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I watched and liked Outlaw Star when it aired, but the fact that I really can't remember too much about it - or Melfina - obviously doesn't say much for whether it's any good. But though Charles being a misogynist in favor of an anime character is pretty bad, it could be more anime. There was a catgirl on that show.
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Don't forget that the protagonist's name was... ahem. Gene Starwind. Such a stupid embarrassing anime name. All I remember about that show is my next-door neighbor's weird cousin trying to convince me how hot the scene where the catgirl shows her nippleless boobs in the hot tub was. I promptly ignored anime forever.
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QuickbreathFinisher posted:Don't forget that the protagonist's name was... ahem. Gene Starwind. So uh how do you feel about Luke Skywalker then All I really remember about Outlaw Star was thinking that caster bullets were awesome and that it was fun to watch, but I guess I never really caught on to how much fanservice there apparently was.
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Adelheid Stark posted:So uh how do you feel about Luke Skywalker then I was actually about to say the very same thing. Which leads into a short/sad mentioning of a boy with orange-ish teeth in highschool who was pale and scrawny and looked like he was meant for a life of villainy, who tried to ask me out. His name was Luke Sackrider. I wish I was kidding.
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cuntvalet posted:I was actually about to say the very same thing. I feel like I just stumbled into the erotica thread.
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Adelheid Stark posted:All I really remember about Outlaw Star was thinking that caster bullets were awesome and that it was fun to watch, but I guess I never really caught on to how much fanservice there apparently was. It originally aired on Toonami, so a lot of the fanservice was cut out of the TV version.
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I've seen the Japanese run of Outlaw Star. It's neither worse nor better than the average anime series, so, like, it's not a creepo indicator on Charles' part beyond "is into anime."
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Allen Wren posted:I've seen the Japanese run of Outlaw Star. It's neither worse nor better than the average anime series, so, like, it's not a creepo indicator on Charles' part beyond "is into anime."
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the kawaiiest posted:I don't know, I think there's something unbelievably creepy about guys who are obsessed with these girl robot characters. Admittedly being obsessed with anime characters is pretty weird as it is, but there's something about the whole "dumb, submissive robot girls are hot" thing that makes it extra creepy. Not saying you're wrong (because they are creepy), but just pointing out that basically a guy obsessed any submissive, naive robot girl - no matter who she was - being creepy doesn't mean Outlaw Star, the anime in particular, is a creepo indicator on Charles' part. It just means that Charles is most definitely creepy, and that he's obsessed with a dumb, submissive robot girl makes it worse. The character is an unfortunate victim. We can all lampoon me for calling an anime character a "victim" now.
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anime does have a lot of really crass sexual "humor" that isn't funny at all and shoehorns little girls into everything. I really don't get a lot of how anime portrays people in general even minus all that, it's so fake and lifeless, even in series meant to be for older audiences.
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Basically what kimitsu said---Charles is being super-creepy, but, like, the last page is people going "is this show super-creepy or what, I dunno, I only saw a bit on CN" and I'm just saying it's basically on the same level of creep as anime in general. Charles, again, is massively creepy.
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Outlaw Star was awesome because it was all about space pirates and antique guns that shoot magic spells. I'd say the distinction between "hobbyist fascination" and "creepy sperglord" depends on whether or not people are using that as a substitute for genuine romantic relationships. And how tactful you are about keeping your fangirl crushes private. I know someone who used to be like, really obsessed with Rinoa from FF8. He simply grew out of it for the most part, and jokes about it now. Plus I don't think he really rubbed it into anyone's faces. Over time he grew out of it for the most part, and now he's a pretty chill stoner dude who is a drat fine human being. On the other hand, I know a girl who had a fully functioning romantic relationship with another anime nerd. But whenever I chilled at their place he might be dressed in a yukata, and she might be in some sort of frilly loli-goth outfit around the apartment. Needless to say, it was weird. And then on the far end there's this: Lady of the Beech posted:Just thought I'd share this picture from the Awkward & Ugly thread:  It's a spectrum for the most part, but so long as you maintain a grip on reality I don't really care what you do in your private life. Unless it has something to do with diapers and/or fursuits. ShadowCatboy fucked around with this message at 10:45 on Feb 16, 2012 |
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Yonic Symbolism posted:anime does have a lot of really crass sexual "humor" that isn't funny at all and shoehorns little girls into everything. I really don't get a lot of how anime portrays people in general even minus all that, it's so fake and lifeless, even in series meant to be for older audiences. As for the whole sexual humor thing, anime in general is unfortunately all about objectifying women (and little girls). There are exceptions of course but overall it's almost always stupid and/or very submissive women falling in love with a complete loser, multiple incredibly hot and horny women falling in love with a complete loser, little girls falling in love with a complete loser, women and girls in skimpy outfits and of course, panty shots. It's almost impossible to find an anime where the women/girls aren't sexualized somehow. Even K-ON, which is fairly innocent by comparison, has its bath scenes and beach episodes. You will find better female characters in children's anime like Ojamajo Doremi than in most of the stuff that's intended for an older audience. It's really ridiculous. Allen Wren posted:Basically what kimitsu said---Charles is being super-creepy, but, like, the last page is people going "is this show super-creepy or what, I dunno, I only saw a bit on CN" and I'm just saying it's basically on the same level of creep as anime in general.
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the kawaiiest posted:As for the whole sexual humor thing, anime in general is unfortunately all about objectifying women (and little girls). There are exceptions of course but overall it's almost always stupid and/or very submissive women falling in love with a complete loser, multiple incredibly hot and horny women falling in love with a complete loser, little girls falling in love with a complete loser, women and girls in skimpy outfits and of course, panty shots. It's almost impossible to find an anime where the women/girls aren't sexualized somehow. Even K-ON, which is fairly innocent by comparison, has its bath scenes and beach episodes. You will find better female characters in children's anime like Ojamajo Doremi than in most of the stuff that's intended for an older audience. It's really ridiculous.
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Colon V posted:The irony of this statement with your username and avatar is not lost on you, I hope. Don't worry. She knows.
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Allen Wren posted:Basically what kimitsu said---Charles is being super-creepy, but, like, the last page is people going "is this show super-creepy or what, I dunno, I only saw a bit on CN" and I'm just saying it's basically on the same level of creep as anime in general. "I saw a bit of this on CN" guy here. I didn't actually mean to say Outlaw Star was beyond normal anime levels of creepy (especially with the very little bit I saw). I was just driving home the point Charles was megacreepy because not only was his waifu some completely submissive robot girl, but she routinely
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projecthalaxy posted:"LOOK HOW MUCH WE KNOW AND CARE ABOUT BOXING/CARS/MAHJONG/WHATEVER".
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the kawaiiest posted:As for the whole sexual humor thing, visual media in general is unfortunately all about objectifying women (and little girls). There are exceptions of course... Fixed that for you.
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I don't think "most visual media" objectifies little girls. For most audiences it's creepy and off-pitting when it happens.
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Defiance Industries posted:I don't think "most visual media" objectifies little girls. For most audiences it's creepy and off-pitting when it happens.
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Colon V posted:Unless you're talking about Eyeshield 21, in which case it's about as adherent to rules and established knowledge as Yu-Gi-Oh. I recall hearing that most of the most ridiculous rules problems are because it follows high school rulesets instead of professional ones, but that certainly doesn't excuse all of it. Colon V posted:Lots of Japanese media does, though. It's an entirely different (and terrifyingly misogynistic) culture. Americans have their gun and shooting and explosion and blood fetishes, Japan's got their 8-year-olds-in-swimsuits fetishes. You know I'd... I'd really thought most of that stuff was supposed to appeal to a sense of "aww, it's so cute." Then I found this thread and the tvtropes thread. 
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Colon V posted:Lots of Japanese media does, though. It's an entirely different (and terrifyingly misogynistic) culture. Americans have their gun and shooting and explosion and blood fetishes, Japan's got their 8-year-olds-in-swimsuits fetishes. e: Katsuma posted:Don't worry. She knows. the kawaiiest fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Feb 17, 2012 |
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InEscape posted:I learned about this today: http://deviantartsecret.deviantart.com What's strange about a 14-year-old angsting, having unrealistic aspirations, liking children's shows, and being sexually confused? This thread is about 30-year-olds who do that mate
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Zotwoz posted:What's strange about a 14-year-old angsting, having unrealistic aspirations, liking children's shows, and being sexually confused? This thread is about 30-year-olds who do that mate I think it's mostly that when I was 14 it was just totally inappropriate to broadcast this kind of thing. And something about wanting someone else to be a pedophile. And the yaoi thing.
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InEscape posted:I think it's mostly that when I was 14 it was just totally inappropriate to broadcast this kind of thing.
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the kawaiiest posted:You will find better female characters in children's anime like Ojamajo Doremi than in most of the stuff that's intended for an older audience. It's really ridiculous. That's because kids' anime are for a wide audience, while older-targeting anime are only for hardcore otaku. Japanese otaku are mostly male, with the exception of fujoshi (yaoi fangirls.) Western perception of anime is somewhat skewed because we mostly get otaku-centric anime, along with some of the major shounen series. Shows aimed at girls or very young children aren't licensed. And we'll never see the likes of domestic comedies Sazae-san or Chibi Mariko-chan, which have been the top rated anime in Japan for decades.
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MagicalDuck posted:That's because kids' anime are for a wide audience, while older-targeting anime are only for hardcore otaku. Japanese otaku are mostly male, with the exception of fujoshi (yaoi fangirls.) Seconded. Classics like Chibi Maruko and Doraemon are nothing short of loving awesome despite being somewhat dated. On that note, I think we can all agree that Japanese otaku culture ruined anime by way of creating ridiculous demands for the cartoon equivalent of exploitation films and merchandises.
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MagicalDuck posted:And we'll never see the likes of domestic comedies Sazae-san or Chibi Mariko-chan, which have been the top rated anime in Japan for decades.  it's Chibi Maruko-chan. And yes, it is great. Another really great anime for kids is Denno Coil, which will also probably never make it here.We'll never see the good stuff that's for older audiences either, though, like Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 which I think I've mentioned here before. But at least we get Ghibli films and we got Tekkon Kinkreet too.  e: my inner child loves Ojamajo Doremi, which is for 8 year old girls or something. God it's so cute.
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Tokyo Magnitude 8.0, Denno Coil are both great. There is a lot of really great anime and manga, its a shame it'll never be brought state-side under normal circumstances :/
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the kawaiiest posted:e: my inner child loves Ojamajo Doremi, which is for 8 year old girls or something. God it's so cute. I posted about this earlier but I think the phone app ate my post or something. I agree with you on this one. I watched about a year worth of it a long time ago when I was living in Japan and it was on tv, but it was probably the only magical girl anime tv show that I can think of that a: didn't in some way creepily sexualize little girls AT ALL and b: had rather rich, solid characterization far better than you'd think it would have being some random kid's show. It's genuinely heartwarming in places and one of the few anime shows I really wouldn't hesitate to show a little kid.
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hallo spacedog posted:I posted about this earlier but I think the phone app ate my post or something. I agree with you on this one. I watched about a year worth of it a long time ago when I was living in Japan and it was on tv, but it was probably the only magical girl anime tv show that I can think of that a: didn't in some way creepily sexualize little girls AT ALL and b: had rather rich, solid characterization far better than you'd think it would have being some random kid's show. It's genuinely heartwarming in places and one of the few anime shows I really wouldn't hesitate to show a little kid.  ) and honest to God hilarity and everything in between. I've seen the whole thing (250+ episodes I think) and all the movies, too. No regrets.
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the kawaiiest posted:e: my inner child loves Ojamajo Doremi, which is for 8 year old girls or something. God it's so cute. Doremi is my absolute favorite anime; at one point I was completely obsessed with it. I imported the R2 DVDs, including pre-orders for all of Naisho. I bought a ton of other merchandise like CDs, artbooks, capsule toys, and the entire line of American toys. Cosplayed as Dokaa~n! version of Hazuki one year at SakuraCon. And I made AMVs, lots of AMVs... I think I might have been a bit scary. 
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hallo spacedog posted:I posted about this earlier but I think the phone app ate my post or something. I agree with you on this one. I watched about a year worth of it a long time ago when I was living in Japan and it was on tv, but it was probably the only magical girl anime tv show that I can think of that a: didn't in some way creepily sexualize little girls AT ALL and b: had rather rich, solid characterization far better than you'd think it would have being some random kid's show. It's genuinely heartwarming in places and one of the few anime shows I really wouldn't hesitate to show a little kid. Madoka Magica definately qualifies for b, but it's not a kids show at all. Still, I was really surprised by how reasonable and interesting the characters were in comparison to how silly and spastic all the anime characters I've seen before have been. It ALMOSTS qualifies for a. ALMOSTS. First off, the theme song has some really bizarre imagery that has loving nothing to do with anything because they were trying to troll otakus into thinking it was a normal magical girl show and not a strange parable about the nature of how the first world exploits the rest of the world for convenience and other nice things. There's a part at the very end that could be seen as a, but arguing about it would derail the thread and spoil the most surprising thing that happened - though it seems to be from the animators interpreting something very strange the writer put in the script. of course it has an incredibly creepy fanbase that misses everything interesting you could read from it in favor of shipping and worse It definitely qualifies as my ~*favorite anime*~, but how could I ask someone in real life to watch a 3-hour anime that involves depressing themes and, oh, it's about 14 year old girls.
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MagicalDuck posted:Doremi is my absolute favorite anime; at one point I was completely obsessed with it. I imported the R2 DVDs, including pre-orders for all of Naisho. I bought a ton of other merchandise like CDs, artbooks, capsule toys, and the entire line of American toys. Cosplayed as Dokaa~n! version of Hazuki one year at SakuraCon. And I made AMVs, lots of AMVs... Yonic Symbolism posted:Madoka Magica definately qualifies for b, but it's not a kids show at all.
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the kawaiiest posted:Oh my God you actually own the DVDs? Not all of them, unfortunately. I have Volumes 1-4 of the first series, the Motto and Dokkaan boxsets, and first pressings of all 7 Naisho volumes. I've also got the movies on VHS (but no VCR anymore. )quote:Do you still have them? If you ever want to part with them please, please let me know. I couldn't afford them when they first came out and I've been unable to find them since. They're sitting on my shelf as we speak. And I have no plans of ever parting with my Doremi DVDs (unless the show gets a Blu-ray remaster.)
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MagicalDuck posted:They're sitting on my shelf as we speak. And I have no plans of ever parting with my Doremi DVDs (unless the show gets a Blu-ray remaster.) It's strangely comforting to know that I'm not the only one who really loves this show. Do you know if there will be a Blu-ray release? Considering how successful it is in Japan, I'd think there would be one, but I haven't heard anything about it. e: posting this for no good reason  Nothing will ever top baby Hana. Nothing.
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Hey, I just finished watching Ojamajo Doremi Sharp.  Man, I love that series, it is adorable, sweet, actually funny and able to make me cry. I'm glad this is the kind of stuff kids in Japan watch! EDIT: also, check your pms, because I really would like to talk about Doremi with another fan but I don't want to derail the thread any further than it has been.
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You know, I like anime. And I could mention plenty of shows that don't objectify little girls. But ya'll really need to stop talk about anime, and get back on topic of weirdos married to animes. Speaking of which, whatever happened to Uglynoodles? She hasn't posted in awhile. Sir Prancelot posted:Ask Me About the 450 Pound Reborn Na'vi Who Fell in Love with Me Also, I'd love to hear the rest of this. Unless you don't want to post more about it?
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