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John Charity Spring posted:Cosca. Who is already confirmed as being in it. One of the most "enduring, powerful, and popular" characters in The First Law? That seems much more Logen to me.
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Fly Molo posted:One of the most "enduring, powerful, and popular" characters in The First Law? That seems much more Logen to me. That's not the way Cosca tells it. 
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Feb 14, 2012 22:24
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If it's the most Enduring, Powerful and Popular character with the author then it's definitely Cosca.
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Feb 15, 2012 00:05
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John Charity Spring posted:Cosca. Who is already confirmed as being in it. Yeah, along with a mysterious uncle with the bloodiest past, the preview says her and Lamben the Bloody Nineuncle go and meet Cosca. No other character from the first law fits the description, ansd Joe wouldn't troll that hard, hes more subtle when he trolls. Its 100% logen. When is the book due anyway? Umph fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Feb 16, 2012 |
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Feb 16, 2012 08:25
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As much as I agree that his story ended really well in the trilogy I will not be upset if we see him again. That one scene at the end of the first book when we first get to meet the Bloody-Nine is hands down my favorite scene from the entire series. "… there was blood on him, but that was good. There was always blood. But he was kneeling, and that was wrong. The Bloody-Nine kneels to no man. His fingers sought out the cracks between the stones of the fireplace, prising between them like old tree roots, pulling him up. His leg hurt and he smiled. Pain was the fuel that made the fires burn. Something moved in front of him. Masked men. Enemies. Corpses, then." Clinton1011 fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Feb 17, 2012 |
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Feb 16, 2012 17:44
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Umph posted:Yeah, along with a mysterious uncle with the bloodiest past, the preview says her and Lamben the Bloody Nineuncle go and meet Cosca. No other character from the first law fits the description, ansd Joe wouldn't troll that hard, hes more subtle when he trolls. Its 100% logen. His blog says late autumn as a guess. Too long, too long.
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Feb 17, 2012 02:24
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If hes been hiding in a farmhouse though I would be sad, I always imagined he went to find Ferro.
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Feb 17, 2012 04:25
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If Ninefingers is anywhere he should be living in the North far away from anyone just chopping wood and smoking a big ol' pipe because he's an rear end in a top hat who is not properly socialised and he realises that. I don't want him to turn up as some urchins adoptive father, or at all for that matter.
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Feb 20, 2012 06:17
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He's actually very well socialized. He's affable, thoughtful, and charismatic even. It's more the whole unstoppable demonic murder rage thing that makes him unfit for society. Although in the case of the North I'd say he fits in fine.
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Feb 20, 2012 06:45
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What are some other authors with a similar style of writing as Abercrombie? It doesn't even have to be a fantasy setting; I just really like his style.
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Above Our Own posted:He's actually very well socialized. He's affable, thoughtful, and charismatic even. It's more the whole unstoppable demonic murder rage thing that makes him unfit for society. He even allowed voting during his reign. What a nice guy.
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Feb 22, 2012 02:19
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Kukash posted:What are some other authors with a similar style of writing as Abercrombie? It doesn't even have to be a fantasy setting; I just really like his style. James Ellroy is a crime novelist whose books have the same ultra-cynical worldview with amoral protagonists, although his prose style is very different.
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Feb 22, 2012 04:25
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Kukash posted:What are some other authors with a similar style of writing as Abercrombie? It doesn't even have to be a fantasy setting; I just really like his style. I just started 'The lies of Locke Lamora' which I heard was similar. I will post again once I have read more.
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Feb 22, 2012 17:33
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Umph posted:Yeah, along with a mysterious uncle with the bloodiest past, the preview says her and Lamben the Bloody Nineuncle go and meet Cosca. No other character from the first law fits the description, ansd Joe wouldn't troll that hard, hes more subtle when he trolls. Its 100% logen. Could it be West? Was it ever really confirmed he was dead?
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Trevefresh2 posted:I just started 'The lies of Locke Lamora' which I heard was similar. I will post again once I have read more. Lynch is much better at creating interesting worlds and personalities to inhabit them. Abercrombie is better at developing character arcs and his storylines are more tightly woven. I enjoy both authors, and found Abercrombie from a recommendation from other readers who had read Lynch. The two authors seem to regard each other highly as well.
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Feb 22, 2012 17:43
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Above Our Own posted:They both share a low-fantasy grit and fast plot pacing. They are not very similar in tone, Scott Lynch's work tends to be much less dark and cynic although it's definitely still on the grittier side of fantasy. Both authors are good at developing interesting characters. I was pointed to Abercrombie from the A song of Ice and Fire Readers in SA threads. Do you know of any other series that are similar that you also enjoyed? Trying to find something after locke.
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Feb 22, 2012 18:02
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Trevefresh2 posted:Could it be West? Was it ever really confirmed he was dead? Characters don't sit around by the corpse and describe it but its acknowledged hes dead. The only character who makes sense given the wording Joe chose is Logen but he could be using it intentionally so who knows. I really hope it isn't Shivers again or something, if hes going to revisit any character then it might as well be Ferro or Logen. Their arcs were basically finished in most respects but I'll read anything new involving them because they were so well done.
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Feb 22, 2012 18:14
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Trevefresh2 posted:Could it be West? Was it ever really confirmed he was dead?
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Feb 22, 2012 18:20
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Trevefresh2 posted:Could it be West? Was it ever really confirmed he was dead? If I remember correctly, they talk about him being dead in Heroes.
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The Gunslinger posted:Characters don't sit around by the corpse and describe it but its acknowledged hes dead. The only character who makes sense given the wording Joe chose is Logen but he could be using it intentionally so who knows. I really hope it isn't Shivers again or something, if hes going to revisit any character then it might as well be Ferro or Logen. Their arcs were basically finished in most respects but I'll read anything new involving them because they were so well done. Hang on a second, Ferro..... Lamb is the step-father of the missing kids but we don't know who the mother is yet! Edit: Oh yeah, and Shivers doesnt make sense since he seems unlikely to ever leave his life of violence behind him after his transformation in BSC.
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Hughmoris posted:If I remember correctly, they talk about him being dead in Heroes. They never quite come right out and say he's dead, if I remember right - I think it's in the list of Marshals that the corporal has outlasted, and when they get to him they say something like "terrible shame, him being so young." I noticed when I read it that it's heavily implied but never quite stated. Which could go either way - Abercrombie is good about not feeling like he has to spell out every single detail, so it could be that he is dead.
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What if it's Craw from The Heroes? Nah, that wouldn't make sense. Maybe it IS Logen. But I hope not. I kinda like having him be Schroedinger's Barbarian.
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The timing makes sense for it to be Logen. If we're thinking Searchers or True Grit as an inspiration for Abercrombie, the girl would be somewhere around 10-12 years old. Heroes was set 8 years after the trilogy; it wouldn't surprise me if this one was 2-4 years after that, so Logen could've had a daughter post-trilogy. This is just bored speculation, though. I should get my hands on some cheap copies of the trilogy and reread them...
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Feb 23, 2012 05:24
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Trevefresh2 posted:Do you know of any other series that are similar that you also enjoyed? Trying to find something after locke. Not really similar in style, but if you want (often) amoral protagonists and an author with a dim view of humanity, check out KJ Parker. Well, her protagonists aren't always amoral, some of them have the very best of intentions, but this generally does not help much.
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Groke posted:Not really similar in style, but if you want (often) amoral protagonists and an author with a dim view of humanity, check out KJ Parker. Well, her protagonists aren't always amoral, some of them have the very best of intentions, but this generally does not help much. I looked her up on Amazon and there's a shitton of books/series there. Do all her series have the same world? Which should I read first? edit to stay on topic: if logen and ferro had a baby what would it look like Grand Prize Winner fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Feb 23, 2012 |
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Feb 23, 2012 08:26
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Joe did a pretty good interview with Fantasy Fiction which is worth a listen. It touches on returning characters and Joe's thoughts about who can return and under which circumstances as well as lots of chat about the new book. Worth a listen.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:I looked her up on Amazon and there's a shitton of books/series there. Do all her series have the same world? Which should I read first? Nah, so far she's got three trilogies, not connected to each other, and then a few standalone novels. Each of these seems to be in an altogether separate world [1]; she does seem to reuse some favourite bits of historical inspiration (for example I think there's more than one case of a crumbling decadent empire/city state similar to Byzantium, but what's wrong with that?). My favourite work is the Scavenger trilogy but you'd probably be smart to try one of the standalones first just to see if you like the author's voice, which some people don't. [1] Well, except that The Hammer seems to be set in the same world as The Folding Knife but at some considerable remove both in geography and history (it'd be like considering two historical novels "connected" because one of them is set in Rome during the time of Julius Caesar and the other is set in, oh, maybe Scandinavia in the 16th century and contains a few references to geographical locations featured in the first).
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The summary says 'step-father.'
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Kukash posted:What are some other authors with a similar style of writing as Abercrombie? It doesn't even have to be a fantasy setting; I just really like his style. I've heard good things about Matthew Stover's Heroes Die.
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Kukash posted:What are some other authors with a similar style of writing as Abercrombie? It doesn't even have to be a fantasy setting; I just really like his style. Have you read Glen Cook's Black Company series? If not, read Glen Cook's Black Company series.
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Ornamented Death posted:Have you read Glen Cook's Black Company series? If not, read Glen Cook's Black Company series. Be sure to stop reading after book 3 though, its all downhill from there.
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I need to decide which series to start up next, since I have a pile of recommendations from here and Goodreader. R. Scott Bakker - The Prince of Nothing Glen Cook - The Black Company Greg Keyes - The Briar King Scott Lynch - The Lies of Locke Lamora Brandon Sanderson - Mistborn Brandon Sanderson - The Way of Kings And I still want to re-read Gene Wolfe - The Book of the New Sun. This is my penance for having read next to nothing for the last five years. Oh, and to echo what a lot of others have already said, the best chapters in The Heroes were the ones that followed action around the battlefield. As much as I enjoyed reading about Gorst going apeshit and cleaving dudes left and right, "Casualties" was a phenomenal chapter. It kind of reminded me of the beginning of the Nick Cage movie "Lord of War", which follows the path of a bullet throughout its production, shipment, and firing, ultimately ending in a kid's skull. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHn1zogeyO4 Aggro fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Feb 24, 2012 |
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Aggro posted:
Those are my personal favorites, in the order I would suggest reading them. I love Sanderson so much but there was just something special about The Lies of Locke Lamora.
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The Lies of Locke Lamora was fantastic, except that he apparently wrote 2 books and then went crazy (so book 3 has been pending for 5 years now). That shouldn't stop you from reading the first book, since it's a fantastic book, even as a standalone.
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syphon posted:The Lies of Locke Lamora was fantastic, except that he apparently wrote 2 books and then went crazy (so book 3 has been pending for 5 years now). That shouldn't stop you from reading the first book, since it's a fantastic book, even as a standalone. Clinical depression is nothing to scoff at.
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Aggro posted:Glen Cook - The Black Company I'd definitely start here. (Personally I liked all of the books although most goons will probably tell you to stop after the Northern series, which iirc are the first three)
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Glen Cook is definitely the way to go. It's easy to parse because his prose includes so few descriptive elements and it birthed or influenced several notable modern fantasy authors. You can really burn through his books quickly. I agree with Keke, read the whole thing. The later books are only disappointing in that he reuses way too many phrases and plots elements but he experiments with a lot of other things that at least make it interesting. His other projects are neat too, I thought Passage at Arms was excellent and really nails the feel of Das Boot in space. The Swordbearer is a rather dark riff on excalibur style hero origin stories. I tried Bakker and just couldn't get into his stuff, it's really heavy on internal dialogue and geopolitical stuff. Sanderson is easy reading but it feels a bit mechanical at times, The Way of Kings was a big improvement in some ways though. The Gunslinger fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Feb 25, 2012 |
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Aggro posted:I need to decide which series to start up next, since I have a pile of recommendations from here and Goodreader. R Scott Bakker's series is my favorite out of all of these and one of my favorite fantasy series in general. It has a ton of depth both in the world building and thematic ideas he uses. I also think Bakker has the best writing prose-wise out of the authors listed and he improves with each volume in the series. I'd definitely recommend him first. I also agree with other people's recommendations of the Black Company and the Lies of Locke Lamora. I read some of that Greg Keyes series years ago and if I remember correctly it was pretty much just a basic forgettable fantasy series, not real bad but nothing to go out of your way for.
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Lies of Locke Lamora has my vote. The early-renaissance fantasy setting is really interesting and refreshing and I love his characters.
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isochronous posted:I've heard good things about Matthew Stover's Heroes Die. The first book is really good, like a fantasy version of the Running Man. The protagonist is an Ayn Rand worshipping Mary Sue, but that didn't stop me from loving it. The second book sucks so hard. If you could remove all the philosophizing, it might be pretty good, but you'd be left with like 5 pages of Cain kneeing people in the teeth.
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