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MildShow posted:Considering he's already put out two regular pages and one triple-sized page since it started, I wouldn't worry anymore than usual. They're discussing the 82 different comic-related special bonuses that we're getting, and some of them he hasn't drawn yet.
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How is it possible to underestimate the potential success of a fundraiser this much? I think he might run out of new ideas. Also, Tim Buckley's tears are delicious. E: Just ordered the 7 book set. Why, did they have a failed kickstarter (that would be the best thing). VVVV Lustful Man Hugs fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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ChaosSamusX posted:How is it possible to underestimate the potential success of a fundraiser this much? I think he might run out of new ideas. They are as nothing before the ambrosia that is freeper tears.
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ChaosSamusX posted:How is it possible to underestimate the potential success of a fundraiser this much? I think he might run out of new ideas. I cannot imagine a web comic getting nearly half a million dollars like this, and estimating anywhere near that is insane.
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Casao posted:I cannot imagine a web comic getting nearly half a million dollars like this, and estimating anywhere near that is insane. I'm really curious as to how much is going to go to printing/mailing/operational costs, and how much is going back to Burlew.
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MikeJF posted:I'm really curious as to how much is going to go to printing/mailing/operational costs, and how much is going back to Burlew. I'm more curious how much he'll actually get. This is all pledges at the moment, remember. I cannot imagine that 100% of people will come through with 100% of their pledge, since people are usually pretty bad with money.
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Feb 3, 2012 05:13
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Casao posted:I cannot imagine a web comic getting nearly half a million dollars like this, and estimating anywhere near that is insane. This is one of the best possible uses of Kickstarter, to be fair - it's effectively a massive preorder for the thousands of donators, on top of the actual objective. Kickstarters like this definitely have very high upper bounds. Rich is a very modest person, though, and I'm not surprised at all that he couldn't have imagined a turnout anything like this. If only we could get Tea-san to do a kickstarter (or, for that matter, it was even legal for him to). The Gunnerkrigg books are almost as impossible to get in print as the OotS ones were a couple of weeks ago.
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Casao posted:I'm more curious how much he'll actually get. This is all pledges at the moment, remember. I cannot imagine that 100% of people will come through with 100% of their pledge, since people are usually pretty bad with money. It's done through amazon payments putting a hold on cards, so the money is there
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RickoniX posted:It's done through amazon payments putting a hold on cards, so the money is there It doesn't put a hold on cards in any way, shape or form, FYI. It's an authorization from you to Amazon to withdraw the funds sometime in that range. It doesn't touch your bank account until the day the Kickstarter ends.
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Casao posted:It doesn't put a hold on cards in any way, shape or form, FYI. It's an authorization from you to Amazon to withdraw the funds sometime in that range. It doesn't touch your bank account until the day the Kickstarter ends. I would guess that the people donating are statistically far more likely to have the money than random people would be, given that they're purchasing things that they want and not just generically donating for the cause. I'd be shocked if Burlew loses more than 1 or 2% at most.
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Feb 3, 2012 05:23
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Yes, but at that point most of the money will presumably be withdrawn automatically. That's the other half of the magic of kickstarter - a donator doesn't pay unless the minimum is met to actually fund the project and the money is actually THERE if you can get enough of it pledged.
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ChaosSamusX posted:How is it possible to underestimate the potential success of a fundraiser this much? I think he might run out of new ideas. Part of the problem is that he keeps setting relatively small increments for incentives, and people are just blowing past them in a matter of hours. Then again, I suspect if he set $50,000 increments the amount of donations would just increase to match that.
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Casao posted:It doesn't put a hold on cards in any way, shape or form, FYI. It's an authorization from you to Amazon to withdraw the funds sometime in that range. It doesn't touch your bank account until the day the Kickstarter ends. Oh my mistake v  v
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Speleothing posted:Yes, but at that point most of the money will presumably be withdrawn automatically. That's the other half of the magic of kickstarter - a donator doesn't pay unless the minimum is met to actually fund the project and the money is actually THERE if you can get enough of it pledged. If this project is successfully funded, your card will be charged on: TUESDAY FEB 21, 12:03PM EST
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I think his point is that there is a payment queued-- it's not just some vague commitment you can shirk like it's a charity knocking at your door asking for your pledge. The number displayed on the page is a reasonable assessment of what he'll actually receive, because any time somebody withdraws support the number drops accordingly. You can obviously withdraw your support any time up to that point, but the page will reflect it. If the page says $750,000 on the day funding ends, then he's getting probably around $750,000. Cabbit fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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While I have to add my voice to the general amazement at how successful this kick starter is, I can't say I didn't expect it. If there's a single online artist/writer that deserves this much support it's Rich Burlew. I would probably say Andrew Hussie is a close second, but Rich gets so little recognition that I can't stop myself from raving. Brace yourself: Even setting aside the level of skill or detail in his "simple" art, his writing which makes tired plots fresh and the tropiest tropes feel natural, and the characterization and development that make these stick figures/walking game jokes feel more real to me that people I've known for years, Rich is an incredibly decent person. While he's admitted to having medical problems, and given them as the reason for his sporadic update schedule, we can only INFER that he might have Crohn's. Why? Because he doesn't talk about it. Because he doesn't apologize for failing to give us high-quality strips every day for no reward. Because he doesn't whine about his art being horrible despite the gallons of praise being dumped on him. Because he doesn't stalk his message board reading every menial post, banning anyone who complains, or even tell people to stop arguing over a meaningless character's alignment unless they break the rules doing so. Rich Burlew goes out of way to provide for his audience. He adds considerable extra content to his books, with more every volume. He constantly improves his art style, only sacrificing detail when it becomes counter-productive. He's produced extra books not available for free, but doesn't hold the reader's attention hostage by making them essential to enjoy the story. Hell, his decision to make them mostly all greyscale helps his readers' wallets as much as his own. I suppose what I'm saying is that Rich Burlew is a professional. Yes, he's incredibly talented and all that, but he's also disciplined and focused. He makes no excuses and doesn't ask for them, and treats his work with the care one would expect to show in a business, even if the majority of the time he doesn't turn a profit. Rich deserves our praise, and that of far more people than he gets, but he deserves something else on top of it: our gratitude. And respect. [/vaarsuvius] DrakePegasus fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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I was going to say something, but I forgot it after reading that post. Ah well, carry on!
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DrakePegasus posted:Because he doesn't apologize for failing to give us high-quality strips every day for no reward. I agree with everything that DrakePegasus says, but I want to emphasize this part. There is nothing that I hate more than to see an update on someone's blog or story site or other creative endeavor that is just an excuse for why they haven't produced any content. Writing some excuse out is actually worse than not producing the content, in my opinion. I too respect Rich for being professional and separating us from the horrors of the creative process. Presentation is a big part of producing art. You can't just crap out a few paintings and then lean them up against a wall and expect people to like it. You gotta frame them and light them and stick them in a gallery before you can expect any interest. In a similar way, putting your work up on a nicely-designed web page and not moaning about things is an essential part of presenting things well on the Internet. Good on Rich Burlew for that  . Dude deserves half a million dollars, or even more!
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We've got a new update. Nothing too interesting, but there are pictures of the Order of the Stickers and the notepad, and Rich is hoping for an update by 6PM EST tomorrow on the logistics of the other prize he wants to have available.
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DrakePegasus posted:I suppose what I'm saying is that Rich Burlew is a professional. In contrast Tim Buckley shits out halfassed comics, takes time off on his whims, can't tolerate any feedback that isn't 100% praise heaped upon his comic, and for all that his readers fall over themselves to provide that, when hard cash comes into the equation he raises 150 bucks and 20 joke donations. ALmost makes you believe there really is such a thing as justice in the world.
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So why do some guys in other threads in this forum snark about OotS not being a good webcomic, again? Hell, there's somebody doing it right now in "Webcomic Readers." Is it really the stick-figure thing, or what?
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Speedball posted:So why do some guys in other threads in this forum snark about OotS not being a good webcomic, again? Hell, there's somebody doing it right now in "Webcomic Readers." Is it really the stick-figure thing, or what? Stick figure thing, pretty much. And D&D content doesn't exactly get it much respect either.
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Speedball posted:So why do some guys in other threads in this forum snark about OotS not being a good webcomic, again? Hell, there's somebody doing it right now in "Webcomic Readers." Is it really the stick-figure thing, or what?
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"Stick figures? Heh must be for babbys  " is generally as far as any critique I've seen goes about the strip go. I don't think I've ever seen someone level rational complaints against the strip.Not to say OOTS is perfect, but it's one of those "Anime? I don't think so nerd.  " reactions goons seem prone to.
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Cuchulain posted:"Stick figures? Heh must be for babbys You can always go down to the Webcomics thread and see mine, then, since I was more than happy to elaborate after reading Speedball's post.
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I'd love it if he set up a goal at lik 500k with "Hawaii Vacation" or "New Car" and just going from there.
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Oxxidation posted:You can always go down to the Webcomics thread and see mine, then, since I was more than happy to elaborate after reading Speedball's post.  I mean, I could just as easily dismiss your opinions because you have a Homestuck avatar, but if I then went into the Homestuck thread and started posting, I'd look a little dumb, don't you think?
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^^^ EDIT: That is a good question.Oxxidation posted:You can always go down to the Webcomics thread and see mine, then, since I was more than happy to elaborate after reading Speedball's post. That actually was a pretty good elaboration, I'll give you that. I wasn't necessarily kneejerking or white-knighting or whatever, but the vast dichotomy of opinions puzzled me. Personally, yeah, some of the characters can be a bit "stock" and sometimes Order of the Stick seems like it's talking more about tropes than twists of the plot, but I think that's related to the art style. Burlew takes very simple things --simple art, and simple character concepts, well-worn tropes-- and has as much fun with them as possible.
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Colon V posted:Why would you be in this thread if you don't like the comic? Unless you're rabble-rousing, or something? I just don't understand the thought process. Because my original post was in the Webcomics thread. You said you reflexively get defensive when something you like is attacked. I'm the same way when people talk around me instead of engaging me directly. That said, I've got no intention of starting anything in this thread. It wouldn't accomplish anything except getting me probated.
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Oxxidation posted:You can always go down to the Webcomics thread and see mine, then, since I was more than happy to elaborate after reading Speedball's post. You called this thread "the OOTS hugbox" and said that the writing is terrible. The artwork is mostly stick figures and templates, but he's got a good eye for composition and everything is comprehensible. And the writing hasn't been terrible for years. It's not elegant prose or anything, but it's at least as good as something like MSPA. Wait a second. You know that everything is MSPA is templates, right? How could you say that's a fault when you like MSPA.
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To be absolutely fair, not everything is templates and one of the major themes of Homestuck is repetition and predestination. Having a lot of reused models and art plays into that (and is a handy excuse). Hugbox is a really stupid phrase, however. Oh no! People who like something agree with each other and are being civil about it! 
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Cabbit posted:To be absolutely fair, not everything is templates and one of the major themes of Homestuck is repetition and predestination. Having a lot of reused models and art plays into that (and is a handy excuse). I never got into MSPA much, but I certainly wouldn't hold the artstyle against it. It's just funny to me that Oxx, who clearly likes it, takes serious grievance with the same thing being done in another comic. 
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Just as Homestuck takes stereotypes (nerds, goths, furries, juggalos, to name a few) and makes them interesting and likeable, Order of the Stick takes various tropes (the stick-in-rear end paladin, the dumb bard, the power hungry wizard, the steriotypical villain, etc) and makes them interesting and likeable. There's no such thing as a totally original story. However, they both put their own unique twist into the characters and plot. As for art, Burlew's taken stick figures, stuck with a very rigid, limiting artform, and given them about as much style as you can give a stick figure. He's also gone with a very basic strip layout. Hussie's obviously gone a completely different direction and used every style from scribbles to super detailed drawings and then thrown in music, animations and flash, and done very little to let form constrain himself. But even with all those differences, you can't criticize Burlew for reusing art and using templates, when that's 90% of what Hussie does! The sprites, expressions, actions--tons of art reused! As for criticisms like "bad jokes" and "breaks the fourth wall", that's the last criticism I'd expect to see from someone with a Homestuck avatar. I mean, Hussie breaks the forth wall so bad he literally drew a fourth wall and had it broken. Hell, he broke a fifth wall too! And he has jokes that stem from poo poo like "horse porn" or "pubescent boy's naked spam porpoise." Ah yes, penis jokes--what else could better show your mastery of language and humor? To be clear, I like both comics. But I'd say the genre (D&D) is making you (Oxx) biased. Edit: Oxxidation posted:That said, I've got no intention of starting anything in this thread. It wouldn't accomplish anything except getting me probated. Uranium Phoenix fucked around with this message at 10:28 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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Uranium Phoenix posted:If you have criticisms, here is the place to discuss them; the thread doesn't have to be people agreeing with each other. Of course it does, this is the hugbox. Could we rename this thread The Order of the Stick Hugbox, actually, that sounds like a cool place to post. Edit: Nevermind I just remembered what your average DnD player looks like no hugging.
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Cuchulain posted:Of course it does, this is the hugbox. Order of the Stick Hugbox 2: Free Hugs for Well-Played Paladins.
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It's worth noting that the Oots style is bit more than 'stick figures': compare the very first strip to the very latest one and you can see that Rich has put real (sometimes subtle) work into getting as much out of stick figures as possible.
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Affi posted:I'd love it if he set up a goal at lik 500k with "Hawaii Vacation" or "New Car" and just going from there. Choc posted:I am now praying to banjo that Rich puts up a "get me to a clear million dollars and I will write a whole new OOTS 1000 plus page epic in same art style and with the same characters and stuff after the current gate arc ends" How about "Salary for a colorist, update 5 times a week."
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Pester posted:How about "Salary for a colorist, update 5 times a week." I'm obviously clueless, but would a colourist have anything to do in something like OOTS? It's not like Rich has to colour Redcloak's cloak by hand for each strip. Now, B^U perhaps could find use for an assistant to GIS background images and character designs
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