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Kazerad posted:I probably won't be getting much more sensitive about it. I've probably said this elsewhere in the thread, but I kind of like playing with fire. I personally think the slut-shaming is an important part of her character, and I've found a certain percentage of people really respect that I leave it in (rather than creating a character who is messed up in more socially acceptable ways). Also for what it's worth I think it's mitigated to a great degree by how sympathetic and likable you've made the character, so, you know, props for that  Kazerad posted:I think it's a mistake to single out the slut-shaming on its own, though. The way I see it, one of Katia's major character flaws is that she bases her entire self-opinion off the views of others: the smallest compliment overjoys her and harsh words devastate her because she takes them both as objective measures of he self-worth. As far as she's concerned, someone saying she's a worthless slut means she that's what is, and her character is presumably shaped by years of that. Kazerad posted:Personally I think the racism aspects are darker than the slut-shaming ones. It's easy to disregard when dealing with elves and cat people, but the way she casually drops terms like "hideous catlike fingers" or describes herself with words like "subhuman" shows a certain degree of racism against herself. While it's mostly used for humor like everything else, it plays into that whole somewhat saddening central theme that Katia has let everyone else's opinions shape who she is. Incidentally, I thought the "hideous catlike fingers" line was hilarious, but interestingly it's a good example of those situations where it can be tough to distinguish between character voice and author voice--I read it as you poking fun at the inherent ridiculousness of cat-people (and maybe at the portion of readers who like her a little too much yadadamean) rather than Katia being self-hating. Kazerad posted:I know you're mostly just concerned for any readers who will be alienated or upset by the undertones, but I don't think you have to worry about it. From my extensive reader-monitoring I get the impression that most people do make that connection that it's an aspect of her character. A kind of unsettling one, but some people like that. Good luck getting the site back online! Haledjian fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Feb 12, 2012 |
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Kazerad posted:Everything's cool; apparently even with the CDN the site was generating too much traffic for my host to handle. We've optimized it some and it should be back up as soon as they peruse our optimizations and hit the button to re-enable public access. People were always saying that you'd know how prequel had to end if you'd played oblivion for more than five minutes, and they were right. It ended by randomly crashing.
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Feb 13, 2012 01:58
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Oh my God... Katia sets things on fire with a cat burn. Thematic. She knocks things over with puns. She makes them do flop takes. 
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Factory Factory posted:Oh my God... Once she gets a bit better at the telekinesis, she'll be able to punt things. 
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Feb 13, 2012 02:46
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Cryophage posted:Ahem. Ohhh, right. Poor spider.
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Glad to see the site is back. Also just wanted to say I absolutely adore the writing when Nah is in the driver's seat.
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Factory Factory posted:Oh my God... It's like a crossover between Prequel and Condorito.
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oh yes oh god yes form the head FORM THE HEAD unghhhh...
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Factory Factory posted:Oh my God... So, she can only conjure magelight by making light of bad situations? Thankfully, that's pretty much always!
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Normal Adult Human posted:People were always saying that you'd know how prequel had to end if you'd played oblivion for more than five minutes, and they were right. It ended by randomly crashing. Zing! On my end, I understand that the self-abuse end of her personality is one of the character flaws that she's trying to overcome.
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So this just got reviewed by RockPaperShotgun: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/02/13/lord-of-the-cringe-oblivions-prequel-adventure ... Is this what broke the server?
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RPS is a good site, but I feel like they could have gone for more varied art samples than "Katia making a face with no context." Also it's interesting how a couple of the commenters have a big hate-on for MSPA.
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Megazver posted:So this just got reviewed by RockPaperShotgun: Now I want a Nondrick/Katia team-up.
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Megazver posted:So this just got reviewed by RockPaperShotgun: Erm... My fault! I bumped the comic over to Richard and suggested he write something about it... Sorry?
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Snollygoster posted:RPS is a good site, but I feel like they could have gone for more varied art samples than "Katia making a face with no context." Also it's interesting how a couple of the commenters have a big hate-on for MSPA. A lot of peeps on the internet have recently developed a hate-on for MSPA on account of its surging popularity. It's pretty reactionary I think, there rarely seems to be a good reason for it.
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You know, something else I've been thinking about. Katia approaches life like an addict. Which shouldn't really be surprising. See, a lot of people who are addicts (or even people who are stuck in other kinds of lovely situations), think that there's some magical point at which they can stop being addicted if they do the right things. Like, one day they will wake up and not want alcohol or heroin or whatever and everything will be right with the world. And the fact that that day never comes just means they aren't doing it right. Katia does that, too, only with her whole life. She keeps on saying "hey, THIS time everything is going to be awesome, forever", because one big event is obviously going to change everything and once things are awesome they will just stay awesome. In real life, the only people who get out of their addictions are people who realize that they will have to deal with them every day, for the rest of their lives. I wonder if this character will realize the same thing about her life?
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idonotlikepeas posted:You know, something else I've been thinking about. Katia approaches life like an addict. Which shouldn't really be surprising. So she's addicted to failure? I'm not sure I understand. She's obviously got a drinking problems but I think there's more to her than that...
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Volmarias posted:So she's addicted to failure? I'm not sure I understand. She's obviously got a drinking problems but I think there's more to her than that... I mean she thinks of her life as something that can be solved. Like, now that she can join the mage's guild everything will be fine. When in reality your life tends to veer between good and lovely pretty much all the time and you have to exert continual effort to keep it on an even keel. The first way is the way addicts think about their addiction, and the second way is the way people in recovery do.
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idonotlikepeas posted:In real life, the only people who get out of their addictions are people who realize that they will have to deal with them every day, for the rest of their lives. I wonder if this character will realize the same thing about her life? As you said, being addicted to something means that you will have to struggle with it forever: it is like a deep well, and even if you climb out it takes little to fall back in again.
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ok I'm dumb what did the vampire want us to say?
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Krinkle posted:ok I'm dumb what did the vampire want us to say? Thanks for patching up my wounds.
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but we said that
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Krinkle posted:but we said that Katia doesn't even recognize the cleaning of wounds and bandaging as healing, though. It's just this weird thing that vampires do (probably) - everyone knows that if you're hurt or sick, you drink a potion or get a healing mage to patch you up!
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Krinkle posted:but we said that Katia said "Thanks for covering me in spongey tape, for some reason." She doesn't realize that Nah was trying to heal her, since people just use potions to heal their injuries. She's mad because people don't respect her healing technique.
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"Thanks for covering me in spongy tape for some reason?" is not the acknowledgement of her medical skill she was looking for. That perfectly normal adult human was griping to herself earlier about people relying on potions and magic to the exclusion of old-fashioned medicine, and Katia literally does not know what bandages are. e: sup bros ^
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Hahaha I just noticed this:quote:Her knees are a bit shaky, but you’ve got her bandaged up so she should heal and refill quickly.
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Nah is a fun and complete character who is charming and funny and totally normal. I hope we see more of her.
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Liquid Penguins posted:Nah is a fun and complete character who is charming and funny and totally normal. I hope we see more of her. I love all the gimmick names in this comic. Nah, Asotil, Gro-upp, etc.
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Anybody else suspicious why a vampire would be grocery shopping? She had a whole bag, not just the jelly for her ploy. I bet she was buying them for someone else~
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Piedmon Sama posted:Anybody else suspicious why a vampire would be grocery shopping? She had a whole bag, not just the jelly for her ploy. Going shopping is a normal human thing to do. So is keeping a well-stocked pantry. Unfortunately, all the food seems to go bad before she gets a chance to eat it, for some reason, so she has to go out and buy more.
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I made a Khajit named Katia in Oblivion a while ago, and promptly forgot about it. I've been coming back to it the past few days, and just found out how to steal effectively (I've really new at this) and join the Thieves Guild. Since then, I went on a rampage and halfway through it realized that I was breaking into people's homes and stealing nothing but alcohol. I am the Robin Hood of wine.  So thanks for getting me into Elder Scrolls games, Kaz. Please keep making Prequel forever.
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Piedmon Sama posted:Anybody else suspicious why a vampire would be grocery shopping? She had a whole bag, not just the jelly for her ploy. Are you suggesting that vampires do not need or even want to buy things? That once you consume only human blood, the nature of your consumerism is irrevocably changed? You can't suck clothes, Piedmon Sama. You can't suck furniture.
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Just because she's a vampire doesn't mean she doesn't have friends over for dinner.
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prahanormal posted:Cant Bethesda vampires eat normal food anyway? Yes, but it's better just to mush it all up into a potion of restore fatigue. Speaking of which, Kazerad, is Katia going to dabble in alchemy at all? A few restore magicka potions could make her atronach sign a lot less of a disadvantage.
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Daktar posted:Yes, but it's better just to mush it all up into a potion of restore fatigue. That would imply some level of skill and competency that just isn't present yet.
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Kaz, did you ever read the old Boxdog threads by Weaver (and I guess the comic? I never read the webcomic that comes up whenever you google Boxdog and honestly don't know whether Weaver did that too)? Like Prequel, it featured a down-on-her-luck female protagonist with few skills, none of which are particularly profitable. However, it's significantly more depressing. This might be part of the reason why I've never really felt like Katia has ever really had it that bad. Related to that, I recall you being asked this at some point but I forgot the answer, have you read anything by Weaver? Like, Ruby Quest or something?
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Kaz, did you ever read the old Boxdog threads by Weaver (and I guess the comic? I never read the webcomic that comes up whenever you google Boxdog and honestly don't know whether Weaver did that too)? When Kazerad got fanart from Weaver on the MSPA thread, he said that he was his inspiration.
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raverrn posted:Looks like an update. The last panel is adorable, almost makes me sad for what's probably next. A long, fulfilling career at the Kvatch Mage's Guild? Why would that make you sad? You're weird.
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