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Thel posted:1: Yellow card both keepers, have them swap back. Note it in the match report, suspect the gaffer is a oval office. In regard to your edit, the way I see it is that he intended to deny the goal, however he failed quite miserably in doing so and was therefore not worthy of a red card. Caution him for being an unsporting prick regardless.
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The bastard in the black rules as follows:Hackett posted:1) Law 3 deals with this sort of situation specifically, making it clear that if a change of goalkeepers is made without your permission, you must caution both the individuals involved. You also need to ask the new goalkeeper to leave the field of play so that the substitution can be completed properly. Then restart with a corner kick.
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Jan 24, 2012 20:38
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 1)You are in effect 'a goalpost with a whistle', so play on. Include the incident in your report, and phone the chairman of the local sunday league to let him know you'll be reffing there for a while. 2) Make him change, report him. Or let everyone else have steelies too, and make sure your back's turned when they 'tackle' the keeper. 3) Speak to the local cops. If they're satisfied there's no danger, play on. Then punch the police chief, because all cops are bastards.
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Jan 27, 2012 11:04
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Semprini posted:
As a goalpost the keeper has effectively taken two touches with a goal kick. That said use common sense and play on. Make him change and reprimand the 4th official? Play on if you feel there's no danger. Report to uefa.
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Jan 27, 2012 11:21
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1. You do nothing. As far as you're concerned, you're part of the pitch. If it ends up being a decisive moment in the game, apologise to the losing team's manager and include your own idiocy in your report. 2. Make him change the boots, include in report. 3. Let play continue after consulting stewards and security, but if crowd gets worse, stop game. Write scathing report, recommend massive fine and points deduction for the team with racist oval office supporters.
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Jan 27, 2012 11:32
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If safety due to crowd aggression is an issue, can't the ref/governing body award a 3-0 win to the away team anyway if the game is abandoned? I remember this happening before, I think maybe in the Inter-Milan CL quarterfinal the one year when there were all the flares and stuff.
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Jan 27, 2012 16:49
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1) The ball never touched another player. Yes, you're an idiot (you should not even be there on a GK in the first place), but now you have to award an IDFK to the attacking team. Hopefully they'll show some sportsmanship and just knock it out of play. 2) Ask him to remove it. Document accordingly. 3) play on, document in report, blah blah
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Jan 27, 2012 18:06
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vyelkin posted:If safety due to crowd aggression is an issue, can't the ref/governing body award a 3-0 win to the away team anyway if the game is abandoned? I remember this happening before, I think maybe in the Inter-Milan CL quarterfinal the one year when there were all the flares and stuff. Yeah it happens more often than you think. 3-0 is the score if the game is abandoned, though it could just as easily be the home side for other reasons.
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Jan 27, 2012 22:13
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Semprini posted:1)Say your sorry and give them a free kick? 2)Report him and look the other way if there any fouls on him. 3)If there's no danger to the players then play on and have the cops ready to get them out of their when the game ends.
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Jan 28, 2012 00:28
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Semprini posted:1) The keeper can't handle it after taking a goal kick, I think this is an indirect free kick from where he picks it up. 2) Make him change it, mention it in your report. 3) Play on, mention it in your report.
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Jan 28, 2012 01:00
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Semprini posted:1: Play on, make mental note to self to check the schedule for the Doveshire Sunday league because you're a loving muppet. Oh and that's where you'll be reffing after the match report goes in. 2: Caution him, make him change boots, note it in match report. 3: If the stadium security are happy, play on. Note it in your match report.
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Jan 28, 2012 09:49
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1. Play on, write it in your match report, hope you like the Mid-Sussex Football League. 2. Yellow for improper equipment and make him change it. Write it in the match report. Keep your back to him as much as possible. 3. Ask security if they think there's any threat to the players or if you've been transported to Italy. If so, abandon the match and award victory to the away team if possible. If not, play on but keep the cops handy to get the away players out at any moment.
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Jan 28, 2012 13:43
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You can't play on for 1), it's an indirect free kick against the goalkeeper because another player hasn't touched it yet. But yeah the ref would definitely be getting demoted.
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Jan 28, 2012 14:43
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Keith Hackett posted:1) Tempting as it may be, don't show yourself a red card. You are considered part of play and if the ball strikes you so be it – though of course you should never deliberately play the ball. You must penalise the keeper: he has effectively played the ball twice, with no other player having touched it. Restart with an indirect free-kick from where the keeper picked it up.
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Jan 30, 2012 18:33
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So if the home team is winning it's cool to call the match, but if they are losing they get a chance to even it up (eventually) when play resumes? That seems backwards. edit: or does that mean abandoning the match and having the away team win 3-0 for the crowd abuse? I'm missing something obvious here, I know it.
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Jan 31, 2012 00:37
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CannonFodder posted:So if the home team is winning it's cool to call the match, but if they are losing they get a chance to even it up (eventually) when play resumes? Typically when a game is abandoned due to fan violence the home side is penalized for failing to control their fans. Sometimes this means a replay (usually at a different venue or behind closed doors I think) and sometimes it means a 3-0 win is awarded to the away team. As far as I know it's very rare for the home team to be rewarded in any way for their own fans being cunts.
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Jan 31, 2012 00:44
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So somebody handcuffs themself to the goalpost during the first half...
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Jan 31, 2012 21:45
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Psybro posted:So somebody handcuffs themself to the goalpost during the first half... Punch them in the face.
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Feb 3, 2012 11:51
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1. Not a problem. The ball isn't live until it's kicked. You'll often see players do this in windy conditions. 2. If it was intentional, yellow card to both. Not sure how to restart, freekick as it was, maybe? 3. IDK for backpass? Not sure.
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Feb 3, 2012 13:02
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If the last one isn't a backpass, how would it be different from say, the keeper stopping the ball with his foot then pick it up? Or maybe kick the ball very lightly then pick it up?
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Feb 3, 2012 13:25
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Would the kick taker have done anything wrong on #2? Hard to think what he'd be booked for - most of the dangerous play rules are defined as things done when challenging for the ball, not when you actually have hit. I suppose you could give it under some catch-all unsporting behaviour clause.
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Feb 3, 2012 13:33
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1. Thats fine, plus its scotty parker 2. just restart the play, getting smashed in the groin is enough no need for a card 3. No loving idea
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Feb 3, 2012 14:39
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peanut- posted:Would the kick taker have done anything wrong on #2? Hard to think what he'd be booked for - most of the dangerous play rules are defined as things done when challenging for the ball, not when you actually have hit. I suppose you could give it under some catch-all unsporting behaviour clause. There is scope for kicking the ball at someone deliberately (e.g. taking an indirect free kick, you can kick it at a defender so that it rebounds back to you and you can play on), but kicking the ball at someone with intent to hurt him (such as in this case, blasting the ball at the player) is a yellow card for the kick taker. I'd probably book the defender for failing to retreat as well and then give a free kick to the defending team. 3) is hilarious. If the keeper deliberately headed the ball onto the crossbar then it's an indirect free kick to the attackers and the keeper gets a yellow for attempting to subvert the backpass rule. If he tried to head it over then I don't think he's actually done anything wrong. Scikar fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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Feb 3, 2012 14:44
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New passage of play when it hits the bar, right? No backpass. Even then it's come off a header (his own) rather than a kicked pass so I don't see a problem.
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Feb 3, 2012 14:47
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I was looking through the rules to see what you could book the free kick taker for, and found this rule:quote:A goalkeeper is not permitted to touch the ball with his hand inside his own penalty area in the following circumstances: I really can't imagine what set of circumstances this is describing. It seems like it's saying if a keeper parries a shot that then bounces into the penalty area, they can't then pick it up unless someone else touches it first? Is it just to stop the keeper catching the ball, putting it on the ground to kick it, then picking it up again if an opposing player rushes in? peanut- fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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Feb 3, 2012 14:54
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I think it means the keeper can't punch a cross into the air and then catch it, as opposed to saving it with an open palm and not being able to keep hold of it.
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Feb 3, 2012 15:31
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That little clause is to stop goalkeepers wasting time by catching the ball, holding it for six seconds, then dropping it, dribbling it to another part of the penalty area, and picking it up again for six seconds, over and over again. Once you've had the ball in your arms and dropped it, you can't then pick it up again to throw or kick from hand; you've got to kick it off the floor, and you can't go "oh poo poo pressure" and fall on it to save yourself being hilariously dispossessed. The parrying clause is just speculative writing to stop barrack-room lawyers from batting the ball around without catching it and then saying "aha, but I haven't caught it, you see, I can catch it and then have six seconds...", it doesn't prevent anything that's done in the spirit of the game.
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Feb 3, 2012 21:27
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1) The kick is not taken until the ball is kicked so there is no handball offence here, but why is he moving it when you've blown the whistle to indicate that it can be taken? Have a word and book him if he persists as he may be wasting time/just being a twat. 2) Fair's fair. Play on. 3) A pass so badly hit that it will go in cannot really be construed properly as a backpass so there is no offence, so long as you're sure the defender hosed it up. If not then it counts as deliberately circumventing the law and is an IFK and a yellow for unsporting conduct against the keeper. Psybro fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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Feb 3, 2012 21:45
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From the mouth / pen of Hackett:quote:1) It is not handball as the ball was not in play – but you still need to intervene. When you award an attacking free-kick near the penalty area you go through a clear process: positioning the ball, telling the attacking players to leave it where it is and only take the kick on your signal, then positioning the wall. This player has ignored you, so show him a yellow card for unsporting behaviour, then restart with the original free-kick.
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Feb 6, 2012 11:48
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The first one's bullshit.
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Feb 6, 2012 14:01
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Every so often I reckon someone bets him a tenner that he won't give a perverse-but-technically-justifiable answer.
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Feb 6, 2012 14:42
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Trin Tragula posted:Every so often I reckon someone bets him a tenner that he won't give a perverse-but-technically-correct answer. What would you have done Trin? It sounds like Hackett's answer is correct, although I'd be surprised if any ref showed a yellow for it.
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Feb 6, 2012 14:49
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Trin Tragula posted:That little clause is to stop goalkeepers wasting time by catching the ball, holding it for six seconds, then dropping it, dribbling it to another part of the penalty area, and picking it up again for six seconds, over and over again. Once you've had the ball in your arms and dropped it, you can't then pick it up again to throw or kick from hand; you've got to kick it off the floor, and you can't go "oh poo poo pressure" and fall on it to save yourself being hilariously dispossessed. I thought the six seconds was no longer a thing? It used to be 4 steps, then six seconds, but now I thought as long as you weren't obviously taking the piss there was no set limit.
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Law 12, page 35 under Indirect Free Kicks:quote:An indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a goalkeeper, inside his My answer to question 1 is "laugh at the defenders for being clueless and get on with it". The only situations in which I'm going to the pocket are if he's trying to waste time, or if he's actually significantly changed the position of the ball (which it didn't say he'd done, just that he picked it up and put it down again). And even then, if he's done something like moving the ball two yards closer to the wall, I'm likely to say "what's the problem, he's just giving himself less space to get it up and down".
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Feb 6, 2012 14:58
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the sex ghost posted:1: If he's moved the ball more than a foot or so, award an yellow card for timewasting/unsportsmanlike conduct or whatever. Otherwise, play on. 2: Yellow card both of them for unsportsmanlike conduct. Free kick to the defenders (the attacking yellow card happened after the defending one). 3: Still a backpass. No room for tricky dicky keepers in mah football!  (IDFK to the attacking team from where the goalkeeper handled it.)
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Fire everyone
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Feb 10, 2012 10:45
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dont know about you guys but i could really go for some electric corn flakes
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1) Game on 2) Go back to the first advantage but hand out yellow cards if players of either team deserve them 3) No goal and free kick to defending team. The striker being in an offside position clearly played a part in the goal
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