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El Kabong
Apr 14, 2004
-$10

Admiral101 posted:

But yeah, $1,300 sounds about right for self employment tax on $12,000 of what's mostly profit. Do you have any other income besides that 12000?

If you continue to do that type of side work, you're going to want to start making quarterly estimated tax payments to cover your tax liability (see the OP). If you don't, you'll end up being subject to interest/penalty in future years for owing that much tax.

That's all I made.

Can I contribute to an IRA or something to bring my owed taxes to zero?

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Admiral101
Feb 20, 2006
RMU: Where using the internet is like living in 1995.

quote:

That's all I made.

Can I contribute to an IRA or something to bring my owed taxes to zero?

No. IRA contributions have no effect on your self employment earnings, and therefore no effect on your self employment tax.

IRAs only affect income tax.

I can't imagine a legal way for your tax liability to be zero. You earned income in 2011, you will pay tax on this income.

Admiral101 fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Feb 13, 2012

MJP
Jun 17, 2007

Are you looking at me Senpai?

Grimey Drawer
My apologies for furushotakeru for abusing the free advice rather than have you do our taxes, but we opted to just take the hit we think we're going to take and write it off to under withholding.

So I'm re-doing my W-4 this year to prevent a tax bill for 2012. I owe the feds $354 this year.

For my previous W-4, I had only 1 allowance for myself. I think that might be it, the cause of under-withholding.

I'm re-doing my current W-4. By going through the W-4 I put 0 allowances and $49 withholding per paycheck for 23 remaining pay periods. Our highest paying job is $65k on the nose, lowest is in the low $50k range.

Is this enough info? Am I doing this correctly?

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

MJP posted:

My apologies for furushotakeru for abusing the free advice rather than have you do our taxes, but we opted to just take the hit we think we're going to take and write it off to under withholding.

So I'm re-doing my W-4 this year to prevent a tax bill for 2012. I owe the feds $354 this year.

For my previous W-4, I had only 1 allowance for myself. I think that might be it, the cause of under-withholding.

I'm re-doing my current W-4. By going through the W-4 I put 0 allowances and $49 withholding per paycheck for 23 remaining pay periods. Our highest paying job is $65k on the nose, lowest is in the low $50k range.

Is this enough info? Am I doing this correctly?

Are you married? What's your partners W-4 look like? Your W-4 should have been just fine.

Honestly I wouldn't stress about a 354 dollar tax bill, I rather have the extra cash through the year than get a refund.

MJP
Jun 17, 2007

Are you looking at me Senpai?

Grimey Drawer
Married filing jointly, my bad.

We do own a home and had around $10,300 of mortgage interest - while a $354 bill isn't terrible per se, I'd rather have an expectation that I don't owe much if anything at the end of the year and just have it taken out of our income.

Marman1209
Jun 14, 2005
NonSequar got me this account for no damned reason.
On my W-2 in box '14-Other' I have 'GIFTC 1243.18', which was for 350 dollars in visa gift cards I'd received from work.

Is that normal for poo poo like this?

AbbiTheDog
May 21, 2007

Marman1209 posted:

On my W-2 in box '14-Other' I have 'GIFTC 1243.18', which was for 350 dollars in visa gift cards I'd received from work.

Is that normal for poo poo like this?

poo poo like what? That's taxable compensation, why wouldn't you pay tax on it?

Marman1209
Jun 14, 2005
NonSequar got me this account for no damned reason.

AbbiTheDog posted:

poo poo like what? That's taxable compensation, why wouldn't you pay tax on it?

Being reported as $1243 instead of $350.

AbbiTheDog
May 21, 2007

Marman1209 posted:

Being reported as $1243 instead of $350.

You might have gotten other items. Company car, other freebies/swag, etc. Check with HR on that.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

My mother-in-law received a 1099-S form for the sale of her house. She's appears to meet the exceptions for having to pay tax on the sale. Does she still need to file a tax return? She has no other income, hasn't filed a return in 40+ years and is a dependent on my return.

IRS seems to say yes. (bullet #4)

AbbiTheDog
May 21, 2007

FCKGW posted:

My mother-in-law received a 1099-S form for the sale of her house. She's appears to meet the exceptions for having to pay tax on the sale. Does she still need to file a tax return? She has no other income, hasn't filed a return in 40+ years and is a dependent on my return.

IRS seems to say yes. (bullet #4)

Technically it's a "no." However, some of our clients that have sold their homes have gotten IRS matching notices. Once we send them a letter, it gets cleared up, but it's still a hassle.

I'd recommend filing a return showing zero gain or loss just to make the IRS computers happy.

Binary
May 21, 2004
I already filed my 2011 taxes and just got a 1099 showing $100 profit from a stock in 2011 that I forgot about. Should I bother to amend to pay tax on this? I'm in the 25% bracket.

Also, I realized that I have had two prior jobs making very little income that I don't think I ever filed a return for. One was in 2004 making less than $4,000 and one was in 2005 making less than $10,000. I figure that any tax I owed was already witheld and if it was an issue I'd know about it alreadt, is this right?

AbbiTheDog
May 21, 2007

Binary posted:

I already filed my 2011 taxes and just got a 1099 showing $100 profit from a stock in 2011 that I forgot about. Should I bother to amend to pay tax on this? I'm in the 25% bracket.

Also, I realized that I have had two prior jobs making very little income that I don't think I ever filed a return for. One was in 2004 making less than $4,000 and one was in 2005 making less than $10,000. I figure that any tax I owed was already witheld and if it was an issue I'd know about it alreadt, is this right?

I would fix 2011. The IRS (depending on the year of purchase and sophistication of the computers for the new 1099-B form) usually only gets the gross proceeds and assumes it is all short-term capital gains, leading to a nasty CP2000 matching notice.

For the prior years, if the IRS thinks you might owe money they usually send you letters to that effect.

entris
Oct 22, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post
Isn't he already beyond the three-year statute of limitations on audits for 2004 and 2005? Those returns should be closed.

scribe jones
Sep 17, 2008

One of the key problems in the analysis of this puzzling book is to be able to differentiate a real language from meaningless writing.

entris posted:

Isn't he already beyond the three-year statute of limitations on audits for 2004 and 2005? Those returns should be closed.
they can go back as far as they want for nonfilers, iirc.

AbbiTheDog
May 21, 2007

scribe jones posted:

they can go back as far as they want for nonfilers, iirc.

Statute doesn't start until you file.

Edit: If the IRS computers think, based on the document they have gotten on your account (W-2s, 1099s, etc.) that you might owe taxes, eventually they lose patience and file a statutory return for you and make assumptions, and then leave it up to you to correct if necessary.

entris
Oct 22, 2008

by Y Kant Ozma Post
Oh right, duh.

J33uk
Oct 24, 2005
Can't find anywhere better to mention this, but the IRS efiling system is apparently going slightly sideways right now, with the IRS website even mentioning that plenty of people are getting bogus messages about no info on file.

KennyG
Oct 22, 2002
Here to blow my own horn.
I don't know whether to be happy or sad that I'm getting a .25% combined refund.

On the one hand, I had a nearly 13% refund last year so I'd say I did better on my W4. Although, I may need to reduce it as some key deductions will finish phasing out this year unless I get married. :argh:

I know it's my money, but of course when you get used to that nice February cash infusion and then you get bubkis it kind of puts a damper on things.

seymore
Jan 9, 2012

scribe jones posted:

they can go back as far as they want for nonfilers, iirc.

That is correct.

Tenacious J
Nov 20, 2002

Here's a tough one: I live in Canada and sell ebooks through a website based in the US. I've registered in Canada as a sole proprietorship so I could obtain an EIN from the IRS, which I have done. I need this to file form W-8 in order to reduce the 30% witholdings I'd incur from living outside the US, as per a tax treaty between our countries.

Now, I'm really worried that I will need to file US income tax in addition to Canadian income tax because when I called for my EIN, the guy said he was sending me an information package on how to file my taxes. Can anyone comment on this/offer advice? Do I need to do anything more with the IRS? Thanks.

AbbiTheDog
May 21, 2007

Tenacious J posted:

Here's a tough one: I live in Canada and sell ebooks through a website based in the US. I've registered in Canada as a sole proprietorship so I could obtain an EIN from the IRS, which I have done. I need this to file form W-8 in order to reduce the 30% witholdings I'd incur from living outside the US, as per a tax treaty between our countries.

Now, I'm really worried that I will need to file US income tax in addition to Canadian income tax because when I called for my EIN, the guy said he was sending me an information package on how to file my taxes. Can anyone comment on this/offer advice? Do I need to do anything more with the IRS? Thanks.

Amount if international taxation I do = zero. Furu might do some, but he seems busy for some reason.

furushotakeru
Jul 20, 2004

Your Honor, why am I pink?!

Tenacious J posted:

Here's a tough one: I live in Canada and sell ebooks through a website based in the US. I've registered in Canada as a sole proprietorship so I could obtain an EIN from the IRS, which I have done. I need this to file form W-8 in order to reduce the 30% witholdings I'd incur from living outside the US, as per a tax treaty between our countries.

Now, I'm really worried that I will need to file US income tax in addition to Canadian income tax because when I called for my EIN, the guy said he was sending me an information package on how to file my taxes. Can anyone comment on this/offer advice? Do I need to do anything more with the IRS? Thanks.

Depends on how the website is reporting your income. If they issue a 1099-MISC at the end of the year the IRS will probably look for a tax return at some point, but if they issue a 1042-S they probably will not.

cbirdsong
Sep 8, 2004

Commodore of the Apocalypso
Lipstick Apathy
Welp. I've been a bad freelance contractor and haven't put nearly enough money away to pay my self-employment tax for the year. I've deducted the business-related purchases I've made throughout the year, and the chances I can gather up the required amount before April 20 is pretty slim. What are my options?

Tenacious J
Nov 20, 2002

furushotakeru posted:

Depends on how the website is reporting your income. If they issue a 1099-MISC at the end of the year the IRS will probably look for a tax return at some point, but if they issue a 1042-S they probably will not.

Thank you. Though your usage of "probably" worries me.

Edit: I have decided that if there's a chance the IRS will expect something from me for filing the W-8, that I won't bother. So now I'm wondering if having obtained an EIN has put me in a similar situation. If I don't use my EIN on anything, can I just forget about it?

Edit 2: I found this on the IRS website, and I believe that it means I have nothing to worry about. Can someone confirm?

quote:

Income that residents of Canada receive for personal services as independent contractors or self-employed individuals is subject to the provisions of Article VII (Business Profits) of the treaty. Under that provision, business profits are exempt from U.S. income tax unless the individual has a permanent establishment in the United States. If they have a permanent establishment in the United States, they are taxed on the profit attributable to the permanent establishment. Under Article V (Permanent Establishment), you may be considered to provide services through a permanent establishment in the United States even if you do not have a fixed place of business.

Thank you so much - I realize this is a little bit out of line with this thread.

Tenacious J fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Feb 17, 2012

furushotakeru
Jul 20, 2004

Your Honor, why am I pink?!

CDOR Gemini posted:

Welp. I've been a bad freelance contractor and haven't put nearly enough money away to pay my self-employment tax for the year. I've deducted the business-related purchases I've made throughout the year, and the chances I can gather up the required amount before April 20 is pretty slim. What are my options?

Pay what you can by 4/17 and get on an installment plan for the rest.

I generally suggest that you make your 1Q 2012 estimated payment your #1 priority with whatever funds you have available. No use making your 2011 debt smaller if it is just going to make you get behind on your 2012 ES payments and owe next year, etc.

AbbiTheDog
May 21, 2007

furushotakeru posted:

Pay what you can by 4/17 and get on an installment plan for the rest.

I generally suggest that you make your 1Q 2012 estimated payment your #1 priority with whatever funds you have available. No use making your 2011 debt smaller if it is just going to make you get behind on your 2012 ES payments and owe next year, etc.

Some of our clients who owe by 4/15 but can't pay do the following that I do not condone:

Extend the return, gather money all summer, and pay the tax when you file the final return in October. They get to have all summer without the IRS breathing down your neck.

Disclaimer - some would argue that you don't have a valid extension under this strategy, use at your own risk.

scribe jones
Sep 17, 2008

One of the key problems in the analysis of this puzzling book is to be able to differentiate a real language from meaningless writing.
What the gently caress is with firefighters thinking they can deduct everything they buy all year no matter what it is :psyduck:

Is this universal, or am I just hitting a streak?

furushotakeru
Jul 20, 2004

Your Honor, why am I pink?!

scribe jones posted:

What the gently caress is with firefighters thinking they can deduct everything they buy all year no matter what it is :psyduck:

Is this universal, or am I just hitting a streak?

Dunno abut that but I have yet to meet an attorney who doesnt refuse to believe that they can't write off their suits as an employee expense :v:

SilkyP
Jul 21, 2004

The Boo-Box

I'm not sure if this has been answered but I am a contract worker for a company and therefore have to file and pay my 2011 taxes by this april. I was curious as to the payment plan options for my federal taxes. I visited the IRS website but didn't really get too much helpful information. Anyone have any knowledge on the subject like minimum payments, interest charged, etc.

Binary
May 21, 2004
I was looking over my old tax returns for 2009 and 2010 to see if there were any student loan interest/tuition deductions I missed. I went to H&R block with my info and it appears that I deducted student loan interest for 2009 without taking into account tax free tution reimbursement I had received from my employer that year. I may actually owe a small amount based on the recalculations. I'm going back in next week with more documentation, is the tution reimbursement I forgot about going to screw me?

seymore
Jan 9, 2012

Tenacious J posted:

Thank you. Though your usage of "probably" worries me.

Edit: I have decided that if there's a chance the IRS will expect something from me for filing the W-8, that I won't bother. So now I'm wondering if having obtained an EIN has put me in a similar situation. If I don't use my EIN on anything, can I just forget about it?

Edit 2: I found this on the IRS website, and I believe that it means I have nothing to worry about. Can someone confirm?


Thank you so much - I realize this is a little bit out of line with this thread.

Based upon what you have told us you should not have to pay tax to the US.

seymore
Jan 9, 2012

SilkyP posted:

I'm not sure if this has been answered but I am a contract worker for a company and therefore have to file and pay my 2011 taxes by this april. I was curious as to the payment plan options for my federal taxes. I visited the IRS website but didn't really get too much helpful information. Anyone have any knowledge on the subject like minimum payments, interest charged, etc.

The short answer is that if you are self employed then you should have been making quarterly tax payments during 2011. If you did not do so then you will owe your entire tax liability by April 17th of this year.

furushotakeru
Jul 20, 2004

Your Honor, why am I pink?!

seymore posted:

Based upon what you have told us you should not have to pay tax to the US.

Yes but the remaining question is does he have to file a US non resident income tax return to let the IRS know that he doesn't owe US income tax, and my answer was "depends but probably not"

coronaball
Feb 6, 2005

You're finished, pork-o-nazi!
Another IRA question: I read that you can take an IRA disbursement without penalty if it is used to cover medical expenses that are more than 7.5% of your AGI. I am married and file jointly. Is that 7.5% of my personal AGI, or of both my and my spouse's AGI?

furushotakeru
Jul 20, 2004

Your Honor, why am I pink?!

coronaball posted:

Another IRA question: I read that you can take an IRA disbursement without penalty if it is used to cover medical expenses that are more than 7.5% of your AGI. I am married and file jointly. Is that 7.5% of my personal AGI, or of both my and my spouse's AGI?

7.5% of the AGI on the joint return.

pr0k
Jan 16, 2001

"Well if it's gonna be
that kind of party..."
Hey furushotakeru, thanks again for this thread. I haven't needed tax advice in years, but somehow I knew this would be here.

I hosed up last year, paid my taxes, but I think I forgot to actually eFile them. I can't imagine what my goddamn stupid thoughtprocess was. Anyway, I just got the letter a month ago or so, so I reprinted the 1040 and mailed it in. TaxACT wants money to let me see last years activity, and I'm not even sure it will tell me what last year's filing status was. Doesn't matter, whether I filed it or not, the IRS didn't have it.

So, of course, they haven't processed the paper return yet, so my e-File for this year was rejected. Goddamn it.

Briefly, is it worth calling the IRS and explaining all this, and trying to get them to fix the electronic records, so I can eFile this year? Or should I not bother and just send the paper and hope for the best next year (and wait much longer for my refund, of course!! :mad: )

Harminoff
Oct 24, 2005

👽
Small question here. I filed my taxes and recently received them. Federal was direct, but for some reason state sent me a check. I noticed that it had a watermark, and when i tilt it it says void. Is that to prevent photocopying of the check, or did they send me a void check by mistake?

pr0k
Jan 16, 2001

"Well if it's gonna be
that kind of party..."

Harminoff posted:

to prevent photocopying of the check

You got it. It's a pretty common practice.

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furushotakeru
Jul 20, 2004

Your Honor, why am I pink?!

pr0k posted:

Hey furushotakeru, thanks again for this thread. I haven't needed tax advice in years, but somehow I knew this would be here.

I hosed up last year, paid my taxes, but I think I forgot to actually eFile them. I can't imagine what my goddamn stupid thoughtprocess was. Anyway, I just got the letter a month ago or so, so I reprinted the 1040 and mailed it in. TaxACT wants money to let me see last years activity, and I'm not even sure it will tell me what last year's filing status was. Doesn't matter, whether I filed it or not, the IRS didn't have it.

So, of course, they haven't processed the paper return yet, so my e-File for this year was rejected. Goddamn it.

Briefly, is it worth calling the IRS and explaining all this, and trying to get them to fix the electronic records, so I can eFile this year? Or should I not bother and just send the paper and hope for the best next year (and wait much longer for my refund, of course!! :mad: )

You're going to need to either mail your 2011 return in or pay someone to efile it for you. Professional preparers don't need AGI information from last year to efile.

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