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did WCW ever get in trouble for the Old Age Outlaws angle?
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coconono posted:did WCW ever get in trouble for the Old Age Outlaws angle? Isn't parody allowed under copyright? It's a pretty complex topic so I'm not sure. If WCW was making millions off Old Age Outlaws merch it would be one thing, but since it was kind of just a silly short angle I would assume they'd be fine.
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Feb 3, 2012 20:08
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bobkatt013 posted:I can not believe that I used to watch WCW in its death spirals and kept coming back Late WCW had this magic about it that not even the crappiest of post Monday Night Wars WWE can recapture. Every part of my brain knew it was awful awful stuff, but I kept coming back because that was just part of the show. I can't even really explain it.
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Feb 3, 2012 20:10
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coconono posted:did WCW ever get in trouble for the Old Age Outlaws angle? There's better things to sue over than Terry Funk bastardizing the name of a tag team. 
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Feb 3, 2012 20:16
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triplexpac posted:Yeah it sure was. I often wonder how much of me missing the "good ol' days" is nostalgia, and how much of it is that wrestling was actually better back then. It's gotta be nostalgia. I have no idea how Nitro was winning back then. The build up to Wrestlemania 13, one of the worst Wrestlemanias ever apparently, has been MUCH better than WCW. Part of it is because all I really knew was that Austin won the Rumble, and somehow the main event was Sid vs. Undertaker for the title. Everything in between I was clueless about, and have been really entertained by it. March of '97 right now is in this phase where every other match is an enhancement match, and the nWo is barely wrestling on shows. I think Syxx has wrestled all of 3 times since his debute 6 months earlier. It's like it's in this format of 3 minute squash match, then an interview, over and over again.
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Feb 3, 2012 20:27
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whatsabattle posted:Late WCW had this magic about it that not even the crappiest of post Monday Night Wars WWE can recapture. Every part of my brain knew it was awful awful stuff, but I kept coming back because that was just part of the show. I can't even really explain it.
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Feb 3, 2012 20:32
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WWE is just repetitive and boring. Late WCW had World Champion David Arquette, people getting buried in the desert, monster trucks, Vince Russo's popemobile, a dude kissing a donkey's butt, Viagra on a Pole... so much random stuff.
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Feb 3, 2012 20:36
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I do not think it is entirely nostalgia ... or, to try to put it a different way, the stuff was actually more interesting at the time, because you did not know how it all played out. You can keep people hooked by stringing them along for an incredibly long time, as long as you always give them a tiny bit to work with. There is probably an argument to be made that they were not even giving the audience the tiny bit of plot advancement necessary to keep them interested, though, but I have never seen 1997-era WCW.
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Feb 3, 2012 20:44
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triplexpac posted:WWE is just repetitive and boring. Late WCW had World Champion David Arquette, people getting buried in the desert, monster trucks, Vince Russo's popemobile, a dude kissing a donkey's butt, Viagra on a Pole... so much random stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4m7LnCd9RU and this.
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Feb 3, 2012 20:48
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Why are they wearing matching pants? 
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Feb 3, 2012 20:54
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triplexpac posted:WWE is just repetitive and boring. Late WCW had World Champion David Arquette, people getting buried in the desert, monster trucks, Vince Russo's popemobile, a dude kissing a donkey's butt, Viagra on a Pole... so much random stuff. Fighting over the letter T! Everything about the San Francisco 49ers match. The terrible gimmick, ScottHall.jpg, Beetlejuice run in, the belt falling out onto the floor, actually having a title change in that match. Also unironically good stuff like Lance Storm holding 3 titles.
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Feb 3, 2012 20:56
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triplexpac posted:Isn't parody allowed under copyright? It's a pretty complex topic so I'm not sure. If WCW was making millions off Old Age Outlaws merch it would be one thing, but since it was kind of just a silly short angle I would assume they'd be fine. It doesn't help that Tenay and Tony would occasionally call them The New Age Outlaws anyway.
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Feb 3, 2012 21:00
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Akileese posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4m7LnCd9RU and this. God I love late WCW. He hits the ref with a trashcan and then goes for the pinfall?  And the commentators just go with it.Astro7x posted:It's gotta be nostalgia. I have no idea how Nitro was winning back then. The build up to Wrestlemania 13, one of the worst Wrestlemanias ever apparently, has been MUCH better than WCW. Part of it is because all I really knew was that Austin won the Rumble, and somehow the main event was Sid vs. Undertaker for the title. Everything in between I was clueless about, and have been really entertained by it. March of '97 right now is in this phase where every other match is an enhancement match, and the nWo is barely wrestling on shows. I think Syxx has wrestled all of 3 times since his debute 6 months earlier. It's like it's in this format of 3 minute squash match, then an interview, over and over again. Posts like this make me begin to think that wrestling in general is just really crappy entertainment that people use as a medium to complain about (at least mainstream wrestling). Late 90s/Attitude Era is supposed to be the hey-day of wrestling, but we seem to be able to chip away at it as much as we can, too. Now it seems like the only two good tears of wrestling were 2000 and early 2001 WWE, and if you narrow it down you see that both of those years had stuff to complain about as well. The WWE thread is always going on about how bad the product is or what was wrong this week, and don't even get me started on TNA.
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Feb 3, 2012 21:09
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Eh, I know I don't really complain about any wrestling pre-WCW Invasion. I loved all that poo poo, I was so into it back then. It's hard to judge wrestling looking back on it, it's very much something you need to enjoy in the moment.
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Feb 3, 2012 21:17
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I thought WWF was really good around 1997 when Austin was becoming really big and they were doing the USA vs Canada angle. But WCW just never appealed to me as a kid at all. I wondered why everyone watched that garbage and just never found it the slightest bit compelling. It's funny to look back on it all though and now I wish I had watched it more and not been so picky.
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Feb 3, 2012 21:18
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Quarex posted:I do not think it is entirely nostalgia ... or, to try to put it a different way, the stuff was actually more interesting at the time, because you did not know how it all played out. You can keep people hooked by stringing them along for an incredibly long time, as long as you always give them a tiny bit to work with. There is probably an argument to be made that they were not even giving the audience the tiny bit of plot advancement necessary to keep them interested, though, but I have never seen 1997-era WCW. I think it's more interesting because you DO know how it's going to all play out. I started watching at Bash at the Beach '97. Yeah, a friend got me to check out Rodman on PPV and I was entertained by the entire undercard. So everything pre July '97 I am really clueless about. So I don't have any preconceived ideas about what I thought about some of this stuff, but I am more amused by it because I know these are the early days of some of these guys. Rock was a bland guy getting pushed WAY too hard, but I enjoy watching it knowing what he became. I like seeing how Chyna made her debut at the time, though I could bet that many people in the moment probably didn't like the manly looking woman attacking Marlena. Same thing about the beginning of The Nation. I never knew that Savio Vega and Crush were in the nation, and I am very intrigued to find out how it eventually became this gang wars feud in the later half of the year with Los Boricuas and DOA. WCW on the other hand is mostly bland in retrospect for matches as there are SO many enhancement matches that lead to an interview. Seeing a WCW without an nWo was very interesting, but I can't count how many times I've seen Lex Lugar go over some nobody and then cut a promo. The nWo was very interesting from July up until about World War 3, then it just starts getting repetitive. Seeing Benoit interact with Nancy is really weird... Both because of what Benoit ovbiously does, but also seeing how Sulivan booked himself into a divorce. Anyone that eventually becomes big is always fun to watch. I'll watch Kidman job to Ultimo Dragon, just because it's weird seeing him so young looking. And of course, knowing people jump to the nWo, I am still enjoying seeing how people jump ship. Still waiting to see Konan leave the Dungeon of Doom, thought it would have happened by now. I have a 40 minute train ride every day each way to work, so I've been watching just the Nitros, Raws, and PPVs so far all chronologically starting at the first Nitro.
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Feb 3, 2012 21:38
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Matlock posted:I forget the original poster, but this is the quote: That may well have been kuribo. If I'm not mistaken and/or misremembering the username, that guy used to be on an old IRC channel I (and some others here on SA) used to hang out in, and I could swear that was something he did. nasboat posted:I always knew Bret was into being shirtless (seriously, watching Wrestling With Shadows and count up how many minutes the guy actually has a shirt on), but this pissing thing is news to me. You mentioning that reminds me that I think I might still have WrestlingWithShirts.txt somewhere on my home computer. Strenuous Manflurry posted:I wouldn't put it past them, but then again I wouldn't put it past WCW to charter a private flight to get someone like Lodi to a WCW Saturday Night. All dumb realities are equally probable when it comes to WCW. If I'm not misremembering, The Death of WCW had a bit in there where they mentioned that late in the company's lifespan, someone came in at some point to do an audit of WCW's books and do some cost-cutting. The auditor found that they had a bunch of wrestlers under contract that they weren't using and hadn't used in months if not years and were just being paid to sit at home. The really crazy part, though, was that they never bothered to record that these guys had been sent home, and as a result they'd been buying them plane tickets to all the shows and sending them out. I believe the losses from these extra plane tickets added up to millions of dollars in just outright wasted money. The guys who weren't really supposed to show up but had gotten plane tickets anyway would just go and cancel the tickets and pocket the money, so they weren't about to complain since it was basically free money.
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Feb 3, 2012 23:10
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I would've gone to a show once in a while and carried off a few catering trays.
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Feb 3, 2012 23:15
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Akileese posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4m7LnCd9RU and this. best part of that match is when Terry Funk threatens to kick a horse's rear end and means it.
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Feb 4, 2012 02:34
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thefncrow posted:If I'm not misremembering, The Death of WCW had a bit in there where they mentioned that late in the company's lifespan, someone came in at some point to do an audit of WCW's books and do some cost-cutting. The auditor found that they had a bunch of wrestlers under contract that they weren't using and hadn't used in months if not years and were just being paid to sit at home. The really crazy part, though, was that they never bothered to record that these guys had been sent home, and as a result they'd been buying them plane tickets to all the shows and sending them out. I believe the losses from these extra plane tickets added up to millions of dollars in just outright wasted money. That's what I call the American Dream right there, getting fired but still collecting a pay check by accident. I hope Jerry Flynn benefited from this.
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Feb 4, 2012 03:38
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Jerry Flynn is probably still fighting dudes in the BLOCK, completely unaware of WCW closing down.
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Feb 4, 2012 03:42
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triplexpac posted:WWE is just repetitive and boring. Late WCW had World Champion David Arquette, people getting buried in the desert, monster trucks, Vince Russo's popemobile, a dude kissing a donkey's butt, Viagra on a Pole... so much random stuff. 97 WWF had tremendous booking, but the problem with a lot of it (especially early in the year) was that they were booking horrible wrestlers. So you had stuff like that.
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Feb 4, 2012 04:03
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Bocc Kob posted:Jerry Flynn is probably still fighting dudes in the BLOCK, completely unaware of WCW closing down. One of these days we're going to get a backstage segment where a superstar is wandering around backstage and stumbles into the boiler room where Jerry Flynn is waiting for them
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Feb 4, 2012 04:03
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Bocc Kob posted:I would've gone to a show once in a while and carried off a few catering trays. Yeah but that runs the risk of actually having to work. "Hey Torborg! Put down that hoagie and put this costume on!"
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Feb 4, 2012 07:58
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Jerry Flynn sucks.
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Feb 4, 2012 08:17
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MassRayPer posted:Jerry Flynn sucks. The wrongest post
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Feb 4, 2012 09:10
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MassRayPer posted:Jerry Flynn sucks. Does Jerry Flynn suck more than Uncensored '95? No. Because nothing sucks more than Uncensored '95.
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Feb 4, 2012 09:20
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The Goog posted:Does Jerry Flynn suck more than Uncensored '95? No. Because nothing sucks more than Uncensored '95. He had a match with the Cat on Uncensored '99, so sort of.
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Feb 4, 2012 09:22
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The Cat was the greatest. His entrance music said so. 
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Feb 4, 2012 09:53
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Oatgan posted:The wrongest post I remember getting an old WCW from the library and discovering that Flynn was what was the business calls a 'shooter'.
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Feb 4, 2012 17:06
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thefncrow posted:If I'm not misremembering, The Death of WCW had a bit in there where they mentioned that late in the company's lifespan, someone came in at some point to do an audit of WCW's books and do some cost-cutting. The auditor found that they had a bunch of wrestlers under contract that they weren't using and hadn't used in months if not years and were just being paid to sit at home. The really crazy part, though, was that they never bothered to record that these guys had been sent home, and as a result they'd been buying them plane tickets to all the shows and sending them out. I believe the losses from these extra plane tickets added up to millions of dollars in just outright wasted money. I'm not sure if this happened again later in the company, but I think this was mostly an issue in the earlier 90's. Bischoff talks in his book about, when he was just an announcer, a WCW employee telling him how to change your flight plans to get a new plane ticket and then get a cash refund on the original ticket since they wouldn't bother to cancel it. He doesn't name them specifically, but I believe Cornette said it was Paul Heyman. Anyway, Bischoff says in his book that once he had power he changed the travel policy so that you couldn't do that anymore. But I don't know if that became an issue again after Bischoff was no longer in charge (or if he just did nothing about it and is full of poo poo in his book).
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Feb 4, 2012 18:49
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It's quite surreal to know that at one point in time, Terry Funk had a themesong done by Cypress Hill.
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Feb 4, 2012 18:58
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Perry Normal posted:I'm not sure if this happened again later in the company, but I think this was mostly an issue in the earlier 90's. Bischoff talks in his book about, when he was just an announcer, a WCW employee telling him how to change your flight plans to get a new plane ticket and then get a cash refund on the original ticket since they wouldn't bother to cancel it. He doesn't name them specifically, but I believe Cornette said it was Paul Heyman. The "selling the ticket back" thing might have been cross-pollinated from that incident, but the buying loads of airline tickets was something that was definitely happening near the end of the company. I went back to my copy of the book and found it. The book starts talking about the time when Bill Busch was in charge of the company. One of his first moves was to grant Benoit/Malenko/Guerrero/Saturn their unconditional releases, so that's the rough timeframe on this. From the book: quote:Hearing that the company had lost more money in one month than it had in all three years of Jim Herd's reign of terror put together, he decided to cut costs. But fear not, he had a plan. Get this: they'd only fly in the guys who were going to work on a given show. Yes, it sounds incredible, but it's true. Believe it or not, up until this point they were literally buying airline tickets to each event for the entire roster of 160 or so performers, but only using twenty to thirty of them during a show.
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Feb 4, 2012 23:52
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coconono posted:did WCW ever get in trouble for the Old Age Outlaws angle? If WWF had tried to sue for that, "Billionaire ted" would have been exhibit A.
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Feb 5, 2012 02:26
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WCW was still being dumb with money in mid 2000. Lance Storm wanted his contract to cover hotel and travel expenses. Bischoff would only pay for travel. It was still a great deal so he agreed. When the contract showed up both were covered and his salary was $10,000 higher.
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Feb 5, 2012 02:30
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Astro7x posted:That's what I call the American Dream right there, getting fired but still collecting a pay check by accident. I hope Jerry Flynn benefited from this.
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Feb 5, 2012 02:35
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thefncrow posted:The "selling the ticket back" thing might have been cross-pollinated from that incident, but the buying loads of airline tickets was something that was definitely happening near the end of the company. I went back to my copy of the book and found it. The book starts talking about the time when Bill Busch was in charge of the company. One of his first moves was to grant Benoit/Malenko/Guerrero/Saturn their unconditional releases, so that's the rough timeframe on this. From the book: Ahhh, I was confusing related but separate issues. What a hosed up company. So screwy on so many levels.
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Feb 5, 2012 03:21
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MassRayPer posted:Jerry Flynn sucks. Was it Flynn or Cat that got his job because he was Garrett's karate instructor?
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Feb 5, 2012 04:56
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Suben posted:Was it Flynn or Cat that got his job because he was Garrett's karate instructor? It was Ernest "The Greatest" Miller
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Bischoff's "Cronyism hires" were Ernest Miller and DDP. One man's "He hired his loving neighbor and his kid's karate instructor" is another man's "He recognized when people he met had talent and hired them." Cat and DDP were loving awesome.
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