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Mr. Deathy posted:
93 screens, I guess it got kind of a limited release over there anyway?
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Beserk drinking game: Take a shot every time Caska gets her clothes ripped off. ...Oops you've died of alcohol poisoning.
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Feb 9, 2012 02:18
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^That doesn't occur that often. Also, at this rate, the manga will end in 10 years time.
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Feb 9, 2012 03:55
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Ulio posted:^That doesn't occur that often. It doesn't happen that often? What manga are you reading and what other manga are you comparing it to? Relatively speaking, it's happened shitloads across the manga. Also, no, at this rate it'll end in 20 years. Miura has conceded that he's willing to work on Berserk until his 60's if need be. 10 years would be if Miura now starts rushing to the end. A few years ago the story was considered "60-70% complete" by Miura. Now I think at best we could put it at closer to the 70% mark than 60%. Most of that 70% was written at a far faster pace than the current one and it still took 22 years to get this far. Therefore, as Miura works at less than half the pace he used to, it's natural to expect the remaining 30% could also take 20 years. I would consider a realistic end date for Berserk to be 2030. I don't see any reason to find that annoying or depressing either, as it means you get to have Berserk for most of your adult life. Yay. Mr. Deathy fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Feb 9, 2012 |
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Feb 9, 2012 04:28
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It definitely happens once every arc, some arcs more often than others but he said specifically Caska, he made it seem it happens every chapter which isn't the case.
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Feb 9, 2012 04:55
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Yo, missing the point, it's relative. Tell me if you feel that being raped or near-raped like 10-ish times throughout a storyline is common place in fiction, or if anything close to it is.
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Feb 9, 2012 06:19
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Awesome Welles posted:93 screens, I guess it got kind of a limited release over there anyway? 
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Feb 9, 2012 12:26
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I hope we get the same dubcast so we get more of Griffith's wonderful singing 
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Feb 9, 2012 13:37
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Guyver posted:Even in Japan most anime is really niche. Yeah I figured as much (I was thinking in terms of comparing it to standard movie releases). Interesting numbers though (a billion for Arrietty, holy poo poo), I'm far more interested in seeing how the Berserk movies do on DVD\Blu-ray there and internationally. Berserk is such an awesome property, I hope WB promotes it well overseas.
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Feb 9, 2012 23:05
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$500,000 seems like a pretty good opening box office, especially for a movie as bloody as Berserk. That puts it in the middle of those other anime movies, at 50 million yen. It'll probably make a bit more too in the next few weeks. Hopefully the other movies do equally well!
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Feb 10, 2012 04:37
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Guyver posted:For anime? Nah. The Gintama and Gundam 00 movies got around that many. Even in Japan most anime is really niche. Man, this is kind of depressing. The fact that Redline and Welcome to the Space Show did relatively poorly is a bummer. Hopefully the Berserk movie manages to pick up in ticket sales, but it doesn't look too good at this point. They'll probably recoup most of their costs in DVD/BR sales and merchandising, right? Also, Arrietty wasn't bad, but I definitely thought it was weaker than Spirited Away and Howl's Moving Castle. Where was this graphic from? I think it's be interesting to see how all the Ghibli movies compare.
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Feb 10, 2012 05:04
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I think it was originally from 4chan. When I remember it existed and looked for it I got it off a Crunchy Roll news article.
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Centzon Totochtin posted:Also, Arrietty wasn't bad, but I definitely thought it was weaker than Spirited Away and Howl's Moving Castle. Where was this graphic from? I think it's be interesting to see how all the Ghibli movies compare. Probably because it wasn't a Miyazaki film; he wrote it but that's all. It was a good film in its own right. It didn't have the abundance of oddball characters and overwhelming magical atmosphere that a Miyazaki film has, but it was still a good simple fable.
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Feb 10, 2012 19:32
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Ok, the hosts in this video are annoying as poo poo but this has a whole bunch of behind-the-scenes info and a crash course in Berserk, and it's entirely in english: (linked to the relevant start of the video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJo9HtK10oM&t=4m14s
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Feb 11, 2012 07:43
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So I edited this together yesterday, Hirasawa's Forces plus clips from the movie. http://youtu.be/owWxrmQWKvU
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Feb 17, 2012 18:40
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Nice trailer, had all the awesome moments in it, appropriate ending to it. Also, that Zodd scene looks epic. There is Berserk armor in Capcom's new game Dragon's Dogma.  . Would have liked to see The Berserk Armor rather than the Raider armor for Gutts.
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Yeah, the Berserker armor is better, but pretty much everyone recognizes the Raider armor whereas the Berserker armor is less iconic. Kinda makes sense that they'd go for that. Also  this movie looks amazing holy poo poo I need to see this so badly.
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Feb 19, 2012 10:29
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Awesome Welles posted:Ok, the hosts in this video are annoying as poo poo but this has a whole bunch of behind-the-scenes info and a crash course in Berserk, and it's entirely in english: Jesus Christ, that host is so painful to hear. So, so painful.
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Feb 19, 2012 12:28
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Elentor posted:Jesus Christ, that host is so painful to hear. So, so painful. I think we are exaggerating slightly. Anyway the vid is great, very informative on the production process. 12fps for the 3d though? How the gently caress could they think that was a good idea.
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Feb 19, 2012 13:33
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Mr. Deathy posted:I think we are exaggerating slightly. I'm not exaggerating, they all sounded horrible. The video is great, yes. 12 FPS for the 3D >IS< a great idea, not just a good one. You know how people complain how disconnect is the 3D from the 2D animation? It would be considerably worse if it was above 12FPS. Traditional animation is usually done at a rate of 12 FPS (which is what they were striving for), while 3D can be rendered in any frame rate, but one of the most common artifacts with the process of integrating the two of them is how obviously different 3D looks once you see it in 24 FPS compared to everything else. It doesn't mix. There are other issues added on top of that. Your mind will be filling the blanks for the traditional animation, but not for the 3D. The 3D animation is usually too smooth, and you can't make it perfect due to time constraints (specially for a trilogy released in the same year). When you scale it down to 12 FPS, things like micro camera shaking and high-frequency movements can be filled in by your brain. When you have a camera panning flawlessly in 24/30/60 FPS, it can't. Keep in mind this has nothing to do with frame rate debates (like people claiming 60 FPS is bad or looks unnatural). This is an issue of its own. Down-scaling the 3D frame rate to the traditional animation is a great solution.
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Pyrotoad posted:I hope we get the same dubcast so we get more of Griffith's wonderful singing I think you meant this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USlKqeKOLWE&t=90s Ruh ruh RUH! RuhruhruhRUH! RUHRUHRUHRUH!  Almost all of the outtakes are superb so I'm really hoping for more period, not just singing.
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Mr. Deathy posted:I think we are exaggerating slightly. I'm not seeing a problem with it. For example when Griffith raises his arm with the sword in it on top of the castle, the body is 3D at 12 fps. But it doesn't look weird at all, makes it look more like traditional animation.
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Feb 19, 2012 20:59
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Ulio posted:There is Berserk armor in Capcom's new game Dragon's Dogma. Well, I'm glad I chose not to play through Amalur as Guts after all. That would make playing this feel a bit tired, no matter how different the game plays. ...we need more Berserk games. 
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Ccs posted:I'm not seeing a problem with it. For example when Griffith raises his arm with the sword in it on top of the castle, the body is 3D at 12 fps. But it doesn't look weird at all, makes it look more like traditional animation. Yeah, they talked about it in the video, where his body was essentially done in CGI and a 2D face was drawn on. It's a really simply shot, but the animation looks really impressive. I've been trying to pay attention to the editing of the film in regards to jumping from CGI to 2D animation and it's pretty cool to see what works and what is a bit odd looking. There's a simple shot of Guts putting on his helmet as Corkus and the other Hawks attempt their ambush that demonstrates how simple actions look great with this technique. (A CGI Guts prepares himself, putting his helmet on, but it cuts to a closeup of Guts face as he finishes putting it on in traditional animation, and the transition is really smooth) Small details like this end up looking really good and flow well. The initial fight between Guts and Bazuso still looks a little too jerky though.
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Elentor posted:I'm not exaggerating, they all sounded horrible. The video is great, yes. It may make logical sense, but in scenes where the 3D is far more prominent than the 2D scenes (quite a lot), virtually everything running at 12fps looks like rear end.
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Feb 20, 2012 11:00
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Most of the 12fps/3D problems come form a lack of motion blur. Normally one would draw "smear" frames, which have motion trails added, but as far as I can tell (been close to a month since I watched any of these) none of the trailers have any of that. The result is your brain wondering what the hell is wrong with the speed of the movement versus what your eyes are actually seeing. 12fps is also generally considered the bare minimum you can animate something and have it flow at all, and even then it heavily relies on smear frames. Below 12 and it tends to get too jerky. Though in opposition to this anime, or any highly detailed hand-drawn animation really, usually animates on 3s (every 3rd frame of 24, or 8fps) it always has lots of motion blur added in to aid your brain to interpret the missing data if it's any good as far as animation is concerned. It's a trade really since both take lots of time to do and it's a matter of where you focus lies in fluid animation or detailed characters.
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You have a good point there. There seems to be some very light blurring in some of the action scenes we've seen, but that could just be video compression artifacts. Adding simulated motion blur/smear frames would probably make it look a quite a bit better. Also here's that 327th chapter of Berserk. No date for the next chapter because that's the way Miura rolls.
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quote:Also here's that 327th chapter of Berserk. The most significant part of this chapter was the subtitle. Oh god how long is Miura going to cocktease us...
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Feb 20, 2012 18:26
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It was a good chapter. Well drawn, as ever. I wish Miura would turn down his perfectionism a bit so he'd get more chapters done often but oh well. It was a splendid chapter regardless. Assuming they don't go Meanwhile: Griffith-wise after this chapter, we don't have too much in front of us before Elf Island. Hopefully.
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Feb 20, 2012 18:32
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I don't care about Griffith at all on his own. Once Griffith got the power of a god to go with his incredible charisma it was a foregone conclusion that he'd get his own kingdom. Conversely, Guts is great no matter his situation or company.
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Zorak posted:It was a good chapter. Well drawn, as ever. I wish Miura would turn down his perfectionism a bit so he'd get more chapters done often but oh well. It was a splendid chapter regardless. MEANWHILE, SILAT IS CONFUSED AGAIN.
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Decent chapter, I guess next chapter they will be finally out of this place.
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Feb 20, 2012 20:47
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They killed the sea god but did they kill the OCEAN god? See ya in 3 years.
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Feb 20, 2012 22:09
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So, it was kind of on the fringe there before, but the the line Guts said about the Moon Kid "seeming like a kid playing around" this chapter and his spectral appearance have got my questioning whether or not this is some kind of freaky three way baby. like, Guts' sperm, Caska's egg, and Griffith's Od or something.
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OnimaruXLR posted:So, it was kind of on the fringe there before, but the the line Guts said about the Moon Kid "seeming like a kid playing around" this chapter and his spectral appearance have got my questioning whether or not this is some kind of freaky three way baby. like, Guts' sperm, Caska's egg, and Griffith's Od or something. Its "astral form" or whatever seems to have hair similar to Griffith's, though I might just be misjudging the style it's drawn in.
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Feb 21, 2012 01:51
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OnimaruXLR posted:So, it was kind of on the fringe there before, but the the line Guts said about the Moon Kid "seeming like a kid playing around" this chapter and his spectral appearance have got my questioning whether or not this is some kind of freaky three way baby. like, Guts' sperm, Caska's egg, and Griffith's Od or something. I had always assumed that it was the demon fetus in a new form. Which would basically be a 'yes' to what you're suggesting.
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U-DO Burger posted:I had always assumed that it was the demon fetus in a new form. Which would basically be a 'yes' to what you're suggesting. The demon baby was "used up" for Griffith to reincarnate though, wasn't he?
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OnimaruXLR posted:The demon baby was "used up" for Griffith to reincarnate though, wasn't he? We'll find out later this decade won't we?
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OnimaruXLR posted:The demon baby was "used up" for Griffith to reincarnate though, wasn't he? I'm guessing that only the 'demon/Griffith' part of the Guts/Caska+Griffith baby was what got used up.
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I also got the idea somewhere that the fetus was "corrupted" by Griffith (during the eclipse), so what he used for the rebirth might have been that "corruption". Can't think where that idea came from though.
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