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bobkatt013 posted:How does this make Hogan look good and everyone else bad? Well, in theory you do give Hogan some ammo to make heelish claims that "Stinger stole that title, brother! He didn't earn it!" But, yeah, I get your point. It's why 'Creative Control' is such a completely retarded idea.
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the_Vandal posted:I agree with Lone Rogue 100% about how they should have had the Macho Man as a mole. That would have made up for how lovely turning him was. Especially considering all the bad blood between him and Hogan. The trouble with this would be that Savage quite blatantly kept the belt on Hogan by (hilariously belatedly) hauling Hogan under the ropes about 3-4 seconds AFTER Piper had won the belt by putting Hogan to sleep, and the decision was overturned. If the aim was to get the belt off of Hogan, why would a mole Savage stopped him from losing it to Piper. I do despair though that they didn't pick up on the idea of Sting putting together an army of trusty guys to combat the nWo - Sting, Savage, DDP, The Giant and even dumb ol' Lex Luger would have made for a formidable team.
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I never understood why WCW never teamed up against the nWo. You'd have battle royals like WW3 where the nWo just sat there and did nothing while all the WCW guys fought each other.
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Jerusalem posted:The trouble with this would be that Savage quite blatantly kept the belt on Hogan by (hilariously belatedly) hauling Hogan under the ropes about 3-4 seconds AFTER Piper had won the belt by putting Hogan to sleep, and the decision was overturned. If the aim was to get the belt off of Hogan, why would a mole Savage stopped him from losing it to Piper. They would still betray him. Maybe not to the NWO but they would betray him.
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Oh absolutely, that's a given. But for a little while, at least, he could have thought he had true friends  Astro7x posted:I never understood why WCW never teamed up against the nWo. You'd have battle royals like WW3 where the nWo just sat there and did nothing while all the WCW guys fought each other. After going through the compilations of the nWo stuff recently, I can only come to the conclusion that the WCW roster was just flat out incredibly loving stupid.
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the_Vandal posted:I agree with Lone Rogue 100% about how they should have had the Macho Man as a mole. That would have made up for how lovely turning him was. Especially considering all the bad blood between him and Hogan. This is by far the worst idea. They had him beat the living poo poo out of DDP and countless other WCW wrestlers, do all sorts of lovely things to be a mole and turn on Hogan in some match that was 9 months away? This is quite possibly the worst idea. Sting beating off the nWo and Hogan getting a belt shot nearfall? Great. Some WCW guy turning? Sure. But a guy who had been in the nWo for 9 months and done so much heinous poo poo revealing himself to be a mole? Completely loving stupid. You could have him refuse to help Hogan and set up the Wolfpac angle, or get in some scuffle during the run ins with other nWo members, but a mole? Ugh.
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Feb 14, 2012 07:24
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Bocc Kob posted:What if... Elizabeth were the mole! Something like that would actually work well. I'm not sure how you would work it, but that would work pretty well in doing an interesting swerve but not making it seem like the turn was the thing winning Elizabeth the title.
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Feb 14, 2012 07:36
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I guess it would have been best if Savage had never loving turned and stood by his true friend Sting. I think Luger is the only person that never turned on Sting regardless of his face/heel alignment. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Luger was like the first guy who turned on Sting and he was the one who NWO Sting jumped, so he got the closest look. Then he became the Total Package and turned on Sting every couple weeks. 
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Jerusalem posted:The trouble with this would be that Savage quite blatantly kept the belt on Hogan by (hilariously belatedly) hauling Hogan under the ropes about 3-4 seconds AFTER Piper had won the belt by putting Hogan to sleep, and the decision was overturned. If the aim was to get the belt off of Hogan, why would a mole Savage stopped him from losing it to Piper. What would work here is that Sting wanted guys he felt was "legitimate to WCW". He wanted guys who wouldn't club Sting in the back after provoked because they would realize what he was about. In other words, have Piper cut a promo afterward where he blasts WCW for their lack of defending him and then have Sting do the bat chair confrontation. Sting circles the chair, smacks the bat, then hands Piper the bat. Piper acts like he isn't going to hit Sting, goes for the swing, Sting takes the bat away and beats him down. Piper then disappears for a few months. Maybe this isn't using Piper to the best of his value but that'd at least explain why Savage would stop Piper from winning the title. He wasn't a guy that was going to lead WCW. He was only a guy who cared about his own legacy. Or... the simple fact that Savage is never going to get in the good graces of the nWo unless he helps Hogan retain the World Title. Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette! It's just like Sting being fine with attacking members of the Four Horsemen. If Savage is going to infiltrate the nWo and destroy it from within, he's going to have to gain their trust.
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While everyone is doing this "What if..." stuff, in Bischoff's book (i think it was his) he said that "the third man" was going to be Sting if Hogan refused the idea at the last minute. Sting was even backstage ready to do the run in, if need be. This isn't too far fetched considering how Hogan was terribly nervous about what this heel turn could do to his character. Hell, you can even see how he looks nervous when he's heading down to the ring. Now that is a massive What If?
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Crow Hogan could have collapsed WCW years ahead of time.
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:While everyone is doing this "What if..." stuff, in Bischoff's book (i think it was his) he said that "the third man" was going to be Sting if Hogan refused the idea at the last minute. Sting was even backstage ready to do the run in, if need be. This isn't too far fetched considering how Hogan was terribly nervous about what this heel turn could do to his character. Hell, you can even see how he looks nervous when he's heading down to the ring. So he was going to turn in the middle of the match? He was on Team WCW.
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Bocc Kob posted:Crow Hogan could have collapsed WCW years ahead of time. I've literally been loling at this. The thought of Hogan dropping from the ceiling and stalking someone from the shadows is loving hilarious.
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bobkatt013 posted:So he was going to turn in the middle of the match? He was on Team WCW. Whoops my bad on that, it was right before the match where Sting had agreed to it if Hogan didn't, but Hogan wound up doing it. EDIT - gently caress, it's been about a year since I read Bischoff's book. It went down like that somehow. I just remember him saying that Sting was ready to be the third man if Hogan wouldn't do it. ColonelJohnMatrix fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Feb 14, 2012 |
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:Whoops my bad on that, it was right before the match where Sting had agreed to it if Hogan didn't, but Hogan wound up doing it. Also Bischoff is always full of poo poo
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I wonder. If Sting had turned heel to join the Outsiders, would the Outsiders have stabbed him in the back and instantly turned face again?
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bobkatt013 posted:So he was going to turn in the middle of the match? He was on Team WCW. The back up plan was if Hogan wouldn't do the spot that Sting would've been taken out of the match the same way that Luger was (in the spot that teased a Luger turn)and then turn at the end of the match. Something amusing to note is that the thinking was that they couldn't turn Luger because he had turned so many times it would've been meaningless, but at the same time because everyone expected him to turn it made for a great misdirection spot.
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Skinty McEdger posted:The back up plan was if Hogan wouldn't do the spot that Sting would've been taken out of the match the same way that Luger was (in the spot that teased a Luger turn)and then turn at the end of the match. Something amusing to note is that the thinking was that they couldn't turn Luger because he had turned so many times it would've been meaningless, but at the same time because everyone expected him to turn it made for a great misdirection spot. Ah, thanks for the clarification. I thought I remembered Bischoff saying that he had plan in case Hogan got cold feet during the match.
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:I've literally been loling at this. The thought of Hogan dropping from the ceiling and stalking someone from the shadows is loving hilarious. So guess you, like 99.99999% of the wrestling audience completely forgot about "Darkside Hogan" from 1995 WCW... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhwHPiOKQyI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9_QsD4ehdM
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Nothing changed about his character though other than that he wore black. He was the same ole Hulk Hogan, saying the same catch phrases and saying the same one liners.
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Astro7x posted:Nothing changed about his character though other than that he wore black. He was the same ole Hulk Hogan, saying the same catch phrases and saying the same one liners. So John Cena "embracing the hate"?
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Astro7x posted:Nothing changed about his character though other than that he wore black. He was the same ole Hulk Hogan, saying the same catch phrases and saying the same one liners. Those promos remind of me of "Millionare's Club" Hardcore Hogan, where he kept trying to setup tables to put people through, but (accidentally) kept breaking them while trying to correctly unfold them. It was loving hilarious.
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:I've literally been loling at this. The thought of Hogan dropping from the ceiling and stalking someone from the shadows is loving hilarious.
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The best part of darkside hogan is the promo where him and Savage are hanging about on Venice beach with a couple of homeless people. It's one of the most surreal segments I've ever seen, though I'm sad to say I can't seem to find it on youtube anymore.
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Skinty McEdger posted:The best part of darkside hogan is the promo where him and Savage are hanging about on Venice beach with a couple of homeless people. It's one of the most surreal segments I've ever seen, though I'm sad to say I can't seem to find it on youtube anymore. From the company that brought you Two Wrestlers on a Beach with Orphans, it's the sequel two years in the making... Two Wrestlers on a Beach with the Homeless!
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Chunky Delight posted:I stopped watching WCW right before Hogan joined and didn't start watching again until the NWO began. The clips I've see of Hogan's face run seemed very cartoonish. How was the WCW midcard during that time? I fully admit I really liked WCW a lot, I used to prefer it to what the WWF was producing when I was a kid/teen. The Hogan face period is probably one of their worst periods until things got really terrible at the end. Its really bad. Theres a reason that guys like Austin and Foley left the company during that time.
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FishBulb posted:I fully admit I really liked WCW a lot, I used to prefer it to what the WWF was producing when I was a kid/teen. Same here, and totally agree, Hulk's face run was basically WCW's Super Cena, and it caused a lot of legit talent to flee the ship.
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Chunky Delight posted:I stopped watching WCW right before Hogan joined and didn't start watching again until the NWO began. The clips I've see of Hogan's face run seemed very cartoonish. How was the WCW midcard during that time? See Uncensored '96... they just kept putting Hogan up against Kevin Sullivan and the Dungeon of Doom and the Alliance To End Hulkamania. Hogan feuded with The Giant mainly, but that's all that sticks out in my mind. When Savage had the belt Hogan never feuded with him over it. Hogan didn't even go out of the 1995 World War 3 battle royal cleanly when Savage won it.
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FishBulb posted:I fully admit I really liked WCW a lot, I used to prefer it to what the WWF was producing when I was a kid/teen. Ya Hogan was bringing in all his friends and had Bishoff's ear.
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Glitterbomber posted:Same here, and totally agree, Hulk's face run was basically WCW's Super Cena, and it caused a lot of legit talent to flee the ship. On top of that Ricky Steamboat had his career ending injury and Flair was "retired" for awhile because of the idiotic Halloween Havoc 94 stipulations.
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MassRayPer posted:On top of that Ricky Steamboat had his career ending injury and Flair was "retired" for awhile because of the idiotic Halloween Havoc 94 stipulations. Oh poo poo I forgot the Steamboat thing happened during that too, yea they started hemorrhaging talent during that.
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I remember seeing some old WCW Saturday Nights from back then, before Hogan came in, and there was Stunning Steve Austin, as U.S. champion, and he was in a feud with Steamboat and even calling out Ric Flair in a couple of promos. I don't know if there was ever a plan to have an Austin/Flair program, but even back then Austin was a great midcard-level heel, and seeing him and Flair back then would have been great. Again, I dunno if it's one of the things they had in mind before Hogan came in and they had to scrap everything, or if it was just a random thing Austin was doing to heel it up.
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CVagts posted:I remember seeing some old WCW Saturday Nights from back then, before Hogan came in, and there was Stunning Steve Austin, as U.S. champion, and he was in a feud with Steamboat and even calling out Ric Flair in a couple of promos. I don't know if there was ever a plan to have an Austin/Flair program, but even back then Austin was a great midcard-level heel, and seeing him and Flair back then would have been great. Again, I dunno if it's one of the things they had in mind before Hogan came in and they had to scrap everything, or if it was just a random thing Austin was doing to heel it up. According to Flair he was grooming Austen to be his replacement. However it is Flair who said that.
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