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Yeah, they have a full load range of 8k nm. That flight was 10k statute miles, so about 9000 nm. Wonder what its max ferry range really is, probably pretty impressive.
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Cygni posted:Yeah, they have a full load range of 8k nm. That flight was 10k statute miles, so about 9000 nm. Wonder what its max ferry range really is, probably pretty impressive. Do civilian airliners have the capability of underwing tanks? If it can only go 8000nm on a full load of fuel and it went 9000nm, where'd it get the extra fuel?
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Feb 10, 2012 19:21
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8000NM is with pax and cargo, you can go a shitload farther if you aren't lugging around tens of tons of humans and crap. Edit: I think JetBlue ferried an empty EJet that was used for Palin's campaign like 3000NM when max loaded range is 2400NM KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Feb 10, 2012 |
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Feb 10, 2012 19:22
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buttcrackmenace posted:Egad. Didn't realize they could go that long without refueling.
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Feb 10, 2012 20:18
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co199 posted:Do civilian airliners have the capability of underwing tanks? If it can only go 8000nm on a full load of fuel and it went 9000nm, where'd it get the extra fuel? The internal tanks are already physically capable of holding that larger amount of fuel, but you become weight limited when adding seats/passengers/luggage.
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Feb 10, 2012 20:25
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Random thing I just discovered: the airline SAS (Scandinavian Air Services) operates a fleet of DC-3s.  
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Feb 10, 2012 20:40
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When I was younger I used to take my die-cast toy planes and a pair of goggles to a swimming pool and let go of them at the water surface. While they just fall like a brick in the air, they glided beautifully in water. I'm pretty pretty sure I ended up snapping the wheels off of several of them to make them more hydrodynamic. If you have access to a pool and toy planes I highly recommend this for the kid in you.
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Feb 10, 2012 20:53
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MustelaFuro posted:When I was younger I used to take my die-cast toy planes and a pair of goggles to a swimming pool and let go of them at the water surface. While they just fall like a brick in the air, they glided beautifully in water. I'm pretty pretty sure I ended up snapping the wheels off of several of them to make them more hydrodynamic. REynolds numbers. They're beautiful.
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Feb 10, 2012 20:58
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Nebakenezzer posted:Random thing I just discovered: the airline SAS (Scandinavian Air Services) operates a fleet of DC-3s. Not since 1957.
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Feb 10, 2012 21:06
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The Ferret King posted:The internal tanks are already physically capable of holding that larger amount of fuel, but you become weight limited when adding seats/passengers/luggage. Also, more weight means you have to make more lift to counter it, which means more drag. A lightly loaded aircraft is inherently more efficient than a heavily loaded one.
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Feb 10, 2012 21:12
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Wow, I'm dumb. I didn't even consider the weight issue. Thanks, guys!
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Feb 10, 2012 21:15
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The Ferret King posted:The internal tanks are already physically capable of holding that larger amount of fuel, but you become weight limited when adding seats/passengers/luggage. Internal tanks aren't always enough though. This is a 717 ferrying to HNL, and I think it's pretty AI    source Captain Postal fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Feb 10, 2012 |
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Feb 10, 2012 22:37
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Guess that answers my questions as a kid of how you get the 737s and DC-9s that Aloha/Hawaiian used for inter-island flights out there in the first place. I always assumed they shipped them via boat or something. That's awesome. Also I just now realized that Aloha is out of business. Guess your options for inter-island are Hawaiian or a paddleboat.
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Feb 10, 2012 23:13
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NO SMOKING BUT THEN, IF YOU NEED TO BE TOLD THAT, WELL GOD HELP YOU.
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Feb 10, 2012 23:18
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It's a game. You have to guess which one contains Winston Churchill.
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Feb 11, 2012 00:37
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monkeytennis posted:So a 787 went on a looong test flight today. They spelt out 787 and the Boeing logo! Holy poo poo, that's worse than crazy military training stuff. That was probably fun for someone at ZMP
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Feb 11, 2012 05:37
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I'm hoping someone with a better knowledge of airliners can answer a question about crosswind landings. It seems in videos like this that the wheel bogies on many airliners are somehow kept parallel to the runway during crosswind landings. However, I've done a bit of googling, and read a few airliners.net threads, and found that only the B-52 was actually designed to align the wheel bogies with the runway during such a landing. It seems pretty clear in the video above around 0:24(also shown below) that the A-340's wheels are aligned with the runway. Can anyone settle for me whether or not any major civilian airliners are capable of turning the wheel bogies to align with the runway during a crosswind landing? I suspect the answer is no and some other mechanism such as simple inertia is at work in the video. 
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Feb 12, 2012 01:21
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Normal air carriers don't do it. It's an illusion making you think those wheels are aligned with the runway, they are in line with the aircraft. The wheels on top are on top and in front, the wheels on bottom are on bottom and in back. Edit: I should add: front/back of the airplane, not our view. Also, the wheels are not flat with respect to the planes horizontal plane. They tilt with the front up so the back wheels make contact with the runway first. Bondematt fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Feb 12, 2012 |
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Feb 12, 2012 01:28
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What is that thing that has an extra set of wheels? VVV I mean what kind of aircraft is it. Godholio fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Feb 12, 2012 |
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Feb 12, 2012 01:37
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Godholio posted:What is that thing that has an extra set of wheels? Just the center gear. It has a set of 3 main gear with 4 wheels, the middle doesn't tilt iirc. Edit: Huh, it appears the center gear can also just have 2 wheels. Bondematt fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Feb 12, 2012 |
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Feb 12, 2012 01:40
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It's A340's that have that center wheel setup:
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Feb 12, 2012 01:49
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I don't know how I never noticed that before.
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Feb 12, 2012 02:16
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It's not aeroplanes per se but Delta fitted out a pelicase with a bunch of cameras and recorded it going through handling for some strange reason https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocbxS5aWUSo
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Feb 12, 2012 03:35
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Their jets are cattle cars, but that's pretty drat cool.
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Feb 12, 2012 04:10
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Godholio posted:I don't know how I never noticed that before. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undercarriage_arrangements  A340-200/300  A340-500/600
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Feb 12, 2012 07:37
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:It's not aeroplanes per se but Delta fitted out a pelicase with a bunch of cameras and recorded it going through handling for some strange reason Sounds like they stole their jams from Virgin America. I haven't flown Delta for 10ish years, but just booked 4 flights with them. Are they really any more cattlecar-y than United/American? I fly a lot with them both (fed travel, sigh) and they both shock me at their horribleness. Especially when you hop on a Virgin/Jet Blue flight afterwards. Theres no comparison.
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Feb 12, 2012 10:49
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Not sure about domestic but I fly Delta to Japan ever since they bought out Northwest, real nice seating very roomy even in economy. Just looked it up I guess it's called economy comfort class, was nice. Food/media player were ok, no complaints.
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7of7 posted:I'm hoping someone with a better knowledge of airliners can answer a question about crosswind landings. It seems in videos like this that the wheel bogies on many airliners are somehow kept parallel to the runway during crosswind landings. However, I've done a bit of googling, and read a few airliners.net threads, and found that only the B-52 was actually designed to align the wheel bogies with the runway during such a landing. It seems pretty clear in the video above around 0:24(also shown below) that the A-340's wheels are aligned with the runway.
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Cygni posted:Sounds like they stole their jams from Virgin America. Compare for yourself here: http://www.seatguru.com/
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Cygni posted:Sounds like they stole their jams from Virgin America. What's worse is that now that they're charging extra for bags, EVERYONE on the plane is carrying giant carry-ons which means if you're not one of the first people to board the plane, your bag is either going at your feet (giving you even less leg room) or getting gate-checked. grover fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Feb 12, 2012 |
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Feb 12, 2012 14:21
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One thing I will say nice for Delta is that all their RJs except the CRJ200s have first class cabins. It doesn't help unless you have a boatload of status with them or are willing to pay, but it goes a long way to making the RJ experience less lovely. God drat gently caress CRJs. I'd rather fly in a Dash-8 Q or even an ATR.
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Feb 12, 2012 16:01
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Haha, yes CRJ's are not fun to fly in. I can barely stand in the aisle and I'm not that tall, you can't take a "standard" sized carry on without gate-checking, and I find the window seats are very tight, width wise.
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NASA 911 has made it's final flight.  http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/Features/sca_911_final_flight.html Also a related update: NASA posted:"Many of you have asked when the space shuttles will be leaving Kennedy for their new homes. Here's what we know right now: Discovery will arrive at Dulles International Airport on April 17 and be transported to the Smithsonian’s Udvar-Hazy Center on April 19. Endeavour's ferry flight to the California Science Center is scheduled for this coming fall. Atlantis will be transported to the Kennedy Visitor Complex in November." I would love to be at Dulles to see them both fly in. 
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Well, at least it will leave on... by being cannibalized. It would have made for a cool and monstrous display if they could have mounted Enterprise on it permanently. I doubt Enterprise was ever on the back of 911 but that's beside the point.  Handy feature of the shuttle carriers:
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7of7 posted:I'm hoping someone with a better knowledge of airliners can answer a question about crosswind landings. It seems in videos like this that the wheel bogies on many airliners are somehow kept parallel to the runway during crosswind landings. However, I've done a bit of googling, and read a few airliners.net threads, and found that only the B-52 was actually designed to align the wheel bogies with the runway during such a landing. It seems pretty clear in the video above around 0:24(also shown below) that the A-340's wheels are aligned with the runway. C-5 Galaxies also had the capability, but iirc it was disabled. Cygni posted:It's A340's that have that center wheel setup: Not the only ones... 
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grover posted:
I consider IFE essential for international flights, but for domestic is it really such a big deal when so many flights have available wifi? http://www.delta.com/traveling_checkin/inflight_services/products/progress.jsp
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Feb 12, 2012 20:11
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Styles Bitchley posted:NASA 911 has made it's final flight. Okay, so in all my 27 years I failed to see a single STS launch, despite numerous attempts. I figure I can (partially? no, probably not) make up for by seeing one of these land. Is there a resource for the other orbiters or is the only date currently known that of Discovery's trip?
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Understeer posted:I consider IFE essential for international flights, but for domestic is it really such a big deal when so many flights have available wifi? Or when a Kindle is so frighteningly cheap? (Delta's wi-fi owns, I wish AA would hurry the gently caress up and finish their fleet since they have way more direct flights than Delta does out of MIA; I also wish AA's status upgrade process didn't cost IRL money.)
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Boomerjinks posted:Okay, so in all my 27 years I failed to see a single STS launch, despite numerous attempts. I figure I can (partially? no, probably not) make up for by seeing one of these land. Is there a resource for the other orbiters or is the only date currently known that of Discovery's trip? I think Discovery's ferry flight is the only one with a date set so far. Enterprise should be going from Dulles to JFK around the same time, if not at the same time after unloading Discovery. Endeavour will fly sometime in the fall. Atlantis is staying at Kennedy Space Center. It would be pretty cool to see the big bird go off and come in on the shuttle's truly last flights, especially since it was there for the first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-YNcwc1ZME&feature=related
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Def gonna be there when they come to LA. Also, these fuckin' wings (click for big) 
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