't mean they don't count as people. e: 1 is more than 0. Big Bad Beetleborg fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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Dead Alice posted:I disagree. I think that if John Key was a member of a race or religion that was subject to more bigotry in New Zealand (asians, immigrants, maori, muslims) it would almost certainly not be uncommon to hear charged invective being used about him in conversation. Obama certainly gets comments on his race and heritage, although most people are polite enough not to scream about it in the street. That's great but it's not what you originally posted. Key would be fine in the US, what would happen in NZ or if Key was a black kenyan muslim is totally irrelevant.
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Dead Alice posted:He's jew-ish. His mother was an immigrant Austrian Jew, but he is not religiously Jewish (see what I did there?). I've seen him wear one of those little hats on the news, thats a religious thing isn't it? (I know absolutely nothing about Jewish culture )
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Dead Alice posted:The only way he escapes is because NZ society is mostly "white" and we are content not to look too hard for ways to divide that group up along new lines - after all, we might learn something about people if we can't divide them into easily labelled groups.
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sanchez posted:I was responding to "At least no-one gets overly anti-Semitic about him. I can imagine if this was in the US his lineage would be brought up a lot more." Ive basically only heard a few people make lame jokes along the lines of "You know what I think of when I think of a real red-blooded Kiwi bloke? A Jewish guy who made his money overseas as a foreign exchange trader". On the USA stuff and on Key/National really kind of blowing the USA I have to say that as an American ex-pat who is a dual citizen I view that the current policies make it particularly easy/nicer for me to extract wealth from this country and take back stateside if I wanted to. And this makes me angry and it should make you angry too. I mean, no capital gains on buying up some state assets? Choice brah. If only I had enough capital going I could take a nice chunk of New Zealand. Lemonus fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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Lemonus posted:Ive basically only heard a few people make lame jokes along the lines of "You know what I think of when I think of a real red-blooded Kiwi bloke? A Jewish guy who made his money overseas as a foreign exchange trader". Well, that does seem to be bad situation Lemonus posted:I mean, no capital gains on buying up some state assets? Choice brah. We say "bro" here 
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This turned up on my Facebook feed today, seems it fits in well with this thread in general. http://johnkeylooksatthings.tumblr.com/
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People have been talking in the thread about just how 'up poo poo creek' our economy will be in the coming decade(s), are there any good articles/reports about this?
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klen dool posted:We say "bro" here Im a citizen and Ive been hear 14 years, don't patronize me about my country.
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Lemonus posted:Im a citizen and Ive been hear 14 years, don't patronize me about my country. I think you'll find we spell it "patronise" here, champ. e: VVV I was gonna mention that, but it dilutes the joke somewhat. Big Bad Beetleborg fucked around with this message at 08:39 on Feb 4, 2012 |
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Dead Alice posted:I think you'll find we spell it "patronise" here, champ. Touche. The part I think is worse is that I wrote "hear" instead of "here". Ill leave it there for stupid posterity, I really need breakfast. Anyways the important thing is I pronounce tom-ahto instead of tom-ayyyto. Lemonus fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Feb 4, 2012 |
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Lemonus posted:Im a citizen and Ive been hear 14 years, don't patronize me about my country. 14 years? I've had slams in the dunny that've taken longer than you've been here mate!
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Good to see we are getting back into the tradition of poo poo going down at Waitangi. Let the politicians and portesters get stuck in to each other up there while the rest of NZ can enjoy a day off work and head to the beach. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6368974/Key-leaves-Waitangi-due-to-protesters Although poo poo like this helps absolutely nothing but generating calls to talkback. quote:During the heated protests, Wi Popata screamed abuse at both the Maori and National Party politicians. With fellow protesters, he called Sharples a "friend of the family" and told Key to go home.
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Roy Morgan put out a poll a couple of days ago. Some points of interest: Labour's gone up to the 30% mark in a poll, picking up 3%, which appears to have been taken from the Greens, Mana, the undecideds and possibly National. National's poll numbers has dipped by 1 to 46%. Of interest though, is the general trend of National's poll numbers, which recovered from a dip in September last year:  As you can see, it's been in steady decline since around October 26, with a sharp drop around early November (the Epsom tea party was around that time, wasn't it?). Of concern for their supporters is the complete lack of support for their coalition partners. United Future is on .5%, as is ACT. The Maori party picked up .5% from the previous poll to go up to 2%. If a snap election is taken now and there's no change in electorate seats, the results in seat numbers will be: Government - 57 seats National 55 Maori Party 3 ACT 1 United 1 Opposition - 61 seats Labour 37 Greens 16 NZ First 7 Mana 1 ACT, UF and the Maori Party are in there solely by virtue of their electorate seats and the Maori Party are probably not going to return to all three of those 3 seats next time around. The trend also indicates that the soft National voters are turning away from the Nats, who are getting close to pre-2008 numbers giving credence to Nicky Hagar's statement late last year that Key and the Nats had gone past the high watermark of their popularity. In order to govern effectively again, with their current coalition partners, they need an outright 50+% majority and by the current numbers, that is simply not achievable. The poll was from 933 respondents on telephone, FWIW. edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Feb 5, 2012 |
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