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Goddamn bighead, you got the COTB thread locked. edit: Son of bitch, I had the most posts in that thread. I'm not sure if I should be proud of that.
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Dallan Invictus posted:Really, nice job, but bragging in a thread full of people at least as smart as you is prone to backfiring. I'm sure there's someone here who blew both of us out of the water with similar ease. Ouch. Pretty sure the only bragging I was doing was of the "life is so easy north of the border" variety, but my bad if that came off douchey.
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Question for the prosecutors in the house: I assume that over time you build working relationships with defence counsel, and have a decent feel for who is reasonable and who isn't. If a historically reasonable defence counsel ends up taking a hyper-aggresive position because their client instructs them to, do you hold it against the lawyer? Or just shrug it off as clients being clients?
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Schitzo posted:Question for the prosecutors in the house: I assume that over time you build working relationships with defence counsel, and have a decent feel for who is reasonable and who isn't. Client being client, usually, depends on history w lawyer and how underhanded the tactics used are.
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My wife took our 4-month-old son out of town to visit friends a few weeks ago - she was gone for Thursday night and Friday night. I was really excited because it meant I could stay at the office as long as I wanted - I think I went home around 9 pm or so both nights, after getting in around 8am. I probably could have stayed later but I felt like going home and getting my video games on. Apparently she is going to go to Miami with our son for an entire week in March. I am thrilled at the possibility of an entire week where I can work as many hours as I want. I love my family, but billing insane hours is delicious.
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Feb 9, 2012 17:36
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Question: got wind of this nbd 10 hour a week thingy to do on the side, but it wants a legal writing sample shorter than any that I have. Should I shoot the guy an e-mail or just...I don't know, will my other samples to be less pages?
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Feb 9, 2012 17:37
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Solid Lizzie posted:Question: got wind of this nbd 10 hour a week thingy to do on the side, but it wants a legal writing sample shorter than any that I have. Should I shoot the guy an e-mail or just...I don't know, will my other samples to be less pages? Why can't you edit down one of your samples, or do an excerpt with a cover page summarizing the left out parts?
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Feb 9, 2012 17:44
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All your writing samples are 90% worthless filler, just delete all that.
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entris posted:Why can't you edit down one of your samples, or do an excerpt with a cover page summarizing the left out parts? Thank you.
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Solid Lizzie posted:Question: got wind of this nbd 10 hour a week thingy to do on the side, but it wants a legal writing sample shorter than any that I have. Should I shoot the guy an e-mail or just...I don't know, will my other samples to be less pages? I usually just took something out and indicated that with elipses. I then did a cover page stating that this sample contained, for example, three issues and I cut out two of them which dealt with x and y. Alternately, you could take the fact section out and put that in a cover page with a brief paragraph of what it was about.
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Feb 9, 2012 19:10
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http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3465485 Well, that is certainly something. 
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Well, anyone have any advice on finding out if you've been blacklisted somehow? I don't think they have any references for me, but I got a rejection. One of several. This last one was for a position where I was told several times that they reaaaallly needed people, so something clearly went wrong.
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beeradvocate posted:Well, anyone have any advice on finding out if you've been blacklisted somehow? I don't think they have any references for me, but I got a rejection. One of several. This last one was for a position where I was told several times that they reaaaallly needed people, so something clearly went wrong. What did you do to make you think that you've been blacklisted?
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Feb 9, 2012 23:29
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beeradvocate posted:Well, anyone have any advice on finding out if you've been blacklisted somehow? I don't think they have any references for me, but I got a rejection. One of several. This last one was for a position where I was told several times that they reaaaallly needed people, so something clearly went wrong. Are you in Miami?
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beeradvocate posted:Well, anyone have any advice on finding out if you've been blacklisted somehow? I don't think they have any references for me, but I got a rejection. One of several. This last one was for a position where I was told several times that they reaaaallly needed people, so something clearly went wrong. Ask your friend who works at the company? Could it just be bad economy for lawyers, especially those who graduated at the bottom of their tier 3 law school class? Maybe they reaaaallly needed 2 people, got 12 resumes and at least 2 were better than you? What is it that leads you to think you've been blacklisted?
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joat mon posted:Ask your friend who works at the company? The fact that the company hired forty-two people over the course of a month and a half, then was bragging about needing a new location to house all the new employees and contractors they were planning on bringing in, plus the suggestion that they'd let me know right away immediately after the interview? I know it's a bad economy, and to be expected, but after a while one becomes paranoid. And Entris, I'm not in Miami at all, I'm in Cleveland. Why do you ask? beeradvocate fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Feb 10, 2012 |
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Feb 10, 2012 00:34
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beeradvocate posted:
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Finished a p interesting mob action case. Defendant was shot and killed after the initial hearing. Still counts as a dispo. Schitzo posted:Question for the prosecutors in the house: I assume that over time you build working relationships with defence counsel, and have a decent feel for who is reasonable and who isn't. There's a definite sense of who is reasonable and who isn't, and people talk to each other about defence attorneys. I don't think anyone holds it against the defence attorney if the client is making them do it, as long as the argument isn't completely meritless and the attorney isn't a dick about it. On another note, it's nice when defence attorneys come up and have a friendly discussion about how the case may play out. As an example, one incident that annoyed people was a case where we were trying to figure out the background of a defendant in court. The defence attorney said he hadn't represented the defendant before, and didn't know the answer. As the search progressed, the defence attorney admitted his firm had represented the defendant, but not him. Then we learnt it was him who represented the client and, welp, he just happened to know the answer to the question we had wasted our time looking up. Agesilaus fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Feb 10, 2012 |
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Feb 10, 2012 00:58
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beeradvocate posted:The fact that the company hired forty-two people over the course of a month and a half, then was bragging about needing a new location to house all the new employees and contractors they were planning on bringing in, plus the suggestion that they'd let me know right away immediately after the interview?
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Feb 10, 2012 01:48
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Why the gently caress can't partners use "track changes" on their loving computers? YOUR CHICKEN SCRATCH NOTES ON MY GOD drat MOTION MEAN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO ME.
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For anyone considering going for publications as a student, let me caution you that while it's a neat thing to do it is a tremendous pain in the rear end when it comes to the editing process. I feel like I'm taking 18 credits this semester.
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sigmachiev posted:For anyone considering going for publications as a student....
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sigmachiev posted:For anyone considering going for publications as a student, let me caution you that while it's a neat thing to do it is a tremendous pain in the rear end when it comes to the editing process. I feel like I'm taking 18 credits this semester. Win a baller writing contest, collect 4 g's, don't edit poo poo, then just fukkin coast... not a humblebrag just a straight up brag
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FAMILY LAW IS FULL OF
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CaptainScraps posted:FAMILY LAW IS FULL OF crazy I met a client of a family law attorney that I know, this girl was a dead ringer for scarlett johansen. Amazing.
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Green Crayons posted:Tell me more about everything. Some thoughts off the top of my head: 1. Do it with a prof who is going to be hands-on. I suggest independent study over a seminar for this reason, but it depends. If seminar, shoot for over the (likely) 30 page requirement. Explain to prof you have desire to seek publication as the reason you're going over. I've noticed a trend in journals accepting shorter works (40-50ish) as opposed to the more standard 50-70. But again this depends. If it's awesome at 40 and too bulky at 60, submit it at 40. And if no acceptances come you can always tinker and resubmit when it's better. 2. Before papering the universe, set up an Express0 account. Next, and this is important, go to your Dean of Students or whoever and ask if they will pay Express0 fees. A lot of schools do this. It may require professor approval. This will save you a lot of money. I saved a little over a hundred. 3. Paper the universe by sending to every relevant journal. For example, if you write an article about Citizens United fallout, send it to every flagship journal, every business law journal and every con law journal so long as it accepts student submissions. There will be a note on Express0 about which journals do or do not allow for student work. 4. Be prepared for a lot of silence, which means rejection, and to not get accepted at anywhere cool. The point at this stage of your career is to get a bluebook cite. Building a CV as a student will help with chances at more reputable journals when you submit future work or so I'm told (and hope). 5. If you get it accepted, ask what the timetable for publication is. This will let you tailor your schedule a bit well in advance. This way you won't be like me, take 16 credits (already too much because I'm a moron) and basically have to totally ignore a lot of other work right now. 6. Be sure you want it out there. If you ever did enter the professor meat market or use it for applying for a PhD, folks will track it down and use it in evaluations. Even if it isn't used as your job talk paper it's still a thing that exists alongside you the rest of your career. Your job talk paper is far more important but the point still stands. sigmachiev fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Feb 10, 2012 |
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sigmachiev posted:6. Be sure you want it out there. If you ever did enter the professor meat market or use it for applying for a PhD, folks will track it down and use it in evaluations. Even if it isn't used as your job talk paper it's still a thing that exists alongside you the rest of your career. Your job talk paper is far more important but the point still stands. Related to this: if you work in anything remotely political, realize it WILL get looked at and brought up. Probably not a big deal if you wrote about an esoteric point in admin law, but potentially a huge problem for more controversial topics.
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HiddenReplaced posted:Why the gently caress can't partners use "track changes" on their loving computers?
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On the subject of "things you don't think will happen to your client but they do": We had a client who was going to Haiti for some mission work for a week in February. This client was also the executor of an estate, and the estate held a house as one of its assets. The executor was going to put the house on the market for sale, but was very concerned that she would receive an offer during the week that she would be in Haiti, so she came to us and asked us to draft a limited power of attorney that gave a friend of hers the power to accept any offers on the house. This power of attorney would only be in force for one week. When I got this assignment, I thought it was rediculous for several reasons: 1. In this market, who puts up a house and manages to sell it within a few weeks? 2. Even if an offer came in, the closing wouldn't take place until at least a few weeks later, so there would be plenty of time to get back from the mission work. 3. She could always verbally accept by phone. So anyway I drafted the power of attorney document, and wouldn't you know it, but an offer comes in during the week the client is in Haiti. What the hell.
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Ani posted:It's way easier to do a hand markup than track changes, especially if you're going to be printing things out to read in the first place (which you will if they're long documents). The most ridiculous part of your reply is where you suggest that the partners are going to actually print out things on their own.
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HiddenReplaced posted:The most ridiculous part of your reply is where you suggest that the partners are going to actually print out things on their own. It really is easier doing a hand markup; when I'm marking things up, I prefer to do it also. If you're fixing commas it is about the same, but if you want to say that a sentence or paragraph isn't very clear, it's easier to circle and write "reword" or something.
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My boss will call us into his office and tell us the changes he wants, because no one can read his writing.
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sigmachiev posted:Some thoughts off the top of my head:
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Ani posted:It really is easier doing a hand markup; when I'm marking things up, I prefer to do it also. If you're fixing commas it is about the same, but if you want to say that a sentence or paragraph isn't very clear, it's easier to circle and write "reword" or something. The thing I've never understood, if your going over the document, why not just add the loving commas yourself (not you directly). I understand handing it back to the associate if something needs rewording but I don't get handing a document back to an associate for minor punctuation or formatting changes. The only rational I can find is that the normal process is more inefficient thus producing more billables.
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Good news: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1343727/
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Feb 10, 2012 18:20
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Roger_Mudd posted:The thing I've never understood, if your going over the document, why not just add the loving commas yourself (not you directly). I understand handing it back to the associate if something needs rewording but I don't get handing a document back to an associate for minor punctuation or formatting changes. I think the idea is to point out errors so they don't happen again. Civil law would have a heart attack regarding criminal motions. I'm a fairly good motion writer (I've been told this by a number of people who had no reason to kiss my rear end), but poo poo, perfect? Enemy of good and getting done in time to go through my other 100 cases.
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Roger_Mudd posted:The thing I've never understood, if your going over the document, why not just add the loving commas yourself (not you directly). I understand handing it back to the associate if something needs rewording but I don't get handing a document back to an associate for minor punctuation or formatting changes. Because you want to hammer home the lesson to the associate: don't gently caress up minor punctuation or formatting. entris fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Feb 10, 2012 |
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HiddenReplaced posted:Why the gently caress can't partners use "track changes" on their loving computers? I got a brief back yesterday with a total of two comments, both handwritten one was "sea." and the other was "!" I'm planning on responding by fedexing the guy my poop
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HiddenReplaced posted:Why the gently caress can't partners use "track changes" on their loving computers? Your time either means pure profit to them, or nothing. Their time, eh. Plus given the disparity between your billing rate and theirs, if it saves them half an hour and costs you an hour and a half, its the right thing to do for the client!
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Soothing Vapors posted:hahaha yesssss  Star? Stat? Stut? Stur? HiddenReplaced fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Feb 10, 2012 |
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