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Nerokerubina
Jun 7, 2007

I think swords are neat. Do you think swords are neat?!
Incidentally mbu using players from the late 1800s/early 1900s isn't just for the goofy name value - these pitchers ("deadballers") tend to have astronomically low home run rates compared to their modern counterparts. Deadballers are quite often the most effective and cost-efficient players in WIS.

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foolish_fool
Jul 22, 2010
Ok so when that exhibition season finished (I ended 6-4 and came second :3:) I joined a full open league and drafted prettymuch based on the advice above (killing my batting bench and seeking some real talent in those corner outfield spots). My dilemma now is that I don't really know what to do with my pitching staff. Starters are easy and I think I know who I want as Long Relievers and at Closer, but what is the difference between A and B for LR/Setup/Closer, should I be worried about LH/RH specialists / Tandem? My pitching staff looks like this:



The system assigned the "Mop Up" to that very odd-looking Earl Moore (28 innings in 3 games and 0 ERA?), otherwise it seems mostly like a random assortment of players between A and B and I have no idea what should go where. Aside from general roles, what else should I be worring about with pitchers? If it helps, I assigned myself Dodger Stadium.

ThatsMyBoye
Nov 21, 2006

I wish that I believed in fate
I wish I didn't sleep so late
I used to be carried in the arms of cheerleaders
On my signal, unleash bats.

AlleyViper
Sep 15, 2007

Oh, there's plenty of other balls in the sea. Plus, you're not very talented.
So, someone who has more experience than me, tell me if I'm crazy to think that Carlos isn't going to grow very much more. My advance is 13.

Devo
Jul 9, 2001

:siren:Caught Cubs Posting:siren:
Glove and arm accuracy are both still progressing at a steady rate but I don't think either will hit your projection. His contact rate is still going up a tick per snapshot so he'll probably bust your projection there. His splits and eye likely almost maxed. Maybe if you're lucky he'll pick up another 3 points of range in rollover and can be a below average defensive SS instead of a good defensive 3B.

AlleyViper
Sep 15, 2007

Oh, there's plenty of other balls in the sea. Plus, you're not very talented.
I'm not counting on him becoming a SS in any way, it's gravy if he does. I was just mostly hoping he'd be able to reach 80/90/70/70/70 offensively.

Devo
Jul 9, 2001

:siren:Caught Cubs Posting:siren:
Well he's already there in 3 out of 5 of those :v:

He'll get at least one more point in eye, but might come up barely short in left split. He's still young though so you might get a few random points in splits past his 4th year anyway.

ThatsMyBoye
Nov 21, 2006

I wish that I believed in fate
I wish I didn't sleep so late
I used to be carried in the arms of cheerleaders
He should still get a couple more points of durability for the start of next season, too, which is always nice.

AlleyViper
Sep 15, 2007

Oh, there's plenty of other balls in the sea. Plus, you're not very talented.
Here's another question. I've got this IFA I picked up earlier in the year



Here is how he has performed so far



My High A hitting coach is rated 60. My AA hitting coach is a 77.

Would I be best served pushing him up to AA already given the coaching disparity and his performance, even though he's still so raw, or should I just stick him out in High A the rest of the season?

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

AlleyViper posted:

Would I be best served pushing him up to AA already given the coaching disparity and his performance, even though he's still so raw, or should I just stick him out in High A the rest of the season?

AA

ArtVandelay
Jul 13, 2004

This league sounds kind of interesting, anyone interested?

nasboat
Sep 9, 2004

jeffersonlives posted:

AA

This. Always go with the best coaching. You could leave Bennett in AA for two full seasons before you had to bump him up, and could leave him in AAA for two more if you were going for the "four years in the minors" route. That would alleviate any fears of 'rushing' him.

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He has come home, where he belongs. The Ancient Mariner returns to lead his first team to glory, forever and ever. Amen!


ArtVandelay posted:

This league sounds kind of interesting, anyone interested?

So you pitch your SP back to back games then give him one game off? Sounds interesting, kinda.

AlleyViper
Sep 15, 2007

Oh, there's plenty of other balls in the sea. Plus, you're not very talented.
Alright, seriously, why does sparky CONTINUALLY pull my starting pitchers BEFORE they hit their TPC in HBD? I never, ever, ever have this problem with sim league teams. This is happening frequently to a team that has a DH, so there's no excuse for pulling my starter for a pinch hitter, either.

I just lost a game where my starter had thrown 7 shutout innings allowing just 3 hits and 0 walks. His TPC/MPC is 90/105 and he was pulled after 88 pitches. Leading 3-0, my bullpen gave up 4 runs in the 8th.

I'm so loving sick of this.



e: four games earlier, sparky let him throw 101 pitches despite giving up 4 runs in 5 innings. I don't get it.

AlleyViper fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Feb 4, 2012

Devo
Jul 9, 2001

:siren:Caught Cubs Posting:siren:
All the runs have to score via dinger or they don't count

saffi faildotter
Mar 2, 2007

foolish_fool posted:

Ok so when that exhibition season finished (I ended 6-4 and came second :3:) I joined a full open league and drafted prettymuch based on the advice above (killing my batting bench and seeking some real talent in those corner outfield spots). My dilemma now is that I don't really know what to do with my pitching staff. Starters are easy and I think I know who I want as Long Relievers and at Closer, but what is the difference between A and B for LR/Setup/Closer, should I be worried about LH/RH specialists / Tandem? My pitching staff looks like this:



The system assigned the "Mop Up" to that very odd-looking Earl Moore (28 innings in 3 games and 0 ERA?), otherwise it seems mostly like a random assortment of players between A and B and I have no idea what should go where. Aside from general roles, what else should I be worring about with pitchers? If it helps, I assigned myself Dodger Stadium.

I noticed that nobody commented on this so here's some basic rules of pitching staffs:

- when in doubt, use them as setup A
- mopup is the role for your shittiest pitcher
- A/B is who comes out first. Long Relief A is less valuable than Setup A, and while Closer A is not intrinsically less valuable than Setup A, it adheres to modern closer logic for the most part, instead of using your best pitchers to get the toughest outs
- peripherals are more important than ERA! this is probably the most important thing I don't know why it's last. if you have access to the Advanced player search, look for ERC#, but otherwise look at the player's Opponent Batting Average (OAV) and walk rate (BB/9). ERA generally matches up with performance, but it doesn't predict future performance at all. i don't know how that staff will do but my guess is "not well", even in dodger stadium. the biggest thing to look at for a pitcher is "does he put men on base", either via hits or walks, while in the sim ERA determines how hard they hit the ball when they hit it (HR/9 also affects this in how many home runs they give up). several of your pitchers put lots of guys on base, but left them there (mostly through luck, rather than skill), and in-sim they will probably put lots of guys on base and then the opponent will score runs. this is the sort of thing i should have mentioned before you made a team, but this is how learning works generally

wow that's a lot of words in one block, here's a picture of a bird

foolish_fool
Jul 22, 2010

Male. Bi. Unix. posted:

:words:
Thanks (good advice is still good advice for next time). My bullpen is definitely the thing giving me the most grief, but fortunately I got some non-terrible AAA pitchers and Cy Young/Overall seem to be dominant so far (contributing 9-0 of my current 13-6) and limiting the opportunities for anyone else to screw things up. The real test will come over the next few days when I play the other guy in my League performing well...

saffi faildotter
Mar 2, 2007

Yeah I didn't really touch on that but that is some great starting pitching there. The rotation's a little wonky but nothing unworkable, and it does mean you have to keep an eye on Three-Finger to make sure he's not starting games below 100%.

Devo
Jul 9, 2001

:siren:Caught Cubs Posting:siren:
Keep an eye on the waiver wire too. If any good relievers come up at less than $2 mil I'd consider dropping Spaceman and picking one of them up instead.

AlleyViper
Sep 15, 2007

Oh, there's plenty of other balls in the sea. Plus, you're not very talented.
What

CanadianJericholeaf
Jun 9, 2004

by Lowtax
Posting to say this is the first time all of my teams have records over .500 (currently have four teams).

ArtVandelay
Jul 13, 2004

So, in Random Captain, I got Jerry Koosman. Ugh.


I'm kinda interested in doing this league to confirm my suspicions on just how much of a crapshoot WiS really is.

Groucho Marxist
Dec 9, 2005

Do you smell what The Mauk is cooking?
I got Mark McLemore in RC. I guess I'll post this here even though I've discussed the team in IRC

CanadianJericholeaf
Jun 9, 2004

by Lowtax

ArtVandelay posted:

So, in Random Captain, I got Jerry Koosman. Ugh.


I'm kinda interested in doing this league to confirm my suspicions on just how much of a crapshoot WiS really is.
What's wrong with Jerry Koosman?

foolish_fool
Jul 22, 2010
Is there any way to change my Next Scheduled Starter? I seem to be able to change everything else except that and I want to rest him for a game.

AlleyViper
Sep 15, 2007

Oh, there's plenty of other balls in the sea. Plus, you're not very talented.
Nope, once a guy is set to start he's locked in. It's why it's good to keep an eye on your stamina so you can make the needed adjustments ahead of time.

ArtVandelay
Jul 13, 2004

meh

Bob Shabazz
Oct 21, 2008

At 12:17 a.m. MU police spotted Mauk, 19, run a stop sign while driving his scooter east on Kentucky Boulevard - with two female passengers on board.


I love this draw.

Power of Pecota
Aug 4, 2007

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

foolish_fool posted:

Is there any way to change my Next Scheduled Starter? I seem to be able to change everything else except that and I want to rest him for a game.

Go to pitcher settings, give him a 5 pull rating and enter "None" for TPC and MPC. Set who you want to start the game to a long relief spot and make sure they have the TPC/MPC right. I've done this before and it's had the manager pull the fatigued starter who I left in two batters into the game (although the pitcher gave up a walk and a dinger).

If you do this, make sure you set the rotation back to normal before the next update, pitch counts and all.

AlleyViper
Sep 15, 2007

Oh, there's plenty of other balls in the sea. Plus, you're not very talented.
Probably better to set MPC to 40 to make sure there is a line that Sparky shouldn't cross. None/None is what you set a mopup guy to when you're having him be a sacrificial lamb.

Power of Pecota
Aug 4, 2007

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!

As long as you set it to 5 pull, they shouldn't make it to 40 pitches. Going none for TPC and 40 for MPC could hedge that, though.

Devo
Jul 9, 2001

:siren:Caught Cubs Posting:siren:
I got a pretty good RC draw in Jose Mesa. This still has some tweaking to do and I'm not sure which park I want to go in yet. I could make an absolutely sick and disgusting offense but I finally managed to pare it down under 50 mil to get the whole thing under the cap.

AlleyViper
Sep 15, 2007

Oh, there's plenty of other balls in the sea. Plus, you're not very talented.

Power of Pecota posted:

As long as you set it to 5 pull, they shouldn't make it to 40 pitches. Going none for TPC and 40 for MPC could hedge that, though.

I'd still set the TPC to none, I would hope that Sparky would see that and realize that if a dude gets bombed right away that he's not obligated to keep working the guy. The 40 MPC is really there just in case the guy actually pitches well (which can and has happened) or well enough not to get pulled immediately.

AlleyViper
Sep 15, 2007

Oh, there's plenty of other balls in the sea. Plus, you're not very talented.
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Devo
Jul 9, 2001

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Any longer time HBD players have tips on picking towards the bottom of the draft? Because of my signing of every type A on the board and no one really picking up my type Bs I'm drafting at 39, 88, and then down in no man's land. How should I be ordering my board to maximize my chances of a major league player at 39?

saffi faildotter
Mar 2, 2007

AlleyViper posted:

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What kind of real life comp is this even? Honus Wagner? Maybe he doesn't make it to SS but still

ThatsMyBoye
Nov 21, 2006

I wish that I believed in fate
I wish I didn't sleep so late
I used to be carried in the arms of cheerleaders

AlleyViper posted:

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Good God drat

Devo
Jul 9, 2001

:siren:Caught Cubs Posting:siren:
That's 18 mil scouting so not entirely accurate. But I've never seen a guy projected at 100 OVR before. Maybe he'll drop to 39 :v:

gyroball
Jul 29, 2003

Fortunately, the people found a mighty Rosenthal, called Trevor.

AlleyViper posted:

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I think we might have found the first player potentially better than Leo Egan

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oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

gyroball posted:

I think we might have found the first player potentially better than Leo Egan

This is a blasphemous statement

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