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Knit socks last me forever, edge ones have sucked. I dunno. I skate about 3x a week. With my new skates I use the skateguards that came with them and put them in a separate pouch so maybe that'll help with the wear on edge socks if I ever get them again
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Before buying edge socks I had zero goals this season, and since buying them I still have zero goals. I consider them a bust.
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Feb 16, 2012 20:46
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Doctor Butts posted:Do you guys recommend velcro or old school garter?
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Gio posted:Get a pair of compression shorts. They'll cost a bit more but are worth the money. What's the benefit?
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Thufir posted:What's the benefit? "Everyone else is doing it!" The marketing speak suggests that compression shorts improve performance though I don't see how it's possible. Theory seems to be it keeps the muscles from cooling down or maybe it's magic. Realistically, I think all they do is help prevent chafing and sweat control. And they show off your rear end which is probably why athletes like them, they're all a bunch of showboaters. 
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xzzy posted:"Everyone else is doing it!" I like 'em because it keeps my business in place instead of flopping around. Plus the chafe prevention is loving magic.
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I've used garters and the meshy itech shorts, and both had short lifespans whereas the compression shorts I got have lasted me a long while and don't really show signs of wear. Garters tend to break fast and the meshy itech shorts suck since (a) the velcro sticks to the shorts themselves so they become a tangled mess and (b) the stiching on the velcro patches frays easily. Compression shorts are overall more comfortable, too.
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I find it more comfortable to play with the compression shorts. They don't bunch up and get all weird. Plus if it's got the moisture wicking stuff it's like ac for your balls.
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xzzy posted:"Everyone else is doing it!"
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Awesome Animals posted:The one I have from high school has a kevlar cup. Bulletproof baby! Good enough to gently caress your mother! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7P6tYRzxI As for jockchat, the yellow meshy iTech ones suck. The cup part rips in the washing machine. The compression shorts stand up though. Not to mention the keeping all the goods in place part. Henrik Zetterberg fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Feb 16, 2012 |
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Compression shorts look pretty rad. I have some mesh I-Tech shorts from a few years back that have just lost one of it's garter hooks. I would love to have some of those fancy sock suspension systems involving velcro and not pushing plastic circle into a metal clip with your sock in the middle - attached to elastic, no less.
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xzzy posted:"Everyone else is doing it!" Interesting...
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lol at you dudes and your ~vulnerable external reproductive organs~ On the socks topic I tear through the cotton ones like you wouldn't believe, but seriously the RBK ones have been awesome - there are a couple of worn areas and such but have lasted me much longer than any cotton ones I have except for the really really thick tie-dyed ones that one of my travel teams made when I was a kid.
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We have a game outside today at 6:45pm. It's pretty sweet to wrap hockey an hour before our games usually begin.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Good enough to gently caress your mother! I wish I would have remembered that scene when I made that comment!!! Dammit! And yea, my compression shorts are 8 years old. Still great.
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Took a puck off my cage at a lunchtime pickup today. Would have caught me right in the nose/upper lip and maybe removed some teeth if I didn't have it. That would have been fun to try and explain to the boss... Also, my cousin texted this to me: 
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Zamboni_Rodeo posted:Took a puck off my cage at a lunchtime pickup today. Would have caught me right in the nose/upper lip and maybe removed some teeth if I didn't have it. That would have been fun to try and explain to the boss... drat near the same thing happened to me an hour ago. Doofus winding up slapshots from the point while I skate in to pressure.. shot goes wild on him and it pops me right in the kisser. Wasn't a very hard shot, but it made my ears ring and everyone on the ice was "  YOU OKAY???" I think the guy felt bad because he went straight to the bench and we never saw another slap shot out of him.Cage use: justified. 
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Pfft, concussions. You can shake those off and get back to playing, but teeth don't grow back! 
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sellouts posted:Thank god you didn't get concussed from wearing that cage, you were very lucky Concussion? Cage? Huh?
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Gio posted:He's joking. Someone posted awhile back that cages increase the likelihood of concussions which is why he doesn't wear a cage, or something along those lines.  Ok, thought you guys were going insane or something.
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Gio posted:He's joking. Someone posted awhile back that cages increase the likelihood of concussions which is why he doesn't wear a cage, or something along those lines. Not really. The injury differential is negligible to me. I just repeated what a report stated. I switched because of the vision advantage. The other night a guy submarined me and his teammate with a cage sucker punched me while I was on the ground and now I have a slight bruise on my lip. When will I ever learn that my reckless attitude to safety may lead to slight bruising. Score one round for Team Cage.
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Ugh. I'm getting old. Here's the sequence: Went to lunch league => got dressed => skated onto the ice => dropped off my sticks => turned and grabbed a puck => took a slap-shot => pulled an oblique. Note to self: always take a few laps and stretch some first.
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I've never pulled anything, and the more stories I hear about the pain and recovery times, the more paranoid I get about my warmups. I'm the last guy to pick up a puck during warmups, and my gym time is twice as long because I try to flex out every muscle.. both pre and post workout. 
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bigmike posted:Not really. The injury differential is negligible to me. I just repeated what a report stated. I switched because of the vision advantage. I don't understand what any of your second paragraph means or how it relates to cages but can I please see this report? Also not sure how a visor + mouthguard solution would have stopped either of the injuries that were saved by cages from the last page, but glad you've got it figured out.
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Most cage users don't use mouthguards and mouthguards are good at taking some of the impact to the head thus preventing concussions. Therefore, mouthguard + cage combination is the ultimate protection.
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sellouts posted:I don't understand what any of your second paragraph means or how it relates to cages but can I please see this report? To summarize what was already posted in this thread, it was a report/study I read online over 6 years ago when I was deciding if I should make the switch from a cage to visor+mouthguard. It talked about how laceration incidents went to zero and how concussion incidents increased by a small number around 3-5%. Unfortunately I wasn't aware of the great cage debate I would have six years in the future and didn't save evidence of these highly controversial findings. My referencing this has also been interpreted as me claiming that even the act of putting on a cage gives you concussions 100% of the time, every time. quote:Also not sure how a visor + mouthguard solution would have stopped either of the injuries that were saved by cages from the last page, but glad you've got it figured out. Exactly what injuries are these? Guys get hit in the cage with a stick or a puck and they think "Oh man, good thing I had a cage on." There are over 1200 NHL games played every year at NHL velocities and yet where is the laundry list of broken noses and blinded eyes from guys that wear visors and mouthguards? Every injury you see are from guys that don't wear shields. Zamboni_Rodeo's shot would probably have hit the bottom of a visor, as most visors come down below where your nose is. xzzy's shot might have busted a lip and it would bleed for a few minutes and be sore for a couple of days. Mouthguard companies include $25,000 dental insurance. That's how confident they are that they protect your teeth. They don't need to do this. No other piece of equipment offers any such insurance. The only visor injury I can find is Stamkos in Game 7 last year vs. the Bruins. http://aol.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2011-05-27/stamkos-leaves-game-7-after-taking-puck-to-the-face This is about the worst case scenario. He takes a point blank slapshot that's coming low and deflects upward toward his face. He missed 4:20 of the game before returning to play. Do you face many NHL quality slapshots in your games? I've worn a cage for around 10 years and a visor for over 6. I've taken pucks, sticks and punches to the face with both forms of protection. I've never even had a close call with having a nose, eye, tooth or jaw injured. Never seen a teammate or opponent wearing a visor have one. I've had some cuts, I've had some bruised lips and some sore jaws. These injuries pale to various other hockey injuries I've experienced and seen happen to teammates. Dislocated shoulders, broken arms, broken legs, torn MCL/ACLs, concussions, broken clavicles, torn muscles, broken wrists, fingers, toes and ribs. Hockey is a dangerous game that involves risk. I'm not saying that just because you can break a leg, who cares about your face. I'm saying that the risk of any serious facial injury is miniscule, especially compared with the other injuries you will eventually face. I've never said cages don't work. They do. And if you feel that a security blanket keeps you extra safe, I have no problem with that at all. I don't call guys with cages pussies and it doesn't bother me one way or the other who wears them. My point is that visor and mouthguards work. They give you more protection than you need and your eyes, nose and teeth will be safe. You might get a little boo-boo once every couple of years and you might even need to put a band-aid over your cut, but you'll be fine. Try getting hit with a puck or a stick in face. It's not as bad as you think it is. I'm curious to see out of all the guys that have worn both for at least a year, how many went back to cages because the visor wasn't safe enough. Also, do you guys wear any kind of neck protection? Because you might die. Moving on, I'm really enjoying my first season playing forward. I've been learning a ton about being a goal scorer and the feeling is addictive. It feels like a hunger you can't quench. I've had games where I've scored 5 goals and all I can think about are the ones I missed. I think this will also help me understand my forwards a little better when I move back to D in the summer. Also, for any intermediate or advanced players, over the past year I've taken strength training pretty seriously and increasing raw strength has by far been the most beneficial thing I've ever done for my game. I'm playing in a division I've played in for the past 8 years and over the past season I'm absolutely dominating guys that I've always been on par with. Everything about the game has become easier. I've been doing Starting Strength with a lot of crossfit-type exercises on top and seeing all that work in the gym pay off in game is one of the most rewarding things ever.
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It helps because I'm tall, but I havent worn a cage since I turned 19. The first 3 or 4 years were with a visor, I'm 26 now. Only had one facial injury during that time, which was slamming my face into the ice and then the boards about 2 years ago, in which I got a cut lip and my already damaged front tooth got pushed back a tiny bit. I've never had a close call that made me say "woah maybe I should wear a cage". I wouldn't recommend it for a beginner or a weak player, but for someone who understands the game and always knows whats going on, all but the biggest of freak occurrences will cause any major damage. By knows whats going on, is keeping an eye on the puck, knowing where everyone else on the ice is, and making adjustments. Guy on the point taking a slap shot at you? Put your hand up, tilt your head down a bit. Same with sticks coming at you.
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Hockey Monkey is having a sale of 15% off most items all weekend long. So uh, be dialin' people. http://www.hockeymonkey.com/
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shyguy posted:Hockey Monkey is having a sale of 15% off most items all weekend long. So uh, be dialin' people. Wish they had some of the synergy sts in stock with the sakic blade. 
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Okay, that's it. I'm pulling the trigger. I'm getting a new pair of gloves today. Recap: Warrior Bully gloves blow. Had 'em for almost a year, I think, and the stitching on the palms is already frayed considerably. As in, it looks like I will have no palm eventually. What I want is a glove that will last. Everybody is all about Eagle these days. Everyone here and everyone I've talked to playing says Eagle is well worth the cash. So I'm going to get a pair of Eagles since Hockey Monkey has a sale on everything. QUESTION: What the hell is the difference between http://www.hockeymonkey.com/eagle-hockey-gloves-pro-preferred-tufftek.html and http://www.hockeymonkey.com/eagle-hockey-gloves-x89-tufftek-sr.html ??? Are the latter worth the added price, or no? Is there another pair of Eagles I should be looking at (link)? Gio fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Feb 18, 2012 |
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Gio posted:Okay, that's it. I'm pulling the trigger. I'm getting a new pair of gloves today. I don't know but I'd get the second ones in white
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bigmike posted:To summarize what was already posted in this thread, it was a report/study I read online over 6 years ago when I was deciding if I should make the switch from a cage to visor+mouthguard. It talked about how laceration incidents went to zero and how concussion incidents increased by a small number around 3-5%. Unfortunately I wasn't aware of the great cage debate I would have six years in the future and didn't save evidence of these highly controversial findings. My referencing this has also been interpreted as me claiming that even the act of putting on a cage gives you concussions 100% of the time, every time. If it's from 6 years ago and you can't find it, I'd stop bringing it up. It sounds like you're making it up. My point of contention is that it raises concussions by any %, not 100%. Your lack of any sort of scientific evidence to support your argument and the fact you keep taking my troll bait about it is why I keep bringing it up. In fact, here's a study that says by wearing a full face shield you reduce time lost to a concussion when directly compared to a half shield. Link. Different argument than concussion/no concussion but further evidence that they can only help. The most common injury I see in any of my leagues is accidental lacerations to the face and lower jaw. People bleeding like stuck pigs. We don't play in the NHL and that's exactly the point. Guys are careless with sticks, they're slower to get out of the way, etc. A deflected slapshot at 60mph that hits you in the chin or nose is going to do damage much like a 95mph NHL slapshot will. That poo poo happens and it happens more frequently because NHL players know when to better take a shot that has more chance of hitting the net. DC brings up a good point, he is a tall skater and has less to worry about when it comes to errant anythings hitting him in the jaw. That's another benefit that NHL players have, their faces are usually further above the net and where people are shooting. Having skated with him I also wouldn't want to gently caress with him so I'm probably a little more careful around him anyways. I'm kidding. The point with the shields is this, even with dental insurance from a mouthguard (which is 25-30k is amortized across every tooth, making the claims be about 900 per tooth damaged, and if you've had to have a tooth replaced you probably know it can easily cost more than that), there is a markedly increased risk of injury between a cage and a visor/mouthguard. Mouthguards have insurance because it's one of the most easily damaged part of your body they know that they can't guard teeth 100% and the odds of someone filing a full claim on that (or even knowing that they have insurance from it) are small enough to offer it. That's a business decision. You're free to do whatever you want, I don't think you're wrong for your choices, however I think your evidence is suspect and you're somewhat unfairly minimizing the increase of risk by skating with half of your face open, especially to a bunch of beer leaguers, most of which have not played any level of competitive ice hockey. And I actually did wear neck protection at the pond hockey tournament, but mostly that was to keep my neck warm and to keep it from getting windburned 
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Gio posted:QUESTION: What the hell is the difference between It looks like the first link is from 2009 and just isn't in stock in as many options. I'd consider them basically the same glove only with the usual 2 year "product improvements" marketing junk. I've heard the MSH2 palm is pretty great though. When my seasons end I'm going to send my H34 Eagles in to get re-palmed with that, I think. Edit: Actually I'd look at the X95s. They're the flagship Eagle gloves. Differences between them and the PPF/PPF+/PPFi include a difference in the rolls at the top of the glove (X95 4th roll is 3 fingers wide, index finger has more mobility) and the PPF's come in 3 different sizes, 13", 14", 14.5" whereas X95 is just 14.5" I think. Also the cuffs are a little different I think. Also your second glove has standard rolls, the PPF gloves have angled back rolls "for anatomically correct fit". (I don't think any of this matters) sellouts fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Feb 18, 2012 |
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sellouts posted:If it's from 6 years ago and you can't find it, I'd stop bringing it up. It sounds like you're making it up. My point of contention is that it raises concussions by any %, not 100%. Your lack of any sort of scientific evidence to support your argument and the fact you keep taking my troll bait about it is why I keep bringing it up. I didn't bring it up, you specifically asked about it after someone referenced a prior discussion about it. I brought it up one time and as I've mentioned, I don't even really care about the findings. I haven't advocated visors as a method for reducing concussions. I stated findings, that I recalled reading and I have no problem standing behind my memory of those. You disagree and have cited reports of a contradictory study, that's fine with me too. My choice to wear a visor doesn't depend on its increased or decreased protection from concussions. I'm more than comfortable taking on the slight risk of laceration (twice in six years, playing 2-3 teams, both summer and winter seasons) for the major improvements in vision. If anything my concussion rate has significantly been reduced by the fact that I don't get randomly punched in the face and told "take off the loving cage you loving pussy" anymore. I'm not sure if our studies account for that or not. quote:In fact, here's a study that says by wearing a full face shield you reduce time lost to a concussion when directly compared to a half shield. Link. Different argument than concussion/no concussion but further evidence that they can only help. It's perfectly possible that both studies are true. Incidents may be increased slightly, while severity goes down. When you wear a cage your overall head target is increased. There have been many occasions where a puck or stick comes close to my face and just barely misses, but for sure would have hit me if I had a cage on. Since I can't provide a link to my University degree in science (it too, was from about 6 years ago), I'll just say: Now I'm no scientist so I can't verify that at all, but having a cage that's twice the size of a visor could possibly explain an increase of 3-5% of contacts to the head. Since you seem more interested in this debate (appreciate your extensive background research), I'll leave it to you to verify or refute my hypothesis. quote:The most common injury I see in any of my leagues is accidental lacerations to the face and lower jaw. People bleeding like stuck pigs. We don't play in the NHL and that's exactly the point. Guys are careless with sticks, they're slower to get out of the way, etc. A deflected slapshot at 60mph that hits you in the chin or nose is going to do damage much like a 95mph NHL slapshot will. That poo poo happens and it happens more frequently because NHL players know when to better take a shot that has more chance of hitting the net. Earlier I made the point that in a culture of cages, players have less incentive to protect themselves or to be more careful with their sticks and shots. I don't wear a cage. While strangely you took the point that taller = further away from the action, DC actually made a much better point that you missed. Players with visors learn to protect themselves. We cover our faces, tuck our chins, and read plays better. In a culture of cages, you don't learn this, because you don't necessarily have to. I don't want to high stick guys in the face. When I do, I feel bad, so I learn to have better control of my stick. In a league where everyone wears cages, the level of recklessness is probably increased dramatically. quote:The point with the shields is this, even with dental insurance from a mouthguard (which is 25-30k is amortized across every tooth, making the claims be about 900 per tooth damaged, and if you've had to have a tooth replaced you probably know it can easily cost more than that), there is a markedly increased risk of injury between a cage and a visor/mouthguard. Mouthguards have insurance because it's one of the most easily damaged part of your body they know that they can't guard teeth 100% and the odds of someone filing a full claim on that (or even knowing that they have insurance from it) are small enough to offer it. That's a business decision. No there isn't. It sounds like you're making that up. What is this markedly increased risk you speak of? A cut once every couple of years? Okay. A fat lip once in a while? Sure. I still haven't seen any sound reasoning or proof that a visor+mouthguard results in a dramatic increase of risk for a serious injury. It doesn't happen in the NHL, but let me guess, its because they're all so tall. And your logic that mouthguard companies give away insurance because their products are so terrible is laughable. Next you're going to tell me that my pet elephant will be safe with an ivory dealer because he's less likely to kill him than an ivory dealer who's ivory supplies are low. quote:You're free to do whatever you want, I don't think you're wrong for your choices, however I think your evidence is suspect and you're somewhat unfairly minimizing the increase of risk by skating with half of your face open, especially to a bunch of beer leaguers, most of which have not played any level of competitive ice hockey. Admittedly you're probably correct here. I split my time between Div 1 and Div 2/3 hockey. I play against National team players, collegiate players, and sometimes the occasional NHL or AHL player. Most guys have played some form of competitive club or junior hockey. I'm probably unfairly assessing the risk involved with playing beginner hockey. I still do think that if less guys wore cages, those players would learn to be more responsible with their sticks. To me it seems like the guys that wear cages are often the most reckless (sorry, no online study to back this up). I think a little fear of getting hit in the face is a great incentive to learn how to read plays better. It's sad to think, but if that 16 year old player who died from a puck to the neck was worried about getting a puck to the face, he probably would have protected his upper body better (he died while sliding to block a shot). quote:the fact you keep taking my troll bait Well I'm sure we've all enjoyed the fact that you're purposely trying to poo poo up a really helpful and productive thread. I'll try my best in the future to resist the urge. I do actually really like this thread and have learned a lot from the people who contribute. I'm (or used to be) a terrible goal scorer and I have 54 goals in 24 games for my Div 3 team this year destroying my career highs. Nearly all of my goals were tactics and strategies I've learned that were talked about in this thread. Somebody posted a YouTube video about pulling your wrist shot inside at the last second to change the angle. This works so often its almost unfair. bigmike fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Feb 19, 2012 |
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shyguy posted:Hockey Monkey is having a sale of 15% off most items all weekend long. So uh, be dialin' people. I'm so tempted to drop down a poo poo load of money on stuff but I need money for school aghh why can't it be summer if it was summer I'd be all loving over this
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bigmike posted:I don't even really care about the findings. You sure post a lot of words about it for someone who doesn't care.
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bigmike posted:If anything my concussion rate has significantly been reduced by the fact that I don't get randomly punched in the face and told "take off the loving cage you loving pussy" anymore. I'm not sure if our studies account for that or not. Didn't you just say you got submarined and subsequently punched in the face anyways? They always seem to find a way, wearing a cage or not... Anyways bigmike, you're set in your beliefs and that's cool. You seem like a legit player who has been playing the game a while. I think your memory is funny but you're p. serious about this so I'll let it go. I won't make any more jokes alluding to this silly argument anymore so you won't have to vigorously defend your google-proof memory. You bring up an interesting thing though -- do other players feel guilty when they do obviously terrible poo poo accidentally? It's reassuring you do, I thought I was the only one. Hell most of the time I'm making sure people are ok even if it's their own stupidity that caused them to skate with their head down or do whatever that caused them to go down hard. Just seems like most players don't give a gently caress about anyone, at least in the leagues I'm currently playing in. And the point you made about the single biggest improvement to your game being increasing your strength is very true. You mention crossfit specifically, did you join a crossfit gym or are you doing tabata style interval training with standard weight training at your gym? What are some workouts you are doing -- I am doing mostly body weight crossfit based work outs and while they're better than nothing I'd love to see what others are doing.
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shyguy posted:Hockey Monkey is having a sale of 15% off most items all weekend long. So uh, be dialin' people. So is HockeyGiant, if that's your place of choice. Code is: PRESIDENT15 Offer doesn't apply to minimum advertised price items that they can't discount online or whatever, which appears to be almost everything sellouts fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Feb 19, 2012 |
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