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A5H posted:The best metalcore is botch so just go listen to that on repeat. you were correct till you said etid and btbam haha. each to there own. Botch and all related bands are great. minus the bear, these arms are snakes, narrows ect.
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ShoogaSlim posted:See statements like this are what get under my skin. I was into hardcore before any of those bands were even bands. I got into hardcore by going to my friends band in high school playing to 10 kids and then hardcore/metalcore got big with Hatebreed and everything started sucking haha. Don't you think that's kind of narrow minded and extremist? Take thrash metal, a genre I'm way more familiar with. There is a band called Vektor that's released some great thrash over the past few years. Are they the greatest thrash metal band ever? No. Are some of their riffs very familiar/derivative? Yes. Are they talented? Yes. Are they fun to listen to? Yes. Now if someone came up to me and said they liked Vektor, I wouldn't look down on them and tell them they can't listen to thrash metal because it peaked in 1986 and how dare they listen to anything other than the Big Four, and only the material the big four did before 1986. Or gently caress that, Motorhead, Black Sabbath and even Queen (yes Queen) did proto-thrash songs, so gently caress early Metallica, you can only listen to those three. Finding where bands came from is awesome, being familiar where bands sounds came from is awesome, but declaring a scene dead because it's not the same as it was 10 years ago even though the genre has expanded is slightly close minded. So what if 15 year olds go to shows now? My best friend and I took his son to see Testament, Megadeth and Exodus last year. The kid loves Bring Me the Horizon, and he was rocking the gently caress out to bands that I grew up listening to, and he's 13. If you started listening to the genre in high school, you were 15 at shows once too. And chances are there was some old jaded dude listening to the music you liked and dismissing it, and you with it. I honestly feel bad for you man, because while your staunch defense of the genre is admirable, it sounds like it's not fun anymore for you. You're clinging to the memory of how a genre sounded to you and probably how you where years ago, and rather than accepting the evolution you're fighting a battle you can't win tooth and nail.
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rxcowboy posted:Actually I should have done this earlier: I am new as hell to -core genre. Where should I basically start? I was going to ask for recommendations for the best, say five to ten albums, but then I realized the problem is that the pinnacle albums for each genre aren't always the most accessible. Oh my where to begin... I know this may be a weird place to start, but have a look at some of the more "fun" bands. Most of them make no sense/are ludicrous as hell but they can be so technical and fun. I was start in that area with Arsonists Get All The Girls: Portals (please stay away from most of their other stuff, especially their newest album) iwrestledabearonce: It's all Happening Tony Danza Tap Dance Extravaganza: Danza III killwhitneydead.: Nothing Less Nothing More Just don't take them too seriously. AGATG and Danza are pretty mathy, and with iwrestledabearonce you even get country and violins! With whitney its all about misogyny, violence against women, and movie lines! On to more traditional stuff... Since you like As I Lay Dying, I can't recommend Caliban enough. They've been around a while so just pick up something in the middle of their releases. Chimaira: Chimaira and Chimaira: Resurrection both fall by As I Lay Dying too. Also anything older from In Flames, but I imagine you've heard most of their poo poo. If you want something that is pure awesomeness, check out Strapping Young Lad. Just about anything by them will do. Devin Townsend is also quite possibly one of the A.) creepiest looking and B.) most fun people to ever see live. Come back with what you like out of this and I'll get you some other stuff. Just remember not to take the poo poo at the top too seriously (and ShoogaSlim please god do not listen to the fun stuff. I don't want to hear it. I'm from Port Jeff Station and I hope to god I don't actually know you). EDIT: Oh. Seeing your post about the other technical bands makes me rethink this list. Out of the fun stuff I would just listen to Killwhitney and iwrestledabearonce for now. Pilfered Pallbearers fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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Dude, thank you so much for the bands above. They sounded awesome to me, and I'm flying around youtube now listening to more material than each. Newbie question: Honestly I couldn't handle most of the "technical" bands you listed, at least not yet. I know that what they were playing was difficult, but Botch, Converge and Cave In were just too chaotic for me. Shai Hulud sounded almost nothing like that to me, maybe it's the vocals being a little cleaner? I don't understand why you put them in the technical section.
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Kingnothing posted:Oh my where to begin... Actually, Chimaira are really loving good also and a good choice for this. They're newest album "The Age Of Hell" is really catchy, but more importantly, accessible also.
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Kingnothing posted:Arsonists Get All The Girls: Portals (please stay away from most of their other stuff, especially their newest album) I picked up Portals based entirely off the band's name and I really enjoy it. Maybe it's good that I never got around to checking out more of their stuff KWD is a bit of a guilty pleasure, but goddamn are they fun to listen to and try and pick out samples.
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XIII posted:I picked up Portals based entirely off the band's name and I really enjoy it. Maybe it's good that I never got around to checking out more of their stuff Yeah KWD is one of my favorites, it's too bad they aren't really active anymore. I picked up Portals for exactly the same reason! Hits from the Bow is still really good, but not as good as portals. And Game of Life is actually really good too. Motherland is loving godawful though. I'm actually going to rephrase. The game of life and hits from the bow are loving great. Just not as good as portals. But hits from the bow is drat close. Specifically.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh2SGxb17jk (this is seriously their best song. And the best song ever. The keyboard gets me loving wet). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfgR0u3quOE
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rxcowboy posted:I honestly feel bad for you man, because while your staunch defense of the genre is admirable, it sounds like it's not fun anymore for you. You're clinging to the memory of how a genre sounded to you and probably how you where years ago, and rather than accepting the evolution you're fighting a battle you can't win tooth and nail. I'm the only one out of a lot of my friends who still listens to heavy music when they all listen to pop and rap and stuff and actually don't like any heavy music anymore. The last Molotov Solution, Chelsea Grin, and Suffokate albums are all top-notch albums. I can still get into new stuff but it has to actually be good is what I'm saying. Kingnothing posted:recommendations Chimaira loving suck and are not a -core band whatsoever, why they get bunched in is absolutely beyond me. They're so terrible. I Wrestled a Bear Once is just as bad but they score even lower for me because they're the stupidest "hipstercore" band ever. You can make the claim that they're "fun" or whatever but if you want a fun GOOD band then listen to Every Time I Die or something. Not a loving mockery of a genre. Tony Danza are sick and their last album is completely amazing. Caliban were ok at one point. In Flames and Strapping Young Lad are not loving core bands I really have no idea what's even going on in this thread  The user bleedbackwards mentioned All Out War and they're one of the most amazing bands ever. Just listen to them all the time and you're set. e: if you guys think I'm bad I have friends who are much worse.. I'm currently arguing with a friend on facebook who doesn't like any hardcore/metalcore music except from the stuff that was around like 5 years ago and anything before or after that is all junk poo poo so he'd rather listen to Lady Gaga or whatever. Infuriating. ShoogaSlim fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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ShoogaSlim posted:I'm the only one out of a lot of my friends who still listens to heavy music when they all listen to pop and rap and stuff and actually don't like any heavy music anymore. Wait....I like what I've heard so far from Molotov Solution. And All Out War. And I think Every Time I Die is loving awesome, I started listening to them when a friend of mine played Ebolarama off Hot drat when it first came out. Does this mean you and I agree on something? OH GOD. Also Caliban is pretty good too so far!
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ShoogaSlim posted:e: if you guys think I'm bad I have friends who are much worse.. I'm currently arguing with a friend on facebook who doesn't like any hardcore/metalcore music except from the stuff that was around like 5 years ago and anything before or after that is all junk poo poo so he'd rather listen to Lady Gaga or whatever. Infuriating. Why get mad at somebody else's music tastes?
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ShoogaSlim posted:I got into hardcore by going to my friends band in high school playing to 10 kids and then hardcore/metalcore got big with Hatebreed and everything started sucking haha. the best thing about hatebreed (edit: only good thing) was when jamey jasta hosted that show on mtv2 like 10 years ago and he was interviewing some guys from poison the well, and he went to seque into a video by as i lay dying and one of the ptw dudes says, "oh that's a cool name william faulkner is awesome" and jasta just makes a face and goes "who the hell is william faulkner?" DeimosRising fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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Here's a list of bands that I just came up with at work off the top of my head for bands you should check out from what I would consider my heyday of being in the "scene" Spazzy/Grindy (way better and more genuine than wrestled a bear bullshit) Ed Gein: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2qY5ZYUXMc Daughters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r6oR449rCA The Number 12 Looks Like You: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4Q3_S3bwZ4 "Brutal"/"Beatdown" Metalcore Blood Has Been Shed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnS4XDdMOZQ Deadwater Drowning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUFZKMQsFUM (one of my absolute favs at a time, one of the best vocalists ever) Singer of that band (Nate Johnson) is currently in Fit For An Autopsy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQcIW1o2UxI Remembering Never: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omW7blz4J5Q Melodic Metalcore (this is by far my favorite genre out of them all) It Dies Today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjyCs52OHuQ endthisday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3wVNMySxWw (one of my absolute favs also at one time) 7 Angels 7 Plagues http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acuP-7HRiUg&feature=related (another fav, less "metal" and more emotional/melodic/hardcore) Forever is Forgotten: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AROvtUEU-gg From a Second Story Window http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AROvtUEU-gg (this band's first EP was more on the spazzy/tech side) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jny5PNZERgQ (but then they adopted a more melodic approach, adding clean vocals, and I liked it much, much better) If Hope Dies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPYCoMDcfMo (^^^ that songs opening pumps me up so hard) Embrace the End: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhddQRj7gdc Melodic/"Emo"-core type stuff. This Day Forward: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgwvGotU2IA (definitely one of the greatest albums of all time) Haste the Day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN1roEt7CVI (they have an album from before the one this song is on that's also really good but this one is better, imo) Poison the Well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V8UgDkQWeU From Autumn to Ashes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LyEIYXi23w Old-school/Tough guy/Classic Hardcore stuff All Out War: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMFVh6LFCow Mushmouth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNlh6Ly6fck For the Love of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPEibCVA9cE (whole album is full of awesome sound clips) Buried Alive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibyo71puR7s (singer went on to front Terror, who are FAR inferior in my opinion) Redline: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4tvE1h0BOs (intro+song, kicks in at 0:32) Candiria: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpC0AfWMTcA Shattered Realm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R1YZQ5dNrk Here are some bands with members I know Fatality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6pKwvISE-I Last Perfection: http://www.purevolume.com/lastperfection Life as a Ghost: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPpefCn5zmQ e: I know this is like the ugliest post ever but whatever 
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rxcowboy posted:Newbie question: Honestly I couldn't handle most of the "technical" bands you listed, at least not yet. I know that what they were playing was difficult, but Botch, Converge and Cave In were just too chaotic for me. Shai Hulud sounded almost nothing like that to me, maybe it's the vocals being a little cleaner? I don't understand why you put them in the technical section. Shai Hulud is still pretty technical, but more so rhythmically than anything else. They do tend to stay at a midpaced groove more than the other bands, and that was one of their more straightforward songs. If you like them but you're turned off by too much chaos (as am I), you'd probably also like It Prevails and Life in Your Way. Cave In has a fun history: the song I linked was from one of their earlier albums, then they went all soft and dreamy, then they went hard again (  ) for an album, and now they're at kind of at a midway point between the styles. You might really like their newer stuff. Also, the Converge song I linked is actually one of their less chaotic songs.
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bleedbackwards posted:Shai Hulud is still pretty technical, but more so rhythmically than anything else. They do tend to stay at a midpaced groove more than the other bands, and that was one of their more straightforward songs. If you like them but you're turned off by too much chaos (as am I), you'd probably also like It Prevails and Life in Your Way. Dude, thank you. Cave In is loving amazing and I'm glad you pointed me towards their newer material. White Silence is a loving epic album, and now I'm working my way backwards through their material. Can't stop listening to Bury Your Dead either for some reason. Shooga: I'm working my way through your post, I've been trying to listen to a shitload of bands the past day or so now, but pretty much everything from the melodic sections is awesome.
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ShoogaSlim posted:I'm the only one out of a lot of my friends who still listens to heavy music when they all listen to pop and rap and stuff and actually don't like any heavy music anymore. As I Lay Dying also isn't a "core" band. I was making recommendations of chimaria, SYL, and In Flames based on his other tastes. And hipstercore? You're serious about that? You're the most disillusioned loving moron I've ever seen. I don't think I can even count how many times in that post I said "Don't take them seriously." Just because you can't like a band doesn't mean they suck or they're for "hipsters." If I posted like you it would go something like "omg Haste the Day is for little jesus worshiping hardcore five year old girls! I can't believe you like them they're so religious and they are ruining the genre. My opinions are the only ones that matter! You're not allowed to like music I don't."
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The only reason you shouldn't take music "seriously" is if there is an amusing aspect of a band that entertains you past the point of their actual music. "This band is terrible but they're totally just dickin' around which makes it funny so therefore they are actually great!"  Also, AILD is metalcore you dolt.
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XIII posted:Seriously though, iwrestledabearonce really is loving terrible. This. Saw them live on the never say die tour once and they were just as bad live. I also can't stand HORSE the band, happens they were on the same tour and played back to back, worst hour of my life.
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MMMCCLI posted:This. Saw them live on the never say die tour once and they were just as bad live. I also can't stand HORSE the band, happens they were on the same tour and played back to back, worst hour of my life. Haha who were you waiting to see?
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The Ghost Inside, As Blood Runs Black, Architects & Despised Icon. Well worth listening through that poo poo for.
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I love this thread so much! Whats everyone's stance on Modern Life Is War? I love them to death.
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the dad farm posted:I love this thread so much! Hell yes son. gently caress THE GLORY DAYS! If you like MILW then you should try Defeater as they borrow from them pretty heavily. Also they are still releasing new stuff so there's that too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H246IBqmWY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhbFwiTte_I Hey bros post more bands like this.
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krustster posted:Hell yes son. gently caress THE GLORY DAYS! If you like MILW then you should try Defeater as they borrow from them pretty heavily. Also they are still releasing new stuff so there's that too. defeater own check out slowburn and have heart if you haven't already as well. and maybe try the other thread, you'll get more dudes into that style over there
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MLIW and defeater and have heart all own. Good work thread 
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Yeah i found defeater through listening to MLIW. It kills me that MLIW is all gone though, they were so good. Defeater is amazing though, i love their concept albums. They are also pretty cool dudes, they donated a bunch of money from the sales of their last album to the wounded warrior foundation for wounded vets!
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Other stuff to check out along similar lines would be Verse and maybe Ruiner They may not be exactly it but they're that slower hardcore kinda thing.
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Mondrian posted:Other stuff to check out along similar lines would be Verse and maybe Ruiner Yep love both Ruiner and Verse. Verse is something that everyone who is into any sort of metal or hardcore should appreciate.
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Also, play "I Don't Mind" by Defeater for a girl and watch her melt. They're really not metalcore at all, and neither are Defeater and Verse, but anyone into those bands should check out Miles Away if they haven't already.
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krustster posted about Breakdown of Sanity and even though they sound exactly like a band I might hate.. I actually really dig their Mirrors album. Turns out there's a brand new song from an upcoming 2012 release on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpB9gH6YoIE
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Hey if yall like Defeater you may like Touche Amore, they're not really metalcore, more hardcore/punk, but they own http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6rGV5p8A2c There's a few other bands who are lyrically similar, but they're even further away from the -cores. They own though, I'll list them if anyone's interested.
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Amidst all the hardcore-recommending, I wholeheartedly think every hardcore fan should head Integrity's "Humanity Is The Devil". The first side of the record is just under 15 minutes and it's among the best hardcore I've heard. The second side is a bunch of spoken word and samples about some nonsense. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdHJrg1W7Q0 Wamsutta posted:DL or no DL, the Acacia Strain are terribly inconsistent live. I'd say of the ~8-10 times we've seen them live, 50% have sounded awesome and 50% sounded like sludgy poo poo. They are my favorite band, but their sound requires the right sound guy or things get ugly in a hurry and it becomes a wall of buzzing chug with clipping vocals. I'd say the best they sounded was The Chance in Poughkeepsie (Continent release show), and the worst was at Sounds of the Underground in 07. I still like them live because they have a ton of energy, but DL was like half of their charisma, and it does suck that he doesn't tour anymore. It's really inconsistent, though I figured out a few things. -The Acacia Strain aren't really suited to playing in a parking lot mid-afternoon. -Everything sounds like sludgy crap when played through the PA in the cave known as the Webster Theater. -Even without DL, they sound better when they primarily rely on their amps rather than FOH speakers. -Earplugs help a lot. -With the introduction of six-string basses to the band, the bass is now larger than the bass player. Perhaps their sound would be better with an upright bass.
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krustster posted:Hell yes son. gently caress THE GLORY DAYS! If you like MILW then you should try Defeater as they borrow from them pretty heavily. Also they are still releasing new stuff so there's that too. no other release can top Witness. just get onto bridge nine. most bands on that label borrow from MLIW. try Sinking Ships, Give Up The Ghost/American Nightmare. also newer stuff like the carrier.
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I know we like to discuss and argue in this thread, but we can at least agree that EMMURE owns, right? F'ing stoked on their new video - as someone at stuffyouwillhate.com commented, this song seems like the next logical step for deathcore, "when a song is entirely breakdowns the only lyrics you need are calls to mosh": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW0krAXXElQ
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Killswitch Engage updated their website with a new picture of the band: http://www.killswitchengage.com/ That guy in the middle looks familiar... It's Jesse Leach
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Zodijackylite posted:Killswitch Engage updated their website with a new picture of the band: http://www.killswitchengage.com/ Welp, that's pretty loving cool  Since their album is already complete and just needs to be tracked, I wonder if they'll scrap it now that Jesse is back in the picture? I mean it's not exactly unheard of, Deftones did it before they recorded Diamond Eyes... chocolateTHUNDER fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Feb 7, 2012 |
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holy poo poo that reminds me, Bury Tomorrow has a new album coming soon and I don't think they've even been mentioned once in this thread. They aren't that similar to KSE but the regular singing is fantastic and scratches the same kind of itch if you know what i mean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgpfO1sZTPc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MzEBroEZ9E one of my top 10 "core" bands without a doubt
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krustster posted:holy poo poo that reminds me, Bury Tomorrow has a new album coming soon and I don't think they've even been mentioned once in this thread. They aren't that similar to KSE but the regular singing is fantastic and scratches the same kind of itch if you know what i mean. Hmm, this is actually pretty good...
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Eight Is Legend posted:I know we like to discuss and argue in this thread, but we can at least agree that EMMURE owns, right? F'ing stoked on their new video - as someone at stuffyouwillhate.com commented, this song seems like the next logical step for deathcore, "when a song is entirely breakdowns the only lyrics you need are calls to mosh": Love Emmure. They're getting a new album ready right now. I wonder where they shot this? I'm in their music video for Solar Flare Homicide. They shot it in Queens in an abandoned warehouse with like 50ish people. And in between shots they just hung out with us. It was pretty sick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn2A_dXoIAA
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