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I could be wrong, but don’t the majority of jobs that require you to take a drug test involve working with heavy machinery? It’s not because “if you’re a drug addict, you don’t deserve your money”, it’s simply a way to make sure no one is under the effects of drugs or intoxication while using dangerous equipment.
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It's kinda bullshit presuppose that if someone smokes pot or drinks on the weekends or in their free time that they're going to come to work obliterated and kill a bunch of people.
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Feb 14, 2012 01:32
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Incorrect Username posted:I could be wrong, but don’t the majority of jobs that require you to take a drug test involve working with heavy machinery? It’s not because “if you’re a drug addict, you don’t deserve your money”, it’s simply a way to make sure no one is under the effects of drugs or intoxication while using dangerous equipment. No, I had to do it to get a job as a cashier. I actually thought it was more of an insurance thing.
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Feb 14, 2012 01:50
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Really? The only time I've heard of it here (Australia) is in mining jobs. I agree Loving Life Partner, it is bullshit that someone can get fired from their job for smoking a joint a few days ago. Unfortunatly it carries that whole stigma of "only the guilty should be against it". Workplaces can easily say "we don't want anyone to come to work under the influence for safety reasons" and if you're caught for something in your system last week, they can come back with "well it's illegal so you shouldn't be doing it anyway".
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Feb 14, 2012 02:27
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Incorrect Username posted:Really? The only time I've heard of it here (Australia) is in mining jobs. I just decided to google "jobs that require a drug test" and the first link is an article from 2007 stating that 84% of all jobs require a drug test. quote:A 2006 survey by the Society for Human Resource Management found that 84 percent of employers required new hires to pass drug screenings, and 39 percent randomly tested employees after they were hired. In addition, 73 percent tested workers when drug use was suspected and 58 percent required testing after accidents on the job. And this is why I recommend coke, meth, and heroin*, as they pass through the body quickly. *Not intended to be a factual statement.
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Feb 14, 2012 02:35
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Sarion posted:No, I had to do it to get a job as a cashier. I actually thought it was more of an insurance thing. I had to get one when I worked as a salesperson at Best Buy. They're all over the loving place.
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Feb 14, 2012 02:36
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I had to take one to get a job as a nurse. I also had to take on when I was in school before clinical. They do random drug tests too, but mostly only if they suspect you are doing drugs. Not only the nurses are tested, all employees from kitchen to housekeeping. As if it really affects their job if they smoke a little pot on their days off. And every job I have ever heard of makes you take drug tests if you get hurt on the job in order to collect workman's comp. My husband used to manage fast food restaurants and said that there were some employees that would refuse to go to the doctor right away because they knew they would fail the piss test.
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Feb 14, 2012 02:37
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Are we in fact the only country that does drug testing on that huge a level? That's what I always heard, but it's generally been from other Americans.
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Feb 14, 2012 02:41
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Incorrect Username posted:I could be wrong, but don’t the majority of jobs that require you to take a drug test involve working with heavy machinery? It’s not because “if you’re a drug addict, you don’t deserve your money”, it’s simply a way to make sure no one is under the effects of drugs or intoxication while using dangerous equipment. To get any kind of job at a school, licensed teaching or not, you have to have a drug test and background check. Education's a pretty big sector of the economy so that's a lot of people right there.
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Feb 14, 2012 02:59
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Amused to Death posted:Are we in fact the only country that does drug testing on that huge a level? That's what I always heard, but it's generally been from other Americans. I've never been drug tested for a job here in the UK, and for my current job in the insurance industry I had to submit to a criminal records search along with a credit check to ensure that I didn't have a history of bad debt that might make me suceptible to bribes or the commission of identity fraud. As far as I'm concerned drug tests are something athletes get.
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Feb 14, 2012 03:26
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Incorrect Username posted:Really? The only time I've heard of it here (Australia) is in mining jobs.
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Feb 14, 2012 03:30
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It's all thanks to The War On Drugs, or "Keeping anyone that's not rich down"
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Feb 14, 2012 03:39
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The real kicker is that you have to pay for your own, or at least I did. Yeah sure, just let me, a person who was unemployed for 7 months prior to landing this part time job, drive 20 miles both ways and pay $30-50 to have my privacy invaded. I've literally never even taken an illegal drug and it's still loving stupid.
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Feb 14, 2012 04:14
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I'm an attorney that's worked at medium-large to large firms my entire career up until a few months ago and I've never pissed in a cup, and neither has anyone else I've ever worked with (or at least I've never heard of it). I think there's quite a bit to the whole "keeping the poor down" aspect of it.
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Feb 14, 2012 05:17
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I was "randomly selected" for a drug test when I worked at Circuit City but never at a real job since then. And never for any job outside of America.
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Feb 14, 2012 05:36
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Countblanc posted:The real kicker is that you have to pay for your own, or at least I did. Drug testing is lovely in every way, but this is the first time I've ever heard of someone having to pay for their own test (besides the welfare recipients in Florida). Let's hope it doesn't become a trend.
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Feb 14, 2012 05:58
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Amused to Death posted:Are we in fact the only country that does drug testing on that huge a level? That's what I always heard, but it's generally been from other Americans. Isn't it for insurance reasons? Most developed countries have UHC so that's probably one of the reasons why peeing in a cup is a uniquely American past-time.
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Feb 14, 2012 09:28
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The Rokstar posted:I think there's quite a bit to the whole "keeping the poor down" aspect of it. This is the absolute truth. It's another scare factor and hurdle meant to act as a control mechanism on people in low-wage, low-security jobs who come from disadvantaged backgrounds. In the food service jobs I had, the ones which didn't test were a kind of security blanket for people who relied on marijuana or other drugs to dull the shittiness of their lives. One of the reasons they rarely left for other, better jobs was because of fear of testing, and at the jobs I had where they did test, the sword of damocles was often on people's mind. However, once I got out of food service, tests were uncommon at best. No one was harried or worried about the prospect of a lifestyle audit, and their decision to stay in their workplace was guided by whether or not it was actually a good place to work.
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Feb 14, 2012 12:49
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The Rokstar posted:I'm an attorney that's worked at medium-large to large firms my entire career up until a few months ago and I've never pissed in a cup, and neither has anyone else I've ever worked with (or at least I've never heard of it). I think there's quite a bit to the whole "keeping the poor down" aspect of it. Yeah, I had to pee in a cup to work as a cashier for $7 an hour; but when I got my job at IBM and then Intel, nope, no piss test.
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Feb 14, 2012 13:04
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PTBrennan posted:If you support Obama this year, please drive with your headlights off at night so you get into a crash and die.
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Feb 14, 2012 13:07
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Big fan of the ever popular "Why are people discussing death of famous person X when ARE TROOPS are dying in the Middle East?? Why arent people on Facebook posting about them?" and other similar items for events like celebrations for champion sports teams or awards shows.
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Feb 14, 2012 15:20
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Is it crass to respond with "because the general population literally has never or will ever give a flying gently caress about soldiers ever"? I mean the general response to seeing a soldier missing a limb while out and about is to avoid eye contact. Nobody wants to be in the presence of a monument to the lovely decisions we've made on foreign diplomacy.
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Feb 14, 2012 15:26
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I don't think we need to talk about ARE TROOPS 24 hours a day but I thought it was pretty gross that the news last night started off with talk of Whitney Houston. Surely there's something more important to talk about than her, ARE TROOPS or not. But maybe it's just because I don't give a poo poo about her.
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Feb 14, 2012 15:33
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More like, one death is a tragedy sort of thing. Also, the same people who do ARE TROOPS are the ones who want us to stay in the war, go to war, ect.
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Feb 14, 2012 16:11
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Mooseontheloose posted:More like, one death is a tragedy sort of thing. Yeah, that. I don't support the troops and I didn't support either war. They were the ones beating the war drums, now they want us to reflect on the tragedy of a soldier's death.
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Feb 14, 2012 16:14
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Amused to Death posted:Are we in fact the only country that does drug testing on that huge a level? That's what I always heard, but it's generally been from other Americans. I've never been drugtested, and I know of noone who did in Belgium. As far as I know, the only jobs that could possibly require it are job like commercial pilots, train drivers, and military/police.
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Feb 14, 2012 16:18
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Fishstick posted:I've never been drugtested, and I know of noone who did in Belgium. As far as I know, the only jobs that could possibly require it are job like commercial pilots, train drivers, and military/police. Don't you have testing for nurses and other medical personnel (who could, potentially, steal pills at work or forge prescriptions)?
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Feb 14, 2012 16:23
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myron_cope posted:I don't think we need to talk about ARE TROOPS 24 hours a day but I thought it was pretty gross that the news last night started off with talk of Whitney Houston. Surely there's something more important to talk about than her, ARE TROOPS or not. Iunno, Whitney Houston was pretty important in mainstream acceptance of black pop musicians. That makes her newsworthy IMO.
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Feb 14, 2012 17:21
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myron_cope posted:I don't think we need to talk about ARE TROOPS 24 hours a day but I thought it was pretty gross that the news last night started off with talk of Whitney Houston. Surely there's something more important to talk about than her, ARE TROOPS or not. I was flipping through the channels the other night and came across the Headline News Network. You'd assume they'd be talking about important poo poo, right? Nope, they were interviewing Kris Jenner and speculating on whether Kim Kardashian's divorce would be televised. That whole family needs to disappear for awhile.
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Feb 14, 2012 18:11
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Headline News is a news channel that focuses on the world of entertainment. They literally never focus on anything important. During the previous administration, flagwavers were incensed every time the media focused on troop causalities, but now they're upset when the media doesn't. 
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Feb 14, 2012 18:21
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myron_cope posted:I don't think we need to talk about ARE TROOPS 24 hours a day but I thought it was pretty gross that the news last night started off with talk of Whitney Houston. Surely there's something more important to talk about than her, ARE TROOPS or not. The US military has been intervening in some foreign conflict pretty much constantly since WWII. "More US Soldiers die" sadly isn't a headline anymore. Whitney Houston is a celebrity and garners some attention, and will fade as the next big story comes up, but the next big story won't be what the military is up to, either.
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Feb 14, 2012 18:47
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Loving Life Partner posted:Is it crass to respond with "because the general population literally has never or will ever give a flying gently caress about soldiers ever"? what the gently caress are you talking about people bend over backwards to shake soldier's hands and give them free poo poo and thank them for their service and never shut up about how much soldiers are amazing and better people than the rest of us
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Feb 14, 2012 18:58
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Riptor posted:what the gently caress are you talking about people bend over backwards to shake soldier's hands and give them free poo poo and thank them for their service and never shut up about how much soldiers are amazing and better people than the rest of us Until they enter the voting booth.
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Feb 14, 2012 19:01
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Riptor posted:what the gently caress are you talking about people bend over backwards to shake soldier's hands and give them free poo poo and thank them for their service and never shut up about how much soldiers are amazing and better people than the rest of us Oh thank you soldier! Oh thank you so much! *shakes hand* *puts ribbon on his bumper* People LOVE to thank veterans, to shake their hands, to *support* them in anyway that doesn't actually mean poo poo. Want a job? gently caress you
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Riptor posted:what the gently caress are you talking about people bend over backwards to shake soldier's hands and give them free poo poo and thank them for their service and never shut up about how much soldiers are amazing and better people than the rest of us I'm sure Scott Olsen begs to differ.
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Feb 15, 2012 00:49
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Nenonen posted:Don't you have testing for nurses and other medical personnel (who could, potentially, steal pills at work or forge prescriptions)? Yes. I'm a pharmacist and have had pre-employment drug tests at each of my positions so far. I have also had to order a random drug test for all my staff after a box of morphine and several Duragesic patches went missing. It turned out one of my most trusted and tenured staff members came up highly positive for cocaine, and opioids. She admitted to pilfering cocaine and narcotics for years. The sad thing is she was a pretty awesome employee. Another life destroyed. I couldn't sleep well for awhile after having to let her go and report her to the board of pharmacy.
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Feb 15, 2012 04:29
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Sam. posted:I'm sure Scott Olsen begs to differ.
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Feb 15, 2012 04:52
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I had to pass a drug test and the Finnish Security Intelligence Service's security check to get my current job. Most of what we do is covered by a bank-grade NDA and we have several important corporations and institutions as customers, so I guess it makes sense. But then again, I know a company that hosts official registry databases for a government department, and they didn't have any kind of overt screening. 
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Feb 15, 2012 05:25
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CellBlock posted:The US military has been intervening in some foreign conflict pretty much constantly since WWII. "More US Soldiers die" sadly isn't a headline anymore. Whitney Houston is a celebrity and garners some attention, and will fade as the next big story comes up, but the next big story won't be what the military is up to, either.
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Sam. posted:I'm sure Scott Olsen begs to differ. What did he do?
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