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Looks like we're about to see what it was that got Dirk all bloody.
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Feb 3, 2012 01:29
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Wait a minute... does this mean that Dirk can switch between his waking and dreaming selves at will? Or does his dreaming self act independently when he's awake?
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Feb 3, 2012 01:53
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It's come up before. Dirk is simultaneously awake in both selves, like Dave was, but is much more aware of it since he's had longer to get used to it. He pretends to be asleep on Derse, most of the time, and the Dersite public does not realize that he isn't.
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Feb 3, 2012 01:58
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I think it's been established that dreamselves aren't really the same entities as realselves.
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Feb 3, 2012 02:00
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Does anyone know what the deal with certain items disappearing in the dream bedrooms while others stay and some even keep full colour? (like Cal, the hoverboard, etc) Probably not really important but whatever.
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Feb 3, 2012 03:33
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We know from Cal's convoluted prior history that there can be a deal for there to be with that, but not exactly what it is with regard to all these specific objects.
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Feb 3, 2012 03:37
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Somehow the Felt Cal riding in on the meteor will end up being the one currently in Dirk's room.
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Feb 3, 2012 03:39
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Nate RFB posted:Somehow the Felt Cal riding in on the meteor will end up being the one currently in Dirk's room. Dirk can just flash step that fast.
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Feb 3, 2012 04:19
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It's all the same Lil' Cal so it's just a matter of where he is on his timeline
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Feb 3, 2012 06:41
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El Wombato posted:It's all the same Lil' Cal so it's just a matter of where he is on his timeline Actually, assuming all meteor items were duped, as evidence has supported so far, there are now two Cals: - The one that headed back with B1-Dirk, was cut to pieces, stitched back together by Bro, taken as trophy by Jack Noir, taken to the troll universe, thrown at Robo-Aradia, given a new green suit, used in the ectobiological creation of Doc Scratch, and then hung out with Gamzee. - The one that headed back with B2-Dirk, and is now hanging out in his room. It's not clear why there's a Derse-Cal here.
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Feb 3, 2012 07:16
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Bobulus posted:Actually, assuming all meteor items were duped, as evidence has supported so far, there are now two Cals: When Rose sees the MEOW code scrawled on her wall in Derse, the text flickers briefly to GCAT. I suspect there will be another Ectobiology session. The clones themselves might go to B1, because each universe seems connected and the whossname circumstancial spontanious bluh bluh is a huge deal in this story, to the point I'll be really surprised if B2 Jack doesn't lose an eye. [Edit-stupid tablet keyboard] Bell_ fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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Feb 3, 2012 11:03
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So, uh, who took that picture on the cover of the Enquiring Carapacian? When? How?
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Feb 3, 2012 11:54
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Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:It's come up before. Dirk is simultaneously awake in both selves, like Dave was wait why didn't I know this
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Feb 3, 2012 11:57
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Hanks Lust Cafe posted:So, uh, who took that picture on the cover of the Enquiring Carapacian? When? How? Who and How are trickier, but between server-client viewports, exile viewports and Trollian viewports we're pretty used to the idea of all-seeing invisible cameras in Homestuck by now. Or maybe Jack has little cameras in his eyes. It's weird, but I guess it works?
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Feb 3, 2012 12:10
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Bobulus posted:Actually, assuming all meteor items were duped, as evidence has supported so far, there are now two Cals: Dave dreams about Cal because he's pretty scared of him. Dirk dreams about Cal because he thinks Cal is loving awesome.
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Feb 3, 2012 13:11
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Hanks Lust Cafe posted:So, uh, who took that picture on the cover of the Enquiring Carapacian? When? How? I love how, in this comic, this gets to be a totally legit answer. 
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Feb 3, 2012 13:12
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Bobulus posted:Actually, assuming all meteor items were duped, as evidence has supported so far, there are now two Cals: This is the most terrifying thing
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Feb 3, 2012 15:49
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Slime posted:Dave dreams about Cal because he's pretty scared of him. Dirk dreams about Cal because he thinks Cal is loving awesome. No wonder Dirk has a crush on Jake English.
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Feb 3, 2012 16:57
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RickoniX posted:This is the most terrifying thing Now imagine this. You know how Roxy has all those mutated cats because she was trying to clone Jaspers via ectobiology? Imagine that but for Cal. Lots and lots of mutated Cals. Slime fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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Feb 3, 2012 17:33
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Bell_ posted:When Rose sees the MEOW code scrawled on her wall in Derse, the text flickers briefly to GCAT. That's because M, E, O, and W don't mean anything in genetics. G, C, A, and T do. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleobase The whole MEOW transforming into G C A and T is just showing that each of the letters corresponded to an actual nitrogeneous base in DNA. All DNA use certain ordered base pairs of Guanine, Cytosine, Adenine, Thymine, the order being the "code" as it were that determines the outcome.
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Feb 3, 2012 17:50
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Zorak posted:That's because M, E, O, and W don't mean anything in genetics. G, C, A, and T do.
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Feb 3, 2012 18:09
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Bell_ posted:Right, but would you say I'm chasing a red herring if I suspect GCAT went toward making GCAT, as opposed to Bec as we previously believed? Granted, the mountain of evidence seemed to point towards the code being used by DD to make Bec. I was figuring something done with the BARK code will somehow lead to Bec's creation in B1. Are you talking about the MEOW code? Because GCAT is actual, real-life genetic sequences.
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Feb 3, 2012 18:15
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Bell_ posted:Ever since I rewatched Jack: Ascend, I've had a hard time sticking by that theory. There would be no way the new kids and guardians could have the items from pre-scratch if the metoers didnt bifurcate. Remember, Bec wasnt part of John's ecto session anyway. DD created him. Hanks Lust Cafe posted:So, uh, who took that picture on the cover of the Enquiring Carapacian? When? How? 
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Feb 3, 2012 18:21
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Bell_ posted:Right, but would you say I'm chasing a red herring if I suspect GCAT went toward making GCAT, as opposed to Bec as we previously believed? Granted, the mountain of evidence seemed to point towards the code being used by DD to make Bec. I was figuring something done with the BARK code will somehow lead to Bec's creation in B1. edit: I'm dumb and you said this already in the part I quoted but I'm not going to pretend that I didn't make this post  Yes, because, IIRC, we witnessed the Draconian Dignitary creating Bec using the MEOW code in the EOA4 flash. There was Bec as a puppy and everything, so cross-universe meteor shenanigans are kind of out. And AR, who clearly recognizes Bec's head shape in post-sburb Earth, was there too, so it's tough to claim that it could be taking place in the post-scratch Incipisphere. In all likelihood, the BARK code is what will create/has created GCat.
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Please excuse the following post if it doesn't make any sense; I stayed up too late last night and was then awoken an hour early by a spam text. So, what's the deal with dreamselves, anyway? Basically it seems that if you, at any point in the future, will play Sburb and create your own game session, then you have a dreamself on an instance of Derse or Prospit (or both), and have had one since your birth (or ectobiological creation). The existence of dreamselves before the game actually comes into the picture seems to suggest that the eventual roster of Sburb players is predestined somehow. What if you don't have a dreamself and you start playing Sburb anyway? Would Paradox Space prevent this from ever occurring via Weird Fate poo poo (eg you'd go down to the EB Games and they'd be all "No, sorry, out of Sburbs; our last shipment was annihilated in a freak lightning storm and some kid with a four-letter name just bought the last one"), or could you possibly start playing but be guaranteed not to make it into the Medium, or what? Or, is it possible that in no instances does the game ever leave beta, and Skaianet/Crockercorp/whatever polices who gets to play by only letting kids with dreamselves on the beta list? Or maybe every single person in a Sburb universe has a dreamself, sharing a session with <x> people they are destined to one day meet and become bffsies with, but very few of them are awake? Finally, how loving dapper must Fedorafreak's dreamself-pajamas be?
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Feb 3, 2012 19:29
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Bell_ posted:Right, but would you say I'm chasing a red herring if I suspect GCAT went toward making GCAT, as opposed to Bec as we previously believed? Granted, the mountain of evidence seemed to point towards the code being used by DD to make Bec. I was figuring something done with the BARK code will somehow lead to Bec's creation in B1. Yeah no, the GCAT flash was just to indicate that it's a genetic sequence. The code is used to make first guardians of whatever you throw in there with it. Since the MEOW code was thrown in with a shot of Halley, it made puppy Becquerel. I presume in this universe, something will happen with the BARK code and Jaspers to make GCat.
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Feb 3, 2012 19:32
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Wait, the B2 kids don't have an X of Time. Does that mean there's no 'beat Mesa' and they wouldn't be able to scratch if they needed to?
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Feb 3, 2012 20:08
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Sockser posted:Wait, the B2 kids don't have an X of Time. They do have a beat mesa. Jade has it at the moment though.
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Feb 3, 2012 20:10
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NO LISTEN TO ME posted:They do have a beat mesa. No she doesn't, it flew toward Skaia Ammat The Ankh fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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Feb 3, 2012 20:21
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What else is there in Skaia besides the battlefield?
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Feb 3, 2012 20:24
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Lady of the Beech posted:What else is there in Skaia besides the battlefield? That crazy weird spindly checker tentacle stuff. You know. Also bright glowing gradients.
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Feb 3, 2012 20:27
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Lady of the Beech posted:What else is there in Skaia besides the battlefield? The clouds that show people visions, among other stuff. It's technically a "dormant crucible of unlimited creative potential" with the battlefield inside.
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Feb 3, 2012 20:28
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loquacius posted:Please excuse the following post if it doesn't make any sense; I stayed up too late last night and was then awoken an hour early by a spam text. "Coincidental inevitability" is the word Hussie used before I think. I think its just a matter of: the universe "knows" who will make it, therefore they have dreamselves.
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Feb 3, 2012 20:29
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I imagine Fedora Freak is/looks like Benedict Cumberbatch. Is this strange? ^ Yep basically. Everyone's fate is already sealed by the choices they will make and whatever else will happen to them in the future.
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Feb 3, 2012 20:33
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Also wasn't it shown/implied in the early acts that other people playing Sburb either failed to enter at all (like dying from a meteor hitting), or if they did their own sessions were doomed from the start?
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Feb 3, 2012 20:36
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Put differently, the session is predestined to happen in a certain way, and any differences in the universe that would contradict the predestined elements would split off as Betas and be culled. So all things do happen, but the narrative voice (i.e. what we see) is pulled through this mish-mash along a significantly-predetermined trajectory.
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Feb 3, 2012 20:38
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Nate RFB posted:Also wasn't it shown/implied in the early acts that other people playing Sburb either failed to enter at all (like dying from a meteor hitting), or if they did their own sessions were doomed from the start? Since nobody besides Rose produced a complete walkthrough, I guess that is true. Does the Furthest Ring connect all sessions/universes?
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So basically if you try playing but you're not Destined For Success (as measured by the possession of a dreamself) you're gonna die, but then you would have died from being hit with a meteor anyway. It's all very Calvinist, isn't it?Nate RFB posted:Also wasn't it shown/implied in the early acts that other people playing Sburb either failed to enter at all (like dying from a meteor hitting), or if they did their own sessions were doomed from the start? I don't think this is a hard rule, though. I like to think that there was at least one other successful session out there which created at least one completely unrelated universe without any meddling from Lord English at all 
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