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EnsGDT
Nov 9, 2004

~boop boop beep motherfucker~

Mightaswell posted:

interesting....

Apparently you can dev ECN-2 in standard C-41 chemistry, you just need to remove the rem-jet backing.

http://photo.net/film-and-processing-forum/00IwNM

That looks like the word on the street.

Well, we've got mostly 5219 and a bit of 5213 and 5230, so we'll see. 5219 is sexy poo poo.

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bellows lugosi
Aug 9, 2003

If you're using one-shot, I think you can just throw your film in the developer without removing remjet if it's alkaline. Should be pretty easy to 'brush off' afterwards.

penneydude
Dec 31, 2005

MS-DURP gives you the only complete set of software tools for 17-bit systems.
I got a 200' end of 5219 I bulk loaded a few test rolls of that I still need to get developed...apparently Cinelab in MA will do true ECN-2 processing of still lengths of the stuff (~6 feet) if you send them a few at a time. Last time I called them their 35mm machine was being repaired - I meant to call them back months ago but it I graduated and moved and it totally slipped my mind. Maybe I'll do that later today.

Mightaswell
Dec 4, 2003

Not now chief, I'm in the fuckin' zone.

penneydude posted:

I got a 200' end of 5219 I bulk loaded a few test rolls of that I still need to get developed...apparently Cinelab in MA will do true ECN-2 processing of still lengths of the stuff (~6 feet) if you send them a few at a time. Last time I called them their 35mm machine was being repaired - I meant to call them back months ago but it I graduated and moved and it totally slipped my mind. Maybe I'll do that later today.

Report back!

EnsGDT
Nov 9, 2004

~boop boop beep motherfucker~
I used Cinelab in undergrad and I can only vouch strongly for them. Awesome dudes.

penneydude
Dec 31, 2005

MS-DURP gives you the only complete set of software tools for 17-bit systems.
Well I just got off the phone with Cinelab, they do seem like awesome dudes. The gist of the conversation was basically this:

They got fed up with trying to fix their old 35mm machine, so they bought a new super neato one and have it all wired up, they just need to build a darkroom for it, plumb it, and test it, which he said should take about 3 weeks. They have a feature film coming in with like 150k' of film next month, so it's pretty high priority for them to get it running.

Cinelab apparently has a fairly good stream of people looking to get still-lengths of film processed and the guy said they're still dedicated to doing that, and will be updating their website next month with new pricing that will include bulk loaded ECN-2 processing, and also scanning with new 2k and 4k scanners they apparently also just bought. It sounded like they will do anywhere between 3' and 30' or so (and more, of course) of film with a minimum charge of $25, so it would be best to save up 5 or 6 36 exp. rolls and send them in all at once.

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


ExecuDork posted:

No, probably not. As I recall, I shot landscapes and there wasn't snow on the ground, so it was probably April or May. I could look it up, but :effort:

No worries, I just remembered about your experiment when I was pondering Geek USSR's predicament.
So this is what scans on our Epson Perfection 1680 (predecessor of the V750) look like :barf:

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May 3, 2006

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GWBBQ posted:

So this is what scans on our Epson Perfection 1680 (predecessor of the V750) look like :barf:


Are you scanning that to JPG? It could be set for super high compression or something. Make sure you're exporting to TIF, and if that doesn't work give Vuescan a shot.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

We might be fucked, sir.
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GWBBQ posted:

So this is what scans on our Epson Perfection 1680 (predecessor of the V750) look like :barf:

Huh. Zooming all the way in on the imgur image makes my old car (I miss that car...) look appropriately 80's - the pixelation resembles loading screens from the games I played on a 386SX back in the early 90's.

But, it's also much cleaner than what I had - did you wash the negs in something? I remember I had some white crud streaked all over, glad to see that's not (apparently) causing trouble.

eggsovereasy
May 6, 2011

Just got this in the mail today



Haven't gotten a chance to go out and shoot with it yet, but it seems pretty awesome. Even came with a battery in it, though it's alkaline and I've read the meter will be off as the battery drains so I should probably pick up a silver one.

NihilismNow
Aug 31, 2003

eggsovereasy posted:

Even came with a battery in it, though it's alkaline and I've read the meter will be off as the battery drains so I should probably pick up a silver one.

What kind of battery is it? Zinc might be better.

alkanphel
Mar 24, 2004

Good lens on that Yashica but I really didn't like the rangefinder patch in the viewfinder.

eggsovereasy
May 6, 2011

NihilismNow posted:

What kind of battery is it? Zinc might be better.

A544, which I believe is the same as 4SR44, not sure about zinc.


alkanphel posted:

Good lens on that Yashica but I really didn't like the rangefinder patch in the viewfinder.

I've not used a Leica or anything really nice like that, but the patch is way better than that in the Olympus XA or Yashica Electro 35 GSN that I have used. However, the viewfinder is a bit smaller than the GSN's and you can see the lens barrel in the viewfinder, which is a little weird.

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


ExecuDork posted:

Huh. Zooming all the way in on the imgur image makes my old car (I miss that car...) look appropriately 80's - the pixelation resembles loading screens from the games I played on a 386SX back in the early 90's.

But, it's also much cleaner than what I had - did you wash the negs in something? I remember I had some white crud streaked all over, glad to see that's not (apparently) causing trouble.
He last few strips were streaked but it wiped off pretty easily. I'm going to rescan a strip or two next week and see if I can get a cleaner image wit better contrast.

Elite Taco
Feb 3, 2010
Someone sell me an Minolta Super-T with a 58mm/1.4 lens. Thanks in advance.

Mannequin
Mar 8, 2003

eggsovereasy posted:





The Tri X seems to be a rougher on the shadows, which is cool if that's the look you're going for, but if you're scanning negatives and plan to do some digital adjustments you could probably accomplish the same thing with HP5.

I know this is a couple pages back but thanks for doing this. I have always felt like Tri-X was too hard. I have always liked T-Max but have heard from others here and elsewhere that it's not really a desirable film. So maybe my tastes are off. I definitely like the look of HP5 better than the Tri-X. I have shot with HP5 but still felt it was a bit harsh. I also have a whole bunch of Tri-X in 35mm which I bought up one day not knowing how much I was going to dislike the contrast. Now I guess I should just use it up. Anyway, thanks for posting this, it was an interesting comparison.

bellows lugosi
Aug 9, 2003

Don't scratch your wet emulsions.

alkanphel
Mar 24, 2004

Mannequin posted:

I know this is a couple pages back but thanks for doing this. I have always felt like Tri-X was too hard. I have always liked T-Max but have heard from others here and elsewhere that it's not really a desirable film. So maybe my tastes are off. I definitely like the look of HP5 better than the Tri-X. I have shot with HP5 but still felt it was a bit harsh. I also have a whole bunch of Tri-X in 35mm which I bought up one day not knowing how much I was going to dislike the contrast. Now I guess I should just use it up. Anyway, thanks for posting this, it was an interesting comparison.
Have you considered trying out Neopan 400?

dukeku posted:

Don't scratch your wet emulsions.


You need CS5 spot healing tool to fix that.

eggsovereasy
May 6, 2011

Mannequin posted:

I know this is a couple pages back but thanks for doing this. I have always felt like Tri-X was too hard. I have always liked T-Max but have heard from others here and elsewhere that it's not really a desirable film. So maybe my tastes are off. I definitely like the look of HP5 better than the Tri-X. I have shot with HP5 but still felt it was a bit harsh. I also have a whole bunch of Tri-X in 35mm which I bought up one day not knowing how much I was going to dislike the contrast. Now I guess I should just use it up. Anyway, thanks for posting this, it was an interesting comparison.

I agree, I tried so hard to like Tri-X since that seems to be everyone's favorite and Kodak is American and all :patriot: In the end I prefer HP5, but it can come out very contrasty too (like my recent post of assembly lines to SAD).

I haven't tried T-Max, but I have used Delta 400 which seems similar. I think i've only seen you post color stuff, but if you try some B&W give it or Neopan, as alkanphel suggested, a try.

TheLastManStanding
Jan 14, 2008
Mash Buttons!

dukeku posted:

Don't scratch your wet emulsions.



Maybe it's late, but the roads around here are so bad that I couldn't find the scratch you were talking about.

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

eggsovereasy posted:

I agree, I tried so hard to like Tri-X since that seems to be everyone's favorite and Kodak is American and all :patriot: In the end I prefer HP5, but it can come out very contrasty too (like my recent post of assembly lines to SAD).

Have you tried messing around with your agitation method? Agitating too hard will overdo the highlights.

eggsovereasy
May 6, 2011

HPL posted:

Have you tried messing around with your agitation method? Agitating too hard will overdo the highlights.

I haven't really fiddled with it, I do four inversions over 10 seconds to start and once every minute after that. Doesn't seem that would be too much?

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

eggsovereasy posted:

I haven't really fiddled with it, I do four inversions over 10 seconds to start and once every minute after that. Doesn't seem that would be too much?

No. Quite similar to mine, actually.

eggsovereasy
May 6, 2011

I meant I repeat the 4 inversions over 10 seconds every minute!

Think 1 inversion every minute may be better? I'll give it a go next time I shoot some film.

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

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I generally do 5 seconds per minute. It shouldn't make a big difference, everything still works out even if you use super weak developer and agitate very little at all.

eggsovereasy
May 6, 2011

Last time I went out there was a lot of cloud cover and very even lighting, so pretty low contrast. In a situation like this I would have benefited from increased agitation during development right? To bring out some more contrast.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

eggsovereasy posted:

I meant I repeat the 4 inversions over 10 seconds every minute!

Think 1 inversion every minute may be better? I'll give it a go next time I shoot some film.
Yeah that's a lot.

8th-snype
Aug 28, 2005

My office is in the front room of a run-down 12 megapixel sensor but the rent suits me and the landlord doesn't ask many questions.

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People who invert more than ten seconds a minute are communists and deserve harsh highlights. :clint:

eggsovereasy
May 6, 2011

evil_bunnY posted:

Yeah that's a lot.

Ilford says 4 times over 10 seconds every minute, Kodak says 5-7 inversion over 5 seconds every 30 seconds. I've been using HP5 so I just went with Ilford's method. I don't really know what I'm doing though.

I just don't know what changing different variables tends to do. Less agitation brings in the highlights and more develops them more. Developing shorter will leave your shadows black and longer will bring out detail? So shortening dev time while adding more agitation should make it very contrasty? Reversing should do the opposite?

What difference does temperature make?

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



eggsovereasy posted:

What difference does temperature make?

This is pure speculation on my part, but higher temperature makes the developer more active, and agitation also effectively makes the developer do more action, so I think higher temperature is more or less equivalent to more agitation.

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May 3, 2006

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8th-samurai posted:

People who invert more than ten seconds a minute are communists and deserve harsh highlights. :clint:

Decadent capitalist pig dogs making for to develop their high contrast films. The People's Film is low contrast, and only by the sweat of the People's brow does she produce a printable image. :commissar:

OjaiYoda
Nov 13, 2009

eggsovereasy posted:



What difference does temperature make?

the higher the temperature the higher grain you will get. at least with the developer i use. my friend used super hot water with some slow/medium speed film and it looked like it was 3200.

charel
Apr 11, 2009
isn't developer more active at higher temperatures? so if you're running it hotter you need to dev for a shorter period of time, otherwise it'll be overcooked.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord

charel posted:

isn't developer more active at higher temperatures? so if you're running it hotter you need to dev for a shorter period of time, otherwise it'll be overcooked.



edit-- DISCLAIMER: this is for HC-110, it may or may not apply to your developer of choice.

Count Thrashula fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Feb 7, 2012

Blamethrower
Nov 26, 2006

Picked this up in a charity shop today - came with two other lenses, a Minolta 50mm 1.7 and a Vivitar 70-210. The one on the camera is a Minolta rokkor 24-50.

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
I got my first roll of E-6 back from the lab today :swoon: it looks so amazing! I can't wait to scan it later. It's some really expired Agfachrome 100.

Bioshuffle
Feb 10, 2011

No good deed goes unpunished

I had a chance to get some pictures from an anime convention. Can someone explain me what's happening with the 2nd picture?





Also, I am really impressed with my Yashica 230-AF.

365 Nog Hogger
Jan 19, 2008

by Shine
If I had to guess I would say it is bromide drag, possibly due to insufficient agitation.

Bioshuffle
Feb 10, 2011

No good deed goes unpunished

Reichstag posted:

If I had to guess I would say it is bromide drag, possibly due to insufficient agitation.

So basically, next time I should take it to a real photolab, not Walgreens? I have one right around the block :( Here are some more.

Yashica 230-AF


Mamiya-Sekor 1000 DTL


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365 Nog Hogger
Jan 19, 2008

by Shine
Ohhh, those are c-41. In that case that's not what it is. Possibly a very minor light leak then, only visible at slow shutter speeds, does it show up on any other frames?
Also that bike photo is pretty badass.

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