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LeftistMuslimObama posted:Is there anything wrong with using the underhook/shrimping to get my knees under me and start to try to work for a single leg to reverse the position? I like avoid being on my back if at all possible, even full guard, so this is what I usually try to do. If I'm lucky/have better endurance than them I can usually either reverse them to their back, or I can get my feet under me and back out. I'm wondering if there's anything that people who aren't other white belts are going to nail me with that makes this a bad idea. No. Attacking the single leg from half guard is one of the most common attacks from half guard. My half guard bottom game consists almost entirely of comboing the single leg with the Lucas Leite half guard sweep.
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Undeclared Eggplant posted:Thanks, this is perfect, to have just a couple things to work on. I see one of those is not bridge and roll to the side with the trapped leg, which is what I kept trying (and it didn't work at all). This can work, but is probably the lowest percentage of the basic options; it's difficult to keep them from posting and usually only works on anyone experienced if they've overcommited to driving forward into you. Which certainly happens, so don't rule it out as an option, but it's not really something that I would consider a go-to. EDIT: the Lucas Leite sweep above is essentially a more complicated version of the bridge-and-roll-over-the-trapped-leg, and you can see what I'm talking about - his opponent is driving into him fairly hard to stop him from coming up for the single, which opens up the sweep. fatherdog fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Feb 16, 2012 |
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Relson would tell you to go to sleep. It really helped my game to focus on relaxing when I'm under side control or half guard. You can defend a lot better and it is easier to get in position for sweeps and transitions.
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Undeclared Eggplant posted:White belt BJJ question: Anyone have any beginner tips from half guard on the bottom? I have gotten fairly good at catching a leg when people open my guard and pass, but can't seem to do much from there except hold out until I get to tired to stop them from mounting/passing. I'd love to be able to do a sweep from there, but can't find anything. Here are some of my tips for a good basic bottom half guard. The keys to a good half guard: * Your legs should be locked above your opponent's knee on the thigh. It should not be locked on his calf. This gives you better control (Much of half guard passing requires your opponent to pull his knee free first.) * Do NOT get flattened out. Your opponent will generally want to flatten you in order to pass. Most commonly your opponent will do this by using the arm on his free leg side and sliding it under your head to crossface you with his shoulder and by underhooking your outside arm with his trapped leg side arm. Prevent this by bringin your crossface side elbow into you side and using your hand to grip his crossface arm bicep and keep it pushed away. Now get onto your side on your inside hip/cross face side hip. * Get the underhook on the trapped arm side. Pummel in your arm elbow first (not hand first!) to get under opponent's underhook and turn it into you underhook. Don't get a pathetic shallow underhook. Drive your arm deep in so that your shoulder is under his armpit. You can use 2 common approaches here - 1) reach across opponent's back and get the far hip grip OR 2) turn your hand so that your pinky is pointed toward the ceiling and drive the arm up in the direction of opponent's head to push him forward * Get the proper leg hook! If opponent has the trapped leg side underhook, you need to have your inside leg hooking over the trapped leg. If you have the trapped leg side underhook instead, then you need to have you outside leg hooked over opponent's trapped leg. If you have the underhook and the outside leg hook then use your outside hook to drag opponent's leg outward aggressively. * Now slide your bicep post arm back behind you on the mat to prop up your upper body and keep your head in tight to opponent's chest Now you have proper conventional half guard position. (You can return to full guard from here by keep your outside leg hook and pulling your inside leg knee to your chest and swinging it around opponent to regain full guard) From this position, usually your opponent will deep overhook/whizzer your underhooking arm. If he does not, there is no reason why you can't simply come to your knees and take his back. If he does whizzer, you can still come to your knees but you will be side by side with your underhook and his overhook in the dogfight position. To come to your knees simply drive your underhook arm upwards in the direction of opponent's head to drive him forward and pull the outside leg hook outside. Slide your inside leg out from between opponent's legs by pulling the knee to you and keep it on the mat and post the sole of the foot onto the front of opponent's trapped leg knee to block his leg. Post your free hand out and lift your hips up off the mat and swing your inside leg back under you onto its knee. Now pummel your outside hook shin onto the back of opponent's near calf. You can retain the inside hook if you really want to swing your leg over to completely come onto his back but I prefer to come to my knees first as most people will have the whizzer and you do NOT want to try to take a back when your opponent has a whizzer locked on you. Defensively, you opponent will start to come off his knee and start leaning onto you with the weight of his whizzer. One approach here is to race him to a throw. whoever brings bring their near knee across the front of their opponent's knees first will have the advantage in throwing. An alternative is to use your opponent's weight to do an outside roll. Use your posted hand to grip the outside/hamstring of opponent's near/whizzer side leg then drop your head and leg grip side shoulder onto the mat under opponent's torso and use opponent's own force to roll through and sweep opponent onto his back for an "outside roll." Instead of coming to your knees you can also do a more traditional roll from the above conventional half guard position, by getting a grip on the far hip across the back with your underhook arm then underhooking opponent's free leg with your free arm. Remember to drag the trapped leg outward with your outside leg. Now bridge to get your opponent's weight forward onto you and roll to the trapped leg side for the inside roll. Expect you opponent to post out his underhooked arm to defend the sweep. Now this roll and getting to your knees work together. As you sweep your opponent will post out an arm letting go of the whizzer as soon as his hand hits the mat reverse directions and swing out onto your knees to take his back before he can relock the whizzer. Go back and forth from sweep to knees aggressively and repeatedly and you can usually at least come out to you knees without a whizzer on you. Alternatively, you could go for a single and stand into a single but I usually don't. One tip for getting that underhook on your opponent, Use your inside leg to hook opponents trapped leg and bring your outside leg knee diagonally across opponent's chest for a "shield" half guard (I think some people call it z guard). Glue your elbow to your knee and kick your leg down and away to create space and allow you to pummel in your elbow. Yuns fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Feb 17, 2012 |
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I think nog does that sweep from half guard in his fight against tim sylvia. I've used it in competition but it took along time to get it working, and its not something I've been going for recently (my training partners must of figured it out). I think fatherdog's advice is the best. There is one thing I've been having alot of luck with and its sliding my knee on to their hip like a very shallow z-guard. I find it keeps their weight off me and I can start attacking or very easily reclaim guard.
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Be careful of the shallow Z. If your opponent drops his shoulder onto your top leg and hugs your legs together and sprawls he may be able to pass.
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Yuns posted:* Get the underhook on the trapped arm side. Pummel in your arm elbow first (not hand first!) to get under opponent's underhook and turn it into you underhook. Don't get a pathetic shallow underhook. Drive your arm deep in so that your shoulder is under his armpit. You can use 2 common approaches here - 1) reach across opponent's back and get the far hip grip OR 2) turn your hand so that your pinky is pointed toward the ceiling and drive the arm up in the direction of opponent's head to push him forward I personally prefer 2) - I usually try to hook my hand over his trapezius. I find this really limits the degree that guys can wizzer you. Excellent post, by the way.
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Thanks. I'm trying to get into teaching and coaching. Obviously I'm underqualified to teach at the academy given that every instructor is pretty much world class but I'd like to start assistant teaching if I can ever make any time.
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Yuns posted:Thanks. I'm trying to get into teaching and coaching. Obviously I'm underqualified to teach at the academy given that every instructor is pretty much world class but I'd like to start assistant teaching if I can ever make any time. That was a really good post, Yuns. I'm gonna try to see if I can't apply some of the things you mention in the post, because my half guard isn't anywhere near as efficient as it should be- although this could be because I generally just use it to get back into full guard instead of sweeping from there, which is definitely a huge flaw in my game. Actually, just seeing a huge celebral post like that gives me a serious inferiority complex. As I mentioned in the martial arts thread a little while back, come march I'm officially one of the instructors at my club, and I just don't have the.. words to walk anyone through a position like that. I think I need to sit down and actually think through my game and what I know, and how I can actually distill that into knowledge other people could benefit from, because right now most of what I do is just things I do, and I don't really have a language for it. I have a little group of students in the club that generally come to me for advice, and I can usually give it to them, but sometimes it makes me feel like a fraud*, because I'm usually just repeating something an instructor has told me or something I've seen (qualified) people online say, and often not neccesarily something I actually do myself. *but not as big a fraud as my competition history makes me 
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Relson would tell you to go to sleep. It really helped my game to focus on relaxing when I'm under side control or half guard. You can defend a lot better and it is easier to get in position for sweeps and transitions. This is me from half. Go to sleep, lift the hips, take the back.
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Bohemian Nights posted:Teaching is just like all your other skills, you'll get better the more you do it. I help out teaching, I started years ago and now I have pretty much canned explanations that I have tweaked over and over. I'm not just pulling it off the top of my head when I explain shrimping or hip escaping, its all rehearsed and molded just like a physical technique. Just get out there, be patient with them and yourself and you'll be great. Xguard86 fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Feb 17, 2012 |
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A pretty fun video of two guys at my local gym rolling http://vimeo.com/36946859
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Nice vid tuna, I like how comfortable they are with standup/groundwork transitions. That did look like fun!
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lovely tuna snatch posted:A pretty fun video of two guys at my local gym rolling http://vimeo.com/36946859 Wow, that is a lot of mat space.
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I had the beginner's class yesterday and I had someone film the first technique I taught, because I've never actually seen myself teaching in third person. There's definitely some things I need to work on, but I'm happy that I don't have any "uhm"'s or such breaks, but on the other hand, I'd like to structure it a little bit better since it's more a stream of consciousness than I'd like, and about a minute longer than necessary. I do the technique a couple of times at full speed after the video as well, since I'm a fan of breaking it down into details first, then just showing the entire thing put together. I just need to break down the details in a more logical sequence. I suppose no-one but Dante will actually understand anything but "bork bork bork mount bork bork bork side control", but still, if you're up for four minutes of Norwegian insctruction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNkFShMKWI8 Bohemian Nights fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Feb 18, 2012 |
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Bohemian Nights posted:I had the beginner's class yesterday and I had someone film the first technique I taught, because I've never actually seen myself teaching in third person. There's definitely some things I need to work on, but I'm happy that I don't have any "uhm"'s or such breaks, but on the other hand, I'd like to structure it a little bit better since it's more a stream of consciousness than I'd like, and about a minute longer than necessary. I do the technique a couple of times at full speed after the video as well, since I'm a fan of breaking it down into details first, then just showing the entire thing put together. I just need to break down the details in a more logical sequence.
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lovely tuna snatch posted:Just out of curiosity, where do you train? We have an Estonian Greco-Roman wrestler training at a Norwegian club. Tromsø jujitsuklubb (club) in Tromsø!
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Although I can't understand Norwegian, it looked like you did a nice job. I can't give you a full critique of your teaching style because of the language barrier but I can give you some tips on teaching. First prepare before you teach. Decide what you want to teach your students. Try to develop a curriculum so that you are not simply teaching a collection of random techniques. Second, I use a structure similar to the following (I'm not quite explaining the same move as you but rather a classic hip escape from side control. I use a different move for very strong crossface pressure): A couple of sentences introducing the move and providing context like: A common situation you will find yourself in is side control. Usually a knowledgeable opponent will maintain control using his shoulder to maintain a strong cross-face to prevent you from turning into him to reestablish guard. I'm going to show you one of the most fundamental escapes from this position: the hip escape/elbow escape from side control. This is something you're going to have to keep drilling and using until you master it. Then explain the opponent's position: Your opponent has established a strong side control position. Perhaps he got here by passing your guard or by taking you down into side control. Your opponent has one arm under your head and is using his shoulder to apply pressure to your face to keep your head turned away. This prevents your from turning your head into him which is a critical component of many escapes from side control. In addition he establishes a far side underhook to keep you from using an underhook to turn onto your side. He also keeps his knee tight to your near hip and keeps his underhooking arm elbow tight against your far side to control your far hip. He keeps his weight over your chest. This position immobilizes your hips, flattens you out and prevents you from turning your head inward toward your opponent. Now give an overview of your response: Now you are going to escape by bridging and hip escaping away from your opponent then bringing your knee in to restore guard but to do this your going to have to create a frame to relieve the crossface pressure and to create the space necessary to hip escape Now explain the critical parts of establishing your initial position: You are going to have to create a frame with your forearms. One forearm will slide across the front of opponent's hip with the hand cupped against the side of his hip closer to your head. The second forearm will be across the front of his neck with the hand posted on the top of his crossfacing shoulder. To bring this second forearm across slide your hand between you under his chin. Do not try to bring the arm in across his face or you will leave that arm isolated arm vulnerable to attacks such as a simple Americana [AT THIS POINT DO THE WRONG THIS AND HAVE YOUR PARTNER DEMONSTRATE THE AMERICANA] The forearm across the neck will make it possible for you to create upward pressure which is more difficult to resist. Typically you will have your knee of your leg that is closer to your opponent's legs against his sole with the sole of your foot on top of your other knee in order to block your opponent from mounting. But to escape now you will have to plant both feet on the mat with your knees up. Now you will want your feet posted as close to your butt as possible. [SCOOT YOUR FEET IN TO SHOW YOUR STUDENTS] The strength of your bridge depends on how close you keep your feet to your butt. Now explain the move in detail providing the critical details: You'll push upward on your opponents hips and throat with your arms to relieve crossface pressure and and bridge strongly to your near shoulder. You will not be relying on your arm strength but rather your back and legs. After you bridge, hip escape away by dropping your hips away from your opponent in a strong hip escape away but keep your arms extended in the position they were in at the top of your bridge. Maintaining the frame allows space to develop under your opponent. This space will only be there very temporarily so act quickly. [EMPHASIZE COMMONLY MISSED CRITICAL DETAILS]Lift your leg that is closer to opponent's legs in the air and point the knee downwards into the pocket of his hip. [EXPLAIN WHY] If you just try to bring the knee in sliding it along the mat your opponent's knee will block your as he aggressively tries to close the gap to your near hip. Instead, by lifting the leg and angling the knee downward into the pocket of his hip. You avoid running into his leg and place your knee into a strong position to push him away. Now push your opponent away with your knee and extend your head and torso away from your opponent to bring you back in line with him. At the same time pummel in your hip post hand onto his crossface arm bicep to push it away. As more space develops, bring that lead leg in either to get a butterfly hook or all the away across to the other side. Now hip escape to the other side to establish the second butterfly hook or lock up full guard. Show the move again while explaining common mistakes, common reactions by your opponent and how to address the common reactions. 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Another solid post, thanks!!
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I used to use that exact format Yuns, but my guys were always so eager to get drilling that they'd skip question time, so I had to change things up a bit. Now I let them drill it once with minimal explanation while I observe, THEN get them together to discuss problems and solutions they came up with, add some further input from me on solutions and variations, and then drill it again. I like this method because it seems like the stuff sticks better if I can generate group discussion about it, and because I get to see who the 'naturals' are (there's always one guy who 'just gets it' and that's important to know for helping them put together a gameplan that works for them), and help guide people's problem solving methods at the same time. CivilDisobedience fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Feb 18, 2012 |
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Yuns posted:solid info on coaching
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Sure there are many different ways you can teach and mine is only an explanation of how I teach.
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Yuns posted:I've become something of a half guard specialist. Thanks, a lot of stuff to work on here, but I think it was starting to improve a little bit today. Not getting flattened out is the first challenge since that seems to happen so fast, so I'm trying to focus on preventing that for now.
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lovely tuna snatch posted:A pretty fun video of two guys at my local gym rolling http://vimeo.com/36946859
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New show up from the Budovideos guys called IBJJF TV. I was there at the Houston Open last weekend and it was pretty awesome, the high rank guys were pretty inspirational to watch that Sunday. I took silver in blue masters medio, I got the waiter sweep to win my first two matches, and got choked out in the final after a silly mistake. Here's the first episode from that weekend: http://online.budovideos.com/shows/ibjjftv/ibjjf-tv-episode-1-2012-houston-open/
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Yuns posted:~*~Amazing Tips on Instruction~*~ Excellent post! That's a lot of good tips in one post, and definitely some things to think about. Thanks for taking the time to write all that down! I'm happy to say I'm already doing quite a bit of the stuff you go through, but it's sweet to have it broken down like that. If I can and there's time, I try to add on some relevant sparring. For the escape from side control technique for example, I give people two or three quick rounds where they grapple for position starting from side control with proper shoulder pressure, so they get an idea of why they'd want a move that addresses this specifically- and it gives the student on top an opportunity to see how they'd have to hold someone to keep them down from that position- and I repeat this after the technique is done, encouraging them to try out the move (or I just do this part, skipping the pre-technique roll) Since we usually end our (two hour) classes with 20 or 30 minutes of grappling, I also like to quickly repeat the technique at the end of the class, to remind everyone what we were actually doing before they emptied the oxygen out of their brains. Bohemian Nights fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Feb 19, 2012 |
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I dislocated my shoulder rolling and got it popped back into place shortly after. I was wondering if that has happened to anyone else, and how long before they started grappling again?
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Devoz posted:I dislocated my shoulder rolling and got it popped back into place shortly after. I was wondering if that has happened to anyone else, and how long before they started grappling again? I used to get subluxations of the shoulder all the time when I was boxing. Check with your doctor to see if you have signs of something like a torn labrum before you get back on the mat. Shoulder stability is not something you want to take a chance on.
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Devoz posted:I dislocated my shoulder rolling and got it popped back into place shortly after. I was wondering if that has happened to anyone else, and how long before they started grappling again? For once I can talk with lots of experience about this. I dislocated my shoulder back last February, and went to Emerg. The new protocol is you're not supposed to just pop your own shoulder back in until they do x-rays before and after, so go to the doctor and get x-rays done. Next, talk to your doctor and you're gonna want to go to physio for once or twice to get an assessment. Its gonna be about 4 months before you can roll light, and 6 months before you can roll again if you want to do this correctly. Don't. loving. Be. Stupid. Seriously, I know there's this idea of "oh durr its just a popped shoulder, pop it in and roll bro" It doesn't work like that. I thought that too. I went back after 2 months, popped it again during practicing techniques, not even free rolling. Now Im hosed. I finally got my surgery last December, and Ill be fully healed in June. Thats over a year of waiting for surgery and recovery. I haven't done BJJ since the second time I popped it, and then I proceeded to pop it out two more times. Once I jumped into a pool cannonnball style, popped it out, the second time I took a nap with my arms above my head and it slid out. Seriously, the first dislocation can heal IF YOU GIVE IT TIME, but if you screw up even just once, you're hosed. Granted, Im in Canada so surgery wait times are long but still, the recovery is even longer and more hosed up if you pop it out again. Please please please, don't be dumb like me and go back. Wait at least 4 months with lots of rotator cuff strengthening, go see a physiotherapist.
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Julio Cesar Fatass posted:I used to get subluxations of the shoulder all the time when I was boxing. Check with your doctor to see if you have signs of something like a torn labrum before you get back on the mat. Shoulder stability is not something you want to take a chance on. Follow Swaggers advice to the letter. When he dislocated his shoulder the first time I remember telling him to take a lot of time off/see a physical therapist and follow their advice exactly because we had a guy in judo who popped it once... then a second time... then he popped it all the time and had lovely options like : stop judo for good and get surgery. Swagger went back anyway after 2 months and well, if you've read his post you know how the story went. Shoulders take a long time to heal and you need to respect a shoulder dislocation and give it all the time it needs. You can come back 100% from this if you take it seriously so don't be stupid. I know you've probably read that 10000 time before for other type of injuries and how you should take some off time now so you don't have to take more later. And then you went back anyway and you never had a problem. We probably all did this and while it's stupid, we usually get away with it. A shoulder dislocation is not one of those time where you can be tough and come back as soon as you feel like you're sort of ok. There's ~ 0% chance you can soldier through it and not get a second (and third, and fourth) dislocation and then end up with the worlds shittiest shoulder ever. KingColliwog fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Feb 21, 2012 |
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swagger like us posted:second time I took a nap with my arms above my head and it slid out Sup SLAP tear buddy?   If something is torn in there, your joint is only going to get worse without serious treatment.
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Thanks for the heads up. It has been a week, and I have avoided any significant use of the arm to let it heal. I had hoped/planned on taking at least a month off of grappling, boxing and muay thai. I guess I may be taking even longer than that to get back into the gym.
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Devoz posted:Thanks for the heads up. It has been a week, and I have avoided any significant use of the arm to let it heal. I had hoped/planned on taking at least a month off of grappling, boxing and muay thai. I guess I may be taking even longer than that to get back into the gym. Get physical therapy and let them decide when you can go back. They know their poo poo and will help that thing heal 10000x faster/better than it would normally.
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Budovideos put up a pretty cool Galvao highlight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlhck_yygpA&hd=1 The back-take at 1:15 is just infuriating in its casualness.
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fatherdog posted:Budovideos put up a pretty cool Galvao highlight - Good grief. With how little Andre's competed over the last few years I kind of forgot how awesome he is.
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I signed up for my first comp, 400 competitors, 59 of those in my weight/skill group, nogi beginners <168lbs. So stoked/nervous. Calf crushers forbidden in the rules unfortunately, I had been hitting them quite consistently in the gym. Gonna have to concentrate on takedowns and guard passing, we luckily don't have as many wrestlefuckers sandbagging as in the states I hope.
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