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Meowjesty
Oct 23, 2009

Friends depend on each other.
Any twelve year old who can't access porn on the Internet has a mom who isn't going to buy them a comic book with lesbians on the cover, anyway.

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ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Romes128 posted:

I'm reading through All Star Superman, and while I don't have a problem with the art...
Tumor Neck Superman is distracting.
All Star Superman is a not-so-secret Desperate Dan tribute, which goes a long way to explaining the facial weirdness.

Also, going back to the previous page, Digital Justice really was awesome for the time, especially the colouring - but the overuse of copy-pasting entire panels was criminal.

ookiimarukochan fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Feb 20, 2012

Oldstench
Jun 29, 2007

Let's talk about where you're going.
The Annihilation Prologue book has some really awful stuff in it.


Those arms and faces...

Bloody Holly
May 29, 2007

the George Washington of breadfucking

Everything nova... everything.

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001

Oldstench posted:

The Annihilation Prologue book has some really awful stuff in it.


Those arms and faces...

I refuse to believe this is actual art that came out of the big two.

Oldstench
Jun 29, 2007

Let's talk about where you're going.

RevKrule posted:

I refuse to believe this is actual art that came out of the big two.




I wish I could just wish it away.

Or is it Sputnik
Aug 22, 2009

Oh, Ho-oh oh oh, oh whoa oh oh oh
I'll get 'em caught, show Oak what I've got
You know what the shame is? I'm pretty sure that is Scott Kolins, who did the first half of Johns original Flash run. This is what it looks like when he inks himself.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 33 hours!
Fallen Rib

Or is it Sputnik posted:

You know what the shame is? I'm pretty sure that is Scott Kolins, who did the first half of Johns original Flash run. This is what it looks like when he inks himself.

Didn't Kollins pencil that awfully penciled issue of Brave and the Bold featuring Nightwing and Hawkman?

Oldstench
Jun 29, 2007

Let's talk about where you're going.

Or is it Sputnik posted:

You know what the shame is? I'm pretty sure that is Scott Kolins, who did the first half of Johns original Flash run. This is what it looks like when he inks himself.

Credits say June Chung did the coloring.

Or is it Sputnik
Aug 22, 2009

Oh, Ho-oh oh oh, oh whoa oh oh oh
I'll get 'em caught, show Oak what I've got

Oldstench posted:

Credits say June Chung did the coloring.

Be that as it may, I'm pretty sure that's Kolins inking Kolins. Compare it to say, Flash #180 where Doug Hazlewood inked over Kolins pencils.

Oldstench
Jun 29, 2007

Let's talk about where you're going.

Or is it Sputnik posted:

Be that as it may, I'm pretty sure that's Kolins inking Kolins. Compare it to say, Flash #180 where Doug Hazlewood inked over Kolins pencils.
I'm an idiot and misread "colored" as "inked". :hurr:

SirDan3k
Jan 6, 2001

Trust me, you are taking this a lot more seriously then I am.

mind the walrus posted:

12 year-olds with internet connections. Why they wouldn't be able to find actual porn if they're so-inclined makes them, well, a particularly sad variety of 12 year-olds.

Because they don't want actual porn they want to be teased with fan service and leave the rest to thier imaginations.

It's a fairly common kink, just look at the sheer amount of cheesecake is in every medium.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
He's been a lost cause since he left Flash. Check out his Solomon Grundy mini that he wrote in addition to drawing. It's horrible in every way.

Or is it Sputnik
Aug 22, 2009

Oh, Ho-oh oh oh, oh whoa oh oh oh
I'll get 'em caught, show Oak what I've got

Rhyno posted:

He's been a lost cause since he left Flash. Check out his Solomon Grundy mini that he wrote in addition to drawing. It's horrible in every way.
Did, could not make sense of it but I guess Solomon Grundy was the Hulk, then he died and wasn't the Hulk and then Solomon Grundy was a black lantern. IIRC this was a story Scott Kolins really wanted to tell.

ElNarez
Nov 4, 2009
I know this goes against everything the title of this thread stands for, but holy poo poo you guys.



This is from the upcoming Grifter #9, it's drawn by Rob Liefeld, and it looks pretty loving good. I don't know what's happening anymore.

EDIT: Okay, I know what's happening now, and turns out Grifter is totally not Deathstroke. I am dumb.

ElNarez fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Mar 1, 2012

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

ElNarez posted:

I know this goes against everything the title of this thread stands for, but holy poo poo you guys.



This is from the upcoming Grifter #9, it's drawn by Rob Liefeld, and it looks pretty loving good. I don't know what's happening anymore.

That's Scott Clark.

ElNarez
Nov 4, 2009
Well, that explains it. Sorry you guys.

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

Had me worried for a second.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 33 hours!
Fallen Rib
The feet should have been a giveaway.

ShortStack
Jan 16, 2006

tinystax

Madkal posted:

The feet should have been a giveaway.

Yeah, that was the first thing I looked at when I read "Liefeld".

Senior Woodchuck
Aug 29, 2006

When you're lost out there and you're all alone, a light is waiting to carry you home
Grifter will be written by Rob Liefeld.

The Ghoul
Dec 8, 2011

I got a cobra for a cock and some wrought iron balls

Senior Woodchuck posted:

Grifter will be written by Rob Liefeld.

...And cancelled soon after.

Lars Blitzer
Aug 17, 2004

He drinks a Whiskey drink, he drinks a Vodka drink
He drinks a Lager drink, he drinks a Cider drink...


Dick Tracy's number one fan.

ShortStack posted:

Yeah, that was the first thing I looked at when I read "Liefeld".

I was looking at the face for the telltale off-kilter eye placement. Guy never draws both eyes on the same level. It's really obvious when you look for it.

Baron Bifford
May 24, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 2 years!

Senior Woodchuck posted:

Grifter will be written by Rob Liefeld.

How is Liefeld as a writer?

Heresiarch
Oct 6, 2005

Literature is not exhaustible, for the sufficient and simple reason that no single book is. A book is not an isolated being: it is a relationship, an axis of innumerable relationships.

Baron Bifford posted:

How is Liefeld as a writer?

Do you really have to ask?

Baron Bifford
May 24, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 2 years!

Heresiarch posted:

Do you really have to ask?

Oh yes, I must. I've never read anything written by him. Don't just tell me that he's awful, explain how he is awful.

Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010

I've never read anything written by Liefeld, but the characters he creates are abysmal. For example, he made a villain for Cable who was a generic strong dude with four arms. His brilliant name? Forearm. As if that wasn't silly enough, Liefeld took the character with him when he moved to Wildstorm. He had to make some changes for legal reasons, so Forearm changed genders and she also got an amazing terrible new name: Foreplay :haw:

Related to this: When Cable first became a thing, you got artists who really weren't interested in drawing pouches, trying to decipher the clusterfuck that was Liefeld's art. Like in New Mutants Annual 6, where the penciler didn't realize that those thingies on Cable's back were guns:

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Liefeld isn't nearly as obviously a bad writer as he is a penciller, but I can't say just how bad he is or in what ways. I just avoid whatever has his name on it as a matter of course.

That said I don't think he'd be atrocious because he does have a clear reverence for superheroes and not making GBS threads all over them on purpose, but if he's anything like he is as a designer he probably doesn't really revere anything but the most superficial marketing qualities. What makes a character "badass", and that sort-of thing. Something tells me things like dramatic tension or character personality beyond what to put on their marketing tagline aren't things he knows much about, let alone is able to use well as a writer.

Soonmot
Dec 19, 2002

Entrapta fucking loves robots




Grimey Drawer
All they need to do to fix Grifter is move Swierczynskwi over and tell him to write Grifter just like Starling in Birds of Prey.

Baron Bifford
May 24, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 2 years!
He's like Ed Wood, then. He totally loves the subject matter and the medium but is utter shite at creating it.

Stagger_Lee
Mar 25, 2009
Liefeld as a writer completely tore apart anything the original New Mutants comic was about and turned it into Cable yelling at some people until they became as joyless as him. He also introduced more than one character that duplicated existing mutant power sets without the inconvenience of a personality.

But I'm grateful to him for giving us what Shatterstar became in the current X-Factor run.

Edit: And to be fair, New Mutants had gotten pretty dire by the time Liefeld took over.

Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010

Ok time to post some actual art.

I've been re-reading Brubaker's run on Catwoman, and I was amazed by some of the art. The art team goes through a lot of changes, but the common denominator in all the really good issues is that Matt Hollingsworth does the colours. He sets the mood and tone for each scene incredibly well. Here's an example, with Cameron Stewart (also awesome, he is great at drawing faces) as penciller:







Unfortunately the series takes a nosedive when the team is replaced by Paul Gulacy & Jimmy Palmiotti. They are both listed as artists in each issue, I'm not sure what the division of labour was, but the result is beyond terrible.

Flounder faces


Creepy rape faces, also her pelvis is literally a foot wider than her waist. Catwoman looks like she is wearing one of those fetish rubber suits that they suck the air out of. Her belt is missing too.


Missile boobs


Goggles never the same shape


Ridiculous poses with no sense of movement


All of the above


Just... dammit.

d00gZ
Oct 12, 2002

Original Sin Murderer
Wild Guess #627
Edward Snowden

"My sole motive is to inform the public as to that which is done in their name and that which is done against them."
Green Arrow #7. Harvey Tolibao. What in the gently caress.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Uh, if you were falling into a portal in the floor, you might get a bit contorted trying to get out, too.

EDIT: Oh wait, it's a hot tub. That actually makes less sense than a random portal.

Parmesan Basil
Nov 12, 2008

TIME IS THE FIRE IN WHICH WE BURN THE GAME CLOCK
Why are those all the same people?

redbackground
Sep 24, 2007

BEHOLD!
OPTIC BLAST!
Grimey Drawer
And the other one fuckin' LOVES flying in planes. WHEEEEEEEEEEEE

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

I SWING BY AUNT MAY's
FOR A SHOWER AND A
BITE, MOST NATURAL
THING IN THE WORLD,
ASSUMING SHE'S
NOT HOME...

...AND I
FIND HER IN BED
WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!
Judging from the arms and hair, she was probably drawn naked in the tub with her immoral bits covered up in the biblical way and some editor said "Yeah, no." So a quick leather-suit limbs-redraw later, boom, weird art.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Mister Roboto posted:

Judging from the arms and hair, she was probably drawn naked in the tub with her immoral bits covered up in the biblical way and some editor said "Yeah, no." So a quick leather-suit limbs-redraw later, boom, weird art.

Also the water is so purple, it really does look like a portal is sucking her in.

Angry Diplomat
Nov 7, 2009

Winner of the TSR Memorial Award for Excellence In Grogging
Are you sure that's a tub? It doesn't look like a tub. I feel like it's some kind of bed or something.

Jesus that picture is :psyduck:

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DJ Turbo Punch
Feb 3, 2006

WAKE UP


Whatever it is it caused the poor girl's spine to snap. It also caused her sister/clone thing right above her to have a left leg that's half as long as it needs to be. :pwn:

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