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zVxTeflon posted:Ok pick the 3 that are offered nationwide and why you chose them. Schools should offer what schools can offer. My high school only offered French and Spanish. The point isn't the utility of a particular language, the point is the benefit that having to learn a foreign language brings you. They could offer loving Klingon and Esperanto for all I care.
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This week was kind of weird...Orman stuck exclusively to topics on a narrow focus, middle guy was Optimism, and Lazio was just kinda there. Things only ever seemed to get any engagement with either of the interview folks---but compared to last week this was kind of a refreshing palate cleanser even if not a feast.
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Not nearly as bad as last week. Wes Moore annoyed me though. Every time he opened his mouth, it sounded like he was giving a stump speech...
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Bill's new rules this week were a response to Kennedy calling "atheism a religion" last week.Godinster posted:I never thought I'd like Suzie Orman. She wasn't bad last night. I don't like the format of her show really. And most of her advice (along with the other "financial self-help" gurus on TV) seems self-evident. e.g. Caller: "Hey Suze I have $10,000 credit card debt and $50,000 student loan debt, can I take a 30 day tour of Europe?" Suze: "No, you idiot."
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Do the wingnuts talk about this show? Please share if you find any reactions about this week's new rule.
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Vodos posted:Do the wingnuts talk about this show? Please share if you find any reactions about this week's new rule. Here is a fun discussion: http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/56852-bill-maher-performs-un-baptism-of-mitt-romneys-deceased-father-in-law/ quote:A few thoughts: quote:Bill Maher is an anti-Christ. quote:The only unforgiveable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.. As I understand Bill had a Catholilc upbringing and didn’t find out his mother was Jewish until the age of 13.. Every one has a chance of redemption until the time that they are taken out of here.. Remember the two thieves on the cross..one of them saying “If you are really the Son of God..then get us off of these crosses.” while the other said..”leave Him alone..he has done nothing to deserve this ..Lord..please remember me..” Then Jesus said to him.”This day..you will be with me in paradise.” Jesus knew his heart.. There is still time for Bill Mahers. .However,,that is between Bill and God.. Jesus said..if you deny Me before men..I will deny you before my Father. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/bil...y-the-fk-alone/ quote:First they came for the Jews, then they came for the Mormon’s, then they came for the Catholics. quote:And ‘lo Satan, after feasting upon the sins of man, did squat and pinch a large turd. And the turd’s name was Bill Maher. quote:if you replace his hatred with any race, culture, sexuality, you would be removed from the air quicker then jimmy the greek. Why do we allow this? quote:“So I guess no one here thinks its wrong that Mormons baptize dead people? Mitt’s father in law was an atheist and they “converted” his dead body.” quote:On the contrary, Lilly. The Blaze exposes this man. None of us would even know how despicable this man is without the Blaze’s attention to him. quote:Maher doesn’t seem to comprehend the term “religion” and what it means. He is an insult to his fellow man. quote:He should learn what the Mormons believe about people like him in the afterlife. That baptism will most likely have no effect. He is with those like him now. Sure he will have a chance to accept Jesus Christ but that will be his choice but he is no longer an Atheist as he is still living. He now has proof God exist. But he is still free to choose as he reexamines his beliefs. GOD never forces us he lets us choose. That is the primary Mormon belief. quote:I wish cancer on him. And so on...
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Feb 5, 2012 09:04
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Zogo posted:Bill's new rules this week were a response to Kennedy calling "atheism a religion" last week.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm glad he didn't try to do it with her there last week, as you know she wouldn't have let him finish. Oh, he would have gotten into it if it didn't happen right before the end of the show. You could tell he was pissed he didn't have time last week. It was better that he waited though since he always knocks New Rules out of the park.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Oh, he would have gotten into it if it didn't happen right before the end of the show. You could tell he was pissed he didn't have time last week. It was better that he waited though since he always knocks New Rules out of the park.
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Holy poo poo, these people at the Baze. Bill Maher is an evil, hateful person... someone should kill him / I hope he gets cancer.
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I hope in the next episode or some future one this year he unbaptizes Seamus.
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The Conservative Eyebrow Man was a bit more tame then some of his other appearances. I like Al Sharpton but there is always a cringe thing when you think about him and his past.
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Wooty posted:The Conservative Eyebrow Man was a bit more tame then some of his other appearances. Honestly I just always see him as the angry conservative version of Samir Nagheenanajar from Office Space whenever he comes on, but compared to Kennedy and that rear end in a top hat congressmman from before, an amazing breath of fresh air.
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Wooty posted:The Conservative Eyebrow Man was a bit more tame then some of his other appearances. I love the Conservative Eyebrow Man compared after I saw Lisa Kennedy 2 weeks ago.
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Yeah, while he was far less cringing than the others, it was still a pretty tame episodes without anything memorable to it really. Mo Rocca at least tried to stay interjected in the discussion to follow instead of turning all quiet like so many of the final guests after their little intro back and forth with Bill.
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 I give Conservative Eyebrow Man a pass this week. He behaved himself and he was the only one on his side. The problem even a guy like he is going to have/having is the total insanity that the Republican party has become. Even he can't bullshit his way and to defend him, he doesn't totally stick with the current talking points. Of course I don't know anything. I am a Los Angeles Elite riding the elite bus system to the Veterans Admin Hospital (loving socialism) for medical treatment. You know what us LA Elites do while on the bus? we bring crips and bloods together for pro abortion fund raising and dice play.  Edit: I was hoping I could align the images. I hope I did them Wooty fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Feb 12, 2012 |
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Feb 12, 2012 22:11
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Wooty posted:
Even if he didn't have horrible opinions though, his manner of speaking - extremely quicky, emphasizing every second word with jutting head movements, those goddamn eyebrows - he's just a difficult individual to listen to/watch when speaking. He could read a bedtime story with a toddler and make it sound as if he was imparting nuclear launch codes. *Edit - not Kennedy-levels of insufferable, natch.
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I think he is known as a writer so his performances, while needing work, are not his main thing. While looking for that picture, I found he is quite a popular person for the conservative side.
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:...his manner of speaking - extremely quicky, emphasizing every second word with jutting head movements... He does talk quickly as if he's doing dictation. Anyway I was bored with last Friday's show. Hasn't the contraception debate been long over even in ultra religious circles?
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No. There have actually been a large number of attacks on women's reproductive rights last year and continuing into this year. Some of it was on the state level so not much that made national news. http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/12/27/395239/the-gops-10-most-extreme-attacks-on-a-womans-right-to-choose-an-abortion/ It's 2012. The Republicans are a watered down party and have been for a long time. It would actually make a really interesting political case study now (I'm sure there are actually). It's hard to tell where the sane people really are when there are two parties being stretched too thin in opposing directions. Fundamentals and Libertarians are giving smart conservatives a bad name and people leaning heavily to the left are making the Democrats look like they're way over there with them instead of closer to centre. e: Hmm, I know you asked about contraception, but abortion is just a couple of steps away, right? Dudebro fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Feb 14, 2012 |
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Dudebro posted:e: Hmm, I know you asked about contraception, but abortion is just a couple of steps away, right? Yes, it's another birth control issue but I know hardcore militant anti-abortion people who have no qualms with basically any form of contraception (they're separate issues). Contraception being brought up in the media and by the politicians feels like a red herring on multiple levels to me. Devoting 15 minutes of conjecture on it on Real Time felt like Maher was humoring the Amish. Zogo fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Feb 14, 2012 |
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Feb 14, 2012 06:14
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Contraception is and will always be an issue.
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Wooty posted:Contraception is and will always be an issue. I would have to disagree, honestly I think America is the only place in the developed world where it is a issue. Give it 20 years and it wont be a issue anymore.
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mister ginger posted:I would have to disagree, honestly I think America is the only place in the developed world where it is a issue. You don't think it is an issue in the overcrowded slums? Countries that limit birth rates? You don't think it is an issue in any place dominated by catholics? You don't think it is an issue in places with AIDS epidemics? You don't think it is an issue in the entire world? Just America has hetrosexuals having sex. Vaginal sex... Every single adult that has heterosexual sex it's not an issue? The largest religion in the world does not want you to have an orgasm outside of making a baby. It is an issue every where and will always, forever and ever and ever and ever be an issue. Wooty fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Feb 14, 2012 |
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Wooty posted:You don't think it is an issue in the overcrowded slums? I meant it as it being a no brainer. Other than America it really isn't a big deal, its pretty much a basic right. I don't think anyone outside of America will try to prevent you from using contraceptives. Even the catholic church is recognizing that now.
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mister ginger posted:I meant it as it being a no brainer. Other than America it really isn't a big deal, its pretty much a basic right. I don't think anyone outside of America will try to prevent you from using contraceptives. Even the catholic church is recognizing that now.  )The Catholic church does what? Of course we are talking about a US show about US politics But the US does not exist in a vacuum and many parts of the world are forced to live in the shadow of the US. The catholic church is not a country, they can't say anything about 'basic rights' but they do project themselves all over the world. Catholics are not supposed to use birth control and not supposed to have sex without the purpose of having a baby. There is a major problem in the world of birth control. Young girls in Africa are pregnant when they are too small to even safely give birth. And of course abortion is a form of birth control - but that is another topic
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I don't know if anyone has seen (or wants to see...) this show, I found it interesting. http://billmoyers.com/episode/how-do-conservatives-and-liberals-see-the-world/ Bill Moyers was on Mahers show a few weeks ago(?)
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mister ginger posted:I would have to disagree, honestly I think America is the only place in the developed world where it is a issue. Contraception will always be an issue in America because America will always be hung up on religion and mainstream Christianity simply can't stand the idea that someone somewhere would DARE to have sex for the fun of it.
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readingatwork posted:Contraception will always be an issue in America because America will always be hung up on religion and mainstream Christianity simply can't stand the idea that someone somewhere would DARE to have sex for the fun of it. I agree. Christianity (and religion) is world wide, it is an issue everywhere. The fact that someone needs to support or back up the "right to" means it is an issue. When you have to protect the right to something then there are people who are against it.
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Wooty posted:I agree. Christianity (and religion) is world wide, it is an issue everywhere. The fact that someone needs to support or back up the "right to" means it is an issue. I guess as a Canadian this particular issue just does not make any sense to me
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mister ginger posted:I guess as a Canadian this particular issue just does not make any sense to me I don't know why it doesn't make sense to you. One google search and I find this: http://www.planb.ca/where.php Read about where it is available. 3 years ago Canada revised it's education plan. I am sure there are political pressures to change it again. http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/cgshe-ldnemss/index-eng.php here is another one that points out that Canada is more restrictive the other countries. http://www.cnmag.ca/issue-25/597-health-sex-abc-of-birth-control-pills-n00 It is a world wide issue and it effects Canada. You don't think the US's rules don't touch on Canada, the neighbor?
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Wooty posted:I don't know why it doesn't make sense to you. Edit: I forgot you are canadian, I should have said "uh boot" I don't mean to be OH fennsive.GO KINGS!
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Wooty posted:I don't know why it doesn't make sense to you. I think I'm confused what we are talking about. I'm simply saying that in Canada there really is not a issue if someone wants to use a contraceptive. Obviously there is the minority of people who don't believe in using them, but that will be everywhere in the world. It is pretty accepted practice here, and the use of contraception wouldn't invoke the type of argument in Canada that it does in the states.
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mister ginger posted:I think I'm confused what we are talking about. I'm simply saying that in Canada there really is not a issue if someone wants to use a contraceptive. Obviously there is the minority of people who don't believe in using them, but that will be everywhere in the world. It is pretty accepted practice here, and the use of contraception wouldn't invoke the type of argument in Canada that it does in the states. This is a very particular issue. Zogo did not help it by lumping it in as "birth control" This is birth control but it is also about health care, insurance, finances, taxes, religion, abortion, women vs men, govt rights etc. Ultimately it is all about the election. I treat the term birth control to mean a lot more then just getting condoms at the 7-11. Birth control is about your health and the health of your family. That is what I am addressing. When you allow the disputing voice to make small changes, large changes will be happening. What happens when they go back to making condoms slightly harder to get? They put them behind the counter and force you to ask for them? They are legally available but now they have added a barrier. You have to stop the small voice now. Both countries allow birth control but there is and always will be a battle about it with the religious and the insane.
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Wooty posted:The catholic church is not a country, they can't say anything about 'basic rights' but they do project themselves all over the world. Catholics are not supposed to use birth control and not supposed to have sex without the purpose of having a baby. Have you heard that 98% of Catholic women use some form of birth control? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/14/98-percent-catholic-women-birth-control_n_849060.html I really think it's a red herring. Maher himself has made jokes alluding to this on some of his HBO specials (how the Catholics and other christian sects disregard what their leaders say). Wooty posted:Contraception is and will always be an issue. I don't think anyone can know that for certain. I do think that religion and technology will butt heads for for the long foreseeable future but religion may just move onto even juicier more "hot button" issues. Over the centuries religion has dropped many, many issues once they became more and more embarrassing to hold onto. Zogo fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Feb 15, 2012 |
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Wooty posted:You don't think it is an issue in the overcrowded slums? All of these issues could be resolved in the indeterminate future. Wooty posted:The largest religion in the world does not want you to have an orgasm outside of making a baby. The Catholic church changes its mind on things (slowly). In 1992 they did admit making a mistake in condemning and putting Galileo under house arrest in the 1600s for espousing a belief in heliocentrism. Yes, 400 years later but it did happen. Religion will continue to mold itself into contemporary societies and shed the beliefs that no one follows. Clergy and religious leaders used to keep track of how many witches they'd exterminated on the calendar year. That practice was dropped. I believe I read that Martin Luther (protestant demigod) was a proponent of witch hunting and burning as well. Try and sell that to 2012 Christians in America. Wooty posted:Zogo did not help it by lumping it in as "birth control" It's still a subset of birth control. I only did that to link it with Dudebro talking about abortion.
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If you don't understand that putting sperm in a vagina may cause a child and you normally do this through intercourse, there is no point in continuing the conversation. Some people in the world want to enjoy the pleasure of sex or the intimacy of being with another human but don't want to create another human. It will always and forever be an issue. There is no other possible way to see it. None. Please stop trying to package things as "red herrings" or "age warfare" or whatever you want to use. Doing this only serves to move things into packages for easy disposal when they are much deeper issues then the simple little things that grouping them creates. Labeling things is a dishonest way to eliminate thought. Please excuse me for lecturing, I just enjoy my thoughts more then you guys do
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Wooty posted:It will always and forever be an issue. There is no other possible way to see it. None. I think we're coming at this with different focuses (yours broad and mine narrow). Yes, I do believe birth control/contraceptives (the many types and flavors and future ones invented will bring new political/social issues) and most of the accoutrements you mentioned above (health care, insurance, finances, taxes, religion, abortion, women vs men, govt rights etc.) will be an issue even in the distant future. What I am objecting to is Rick Santorum's statements (this falls under the religion area) and that his view (or any religious group) has even the slightest remote chance of gaining any traction even if he won the presidency. From the stats I've read 99% of women in the 15-44 age range have used some form of contraception. And Santorum is saying things like "[contraception is] a license to do things in the sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be." That's an extremely fringe position to take. Wooty posted:Labeling things is a dishonest way to eliminate thought. Isn't everything in this world labeled? If you think I'm eliminating a thought I'd like to know what it is.
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