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Haledjian posted:Hey Sindow is that a panel from the strip? If not, where'd it come from?
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Kazerad posted:edit: woah woah woah, I totally just got my first Tumblr ragequit today guys! For railroading, I guess. I will frame it on my achievements board. Methinks he's just bitter about Dmitiri biting the big one.
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Feb 7, 2012 12:28
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpArShC7RXk Kaz you are definitely in the big boys club now. First Tumblr ragequit and now you've got people making fan music?
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Kazerad posted:As for tabletop RPGs, I've played a little bit but never really got into it. I've done a lot of research on them, though; much of the literature about pen and paper games is very applicable to other mediums as well. Wrist Watch posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpArShC7RXk 
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radintorov posted:All that's missing now are a couple of (dead)Dimitri/gro-Upp/ASOTIL slashfics and some general Rule 34 pictures. There can be no doubt that this has already happened. Anyhow, I just noticed that in the current update Katja has ropeburn on the inside of her hands. That's pretty amazing attention to detail.
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Feb 7, 2012 14:57
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Haledjian posted:Hey Sindow is that a panel from the strip? If not, where'd it come from? Yeah, like WFW said, it's from the flash where she's underground and actually uses her eye of fear successfully. The only time ever. 
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Perestroika posted:There can be no doubt that this has already happened. Let's settle this once and for all. I'll just put "Katia Prequel" into Google Image Search and see if NNNGYAAAH SWEET MOTHER OF gently caress WHY DID I DO THAT yup Kazerad's in the big leagues now .
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Feb 7, 2012 15:24
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Wrist Watch posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpArShC7RXk Wow, first Homestuck, then Ruby Quest, and now Prequel getting its own fan music.
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Feb 7, 2012 19:01
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Wrist Watch posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpArShC7RXk I have to confess, this is surprisingly good. A hell of a lot better than what I was expecting. Good beat.
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Feb 7, 2012 21:52
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IronSaber posted:Wow, first Homestuck, then Ruby Quest, and now Prequel getting its own fan music. Wait, Ruby Quest has fan music? How did this happen?
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pandaK posted:Wait, Ruby Quest has fan music? How did this happen? The fans did it, I guess. Linkity.
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Feb 8, 2012 12:16
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This panel really highlights the whole 4-fingers thing and kinda freaks me out. What made you decide to go that way with it, Kaz?
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Feb 9, 2012 00:10
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Zenzirouj posted:This panel really highlights the whole 4-fingers thing and kinda freaks me out. What made you decide to go that way with it, Kaz? Five fingers is traditionally considered one too many in cartooning. They just clutter the design unnecessarily. Try drawing a cartoon character with five fingers and you'll probably realise the problem.
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Feb 9, 2012 00:14
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Android Blues posted:Five fingers is traditionally considered one too many in cartooning. They just clutter the design unnecessarily. Try drawing a cartoon character with five fingers and you'll probably realise the problem. Yeah, I didn't notice this at all, and even after it was pointed out, I still have a hard time seeing it.
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Feb 9, 2012 00:52
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Wrist Watch posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpArShC7RXk The fanmusic has actually been around for a while! This one is even on the Fanart page; it was written by one of the MSPA Music Team people, I believe (sadly, not credited by name on the video). Zenzirouj posted:This panel really highlights the whole 4-fingers thing and kinda freaks me out. What made you decide to go that way with it, Kaz?
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Feb 9, 2012 03:21
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Well then those elves have one hi too many. 
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Feb 9, 2012 03:25
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Elysiume posted:Well then those elves have one hi too many. I would say something about "high elves" but those guys are Bosmer so I dunno
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Feb 9, 2012 11:20
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I like this but I don't like the slut shaming. There are ways to say you're embarrassed by your past without literally having your inner monologue constantly call you a slut. I can't stop laughing at the innocent fun grape jelly picture
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Feb 10, 2012 23:35
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Android Blues posted:Five fingers is traditionally considered one too many in cartooning. They just clutter the design unnecessarily. Try drawing a cartoon character with five fingers and you'll probably realise the problem. Yeah, it's what everybody does, but I kind of assumed that people drawing something in a cartoony-style (which is a pretty lovely descriptor, but good enough for my purposes) made the decision because they had some reason for it other than not wanting to draw extra fingers. Is it really just because everybody else does it that way? It seems like I've seen similarly styled stuff with 5 fingers. Kinda like the Limbaugh in the avatar above me.
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Zenzirouj posted:Yeah, it's what everybody does, but I kind of assumed that people drawing something in a cartoony-style (which is a pretty lovely descriptor, but good enough for my purposes) made the decision because they had some reason for it other than not wanting to draw extra fingers. Is it really just because everybody else does it that way? It seems like I've seen similarly styled stuff with 5 fingers. Kinda like the Limbaugh in the avatar above me. Well, everyone does it that way (not everyone, but most cartoonists) simply because five fingers overcrowds the clean, iconic style of most cartoon characters. It's definitely a rule you can break, but seriously, try drawing a Mickey Mouse or Sonic the Hedgehog-type character (or a Prequel or Homestuck-type character) with five fingers and you'll probably realise why it's not usually broken. With how simply composed these characters are, drawing five-fingered hands often has the visual effect of, say, drawing a portrait instead of their face. e: huh, looking for pictures, Sonic the Hedgehog actually does have five fingers. I guess that puts a hole in my tire! Still, that's why people do it. It's not a universal rule of course, just a useful guideline.
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Krinkle posted:I like this but I don't like the slut shaming. There are ways to say you're embarrassed by your past without literally having your inner monologue constantly call you a slut. If it makes you feel better it's Katia being lovely to herself, not the creator trying to say something about it.
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Android Blues posted:e: huh, looking for pictures, Sonic the Hedgehog actually does have five fingers. I guess that puts a hole in my tire! Still, that's why people do it. It's not a universal rule of course, just a useful guideline. That's because Sonic was created in japan, where a missing finger has a more loaded meaning. A lot of the times when a character created in the west gets a series or a video game or something over there, they'll add a finger. Wouldn't want Bob the Builder to look like a gangster!
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Pollyanna posted:If it makes you feel better it's Katia being lovely to herself, not the creator trying to say something about it. Yeah at this point it Katia's shown to be not the most functional of people and not everything she thinks should be taken as the viewpoint of the narrative. She's a slut-shamer.... but she also thought that jumping in a well of carnivorous fish was something she should do. And as I've said before I'm not sure of a way to correct her in-story at this point that would move the plot along, come off as furry masturbation fodder (the internet lit up over a one-frame tit bounce and a inch-high sprite pole dancing), or most importantly be funny.
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Feb 11, 2012 03:06
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Pollyanna posted:If it makes you feel better it's Katia being lovely to herself, not the creator trying to say something about it. But yeah the comic's invested a lot in slut shaming as comedy fodder at this point, it'd be pretty tough to turn that into any kind of a positive mention without weird tonal shifts
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Haledjian posted:The problem is this doesn't really matter if it's not evident in the text--outside of this thread I've only ever seen readers taking it as, I don't know, the word of god. This kind of reminds me of how upset my parents were when I tried to watch Dexter with my sister at her house because she could not understand the difference between watching a show with a serial killer protagonist and rooting for serial killing. Fiction has a lot of weird things in general just because there's a lot that doesn't lend itself well to fiction, like a couple that's happy and stable and has mutual understanding, or therapists that actually do good jobs helping people with mental problems instead of having evil ulterior motives or just being hacks. People watch poo poo and get the weirdest ideas of how codependent romance is supposed to be and how getting professional help with psychiatric problems is a bad idea, but is that really the shows fault for not constantly putting in life lessons and instead trying to take the more Dramatic path? It's a real social problem, but I'm pretty sure it's just the readers problem for having lovely attitudes. If they use Katia's attitude - which has done nothing positive for Katia - to justify it, then they can't tell fiction from reality. And most of them don't because a lot of them are internet shut-ins who are more sympathetic to a mspaint cat girl than anyone in real life. tl;dr - I think the reader base for the comic is mostly lovely and the comic shouldn't necessarily be blamed for it.
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RandomFerret posted:That's because Sonic was created in japan, where a missing finger has a more loaded meaning. A lot of the times when a character created in the west gets a series or a video game or something over there, they'll add a finger. Wouldn't want Bob the Builder to look like a gangster! It's why Abe from the Oddworld series (last question on the page) had a finger removed/cut from each hand (along with all Mudokons), in later copies of the first game along with the later games. Because two fingers missing wasn't a problem. The in game model, the one that players actually use, actually has four fingers on his hands, but the cutscenes had to be changed. I think now it isn't as much a problem, as the HD remakes add the finger back in, from what I read. Though it's probably mainly a meat packing industry related thing, considering how the first game was pretty much about a meat industry. It's still interesting that it became 'less' offensive to have the characters lose fingers, than to have four fingered hands that were 'missing' fingers.
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IronSaber posted:Looks like the site went belly up. Yeah, just went to check for an update and 403'd.
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Yonic Symbolism posted:It's a real social problem, but I'm pretty sure it's just the readers problem for having lovely attitudes. If they use Katia's attitude - which has done nothing positive for Katia - to justify it, then they can't tell fiction from reality. And most of them don't because a lot of them are internet shut-ins who are more sympathetic to a mspaint cat girl than anyone in real life. It's been addressed before, and I think at this point the issue is "stop being a slut" is so ingrained as one of Katia's "self-improvement" bullet points. From what I remember Kazerad basically said that wasn't what he intended to convey but he doesn't think it's a big enough deal to address. For what it's worth though the comic's been a lot better about it since it was raised in this thread, which is awesome. Katia getting eaten by fish and licked by a vampire is a lot funnier than Katia getting raped. And yeah, hoping that the server's not in too much trouble. 
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I read that bullet point more as a general "get control of your life" thing. Both times that she's woken up with weird guys/entities in her bed, she ended up despairing and getting smashed. It's not so much that she's trying to have less sex, she's trying to stop making horribly decisions (getting super drunk) that tend to lead towards sex.
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For sure, it's just a fine distinction that a lot of people don't make at all. With the extent that Kazerad's participated in discussions about it thus far I'm hopeful he'll be a little more sensitive with that type of material in the future
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IronSaber posted:Looks like the site went belly up. For the time being, you can read the next update here if you want. Haledjian posted:For sure, it's just a fine distinction that a lot of people don't make at all. With the extent that Kazerad's participated in discussions about it thus far I'm hopeful he'll be a little more sensitive with that type of material in the future I probably won't be getting much more sensitive about it. I've probably said this elsewhere in the thread, but I kind of like playing with fire. I personally think the slut-shaming is an important part of her character, and I've found a certain percentage of people really respect that I leave it in (rather than creating a character who is messed up in more socially acceptable ways). I think it's a mistake to single out the slut-shaming on its own, though. The way I see it, one of Katia's major character flaws is that she bases her entire self-opinion off the views of others: the smallest compliment overjoys her and harsh words devastate her because she takes them both as objective measures of he self-worth. As far as she's concerned, someone saying she's a worthless slut means she that's what is, and her character is presumably shaped by years of that. Personally I think the racism aspects are darker than the slut-shaming ones. It's easy to disregard when dealing with elves and cat people, but the way she casually drops terms like "hideous catlike fingers" or describes herself with words like "subhuman" shows a certain degree of racism against herself. While it's mostly used for humor like everything else, it plays into that whole somewhat saddening central theme that Katia has let everyone else's opinions shape who she is. I know you're mostly just concerned for any readers who will be alienated or upset by the undertones, but I don't think you have to worry about it. From my extensive reader-monitoring I get the impression that most people do make that connection that it's an aspect of her character. A kind of unsettling one, but some people like that.
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I can only hope that accidental and violent telekinesis can also be triggered by cat puns.  'Course, fires are caused by burns. So telekinesis is caused by... put downs? Gonna need some pyrokinesis disasters here
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Man, I read all of Prequel in the course of 2 nights with my ipad knockoff. I don't read webcomics, and I despise Homestuck because it's shoved in my face all over the internet. I don't know how this happened.
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Um Jammer 6096 posted:I don't know how this happened.
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Sindow posted:Yeah, like WFW said, it's from the flash where she's underground and actually uses her eye of fear successfully. The only time ever. Ahem. 
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Why is Nah pissed? Katia thanked her for saving her life and patching her up and stuff. Was she expecting Katia to offer her That's just greedy, she already got to lap up her wounds. If she took any more, Katia would either A. die, making the first-aid pointless, or B. get infected, making more competition for her in the future.
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Why is Nah pissed? Katia thanked her for saving her life and patching her up and stuff. Was she expecting Katia to offer her It's because Nah believes in traditional medicine instead of potions and healing spells. So for Katia to not even acknowledge that the bandages are a good idea is an insult to Nah's medical sensibilities.
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jng2058 posted:It's because Nah believes in traditional medicine instead of potions and healing spells. So for Katia to not even acknowledge that the bandages are a good idea is an insult to Nah's medical sensibilities. Ah. Also, I believe it may also have to do with Katia saying this: Katia posted:“For… wrapping me up in spongey tape, for some reason?” which just rubs it in Nah's face that nobody even knows that bandages and gauze are anymore.
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Kazerad posted:...or describes herself with words like "subhuman" shows a certain degree of racism against herself. The proper term is "laguz."
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