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Azure_Horizon posted:And I don't understand that, either. It was just as riveting for me but in a totally different way. Cersei is becoming insane, but her character just gets the shaft in ADWD and I feel so bad for her. I just can't feel any sympathy for Cersei, and I am glad she is insane and got put in prison. I was really depressed when she wasn't executed, and had to do the walk of shame through King's Landing. The one person that was going to help put the Kingdom back together under the Lannisters was killed in the Epilogue of ADwD by Pycelle (and we find out where his loyalties lie). He wants Cersei to tear the kingdom apart.
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Feb 16, 2012 15:49
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pakman posted:I just can't feel any sympathy for Cersei, and I am glad she is insane and got put in prison. I was really depressed when she wasn't executed, and had to do the walk of shame through King's Landing. The one person that was going to help put the Kingdom back together under the Lannisters was killed in the Epilogue of ADwD by Pycelle (and we find out where his loyalties lie). He wants Cersei to tear the kingdom apart. aDwD Kevan was murdered by Varys' and his little birds. Pycelle was already dead or dying. Not sure how Cersi will get out of jail or when, but as things unfold, she'll most likely be undoing anything in KL in regards to re-armed religious nuts, added to Aegon and whatever Danaerys does (or as some claim doesn't do) well, Cersi is primed to really wreck things.
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Feb 16, 2012 18:15
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Joramun posted:So this is a thing now If Atlus teams up with From Software again, this might actually be good.
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Feb 16, 2012 18:58
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joneswt posted:If Atlus teams up with From Software again, this might actually be good. It's being developed by Cyanide, who have done exactly nothing of interest.
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Feb 16, 2012 19:00
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Oh, its probably poo poo then.
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Feb 16, 2012 19:32
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geeves posted:aDwD Kevan was murdered by Varys' and his little birds. Pycelle was already dead or dying. Not sure how Cersi will get out of jail or when, but as things unfold, she'll most likely be undoing anything in KL in regards to re-armed religious nuts, added to Aegon and whatever Danaerys does (or as some claim doesn't do) well, Cersi is primed to really wreck things. Whoops, forgot it was Varys and not Pycelle. Kevan had gotten the summons to come to Pycelle's room where he found the body, then he was shot in the back by Varys. I think it will be interesting to see what happens with Tommen.
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Feb 16, 2012 19:46
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pakman posted:Whoops, forgot it was Varys and not Pycelle. Kevan had gotten the summons to come to Pycelle's room where he found the body, then he was shot in the back by Varys. I think it will be interesting to see what happens with Tommen. aDwD: Varys and the Tyrell's will force Ser Boros to feed Tommen to death like in Se7en.
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Feb 17, 2012 01:49
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Conduit for Sale! posted:It's being developed by Cyanide, who have done exactly nothing of interest. They also made Game of Thrones: Genesis, which is not a positive.
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Feb 17, 2012 03:29
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Jesus Christ. I just read the part of ASOS where Robb and Catelyn are killed; the hound rides Arya down and now I'm just like holy poo poo. Holy. poo poo. I just needed to vent about that because I'm still blown away. Everything makes sense now too, why Grey Wind was angry, why Walder Frey wanted to make sure Robb came down to the Twins away from Riverrun, why Walder Frey gave Brandyn his only pretty grandaughter...etc. Really well done, George.
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Feb 23, 2012 03:32
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I love how that whole segment before the moment absolutely sets you on edge. You know Robb just made the stupidest mistake he could have ever made. You know the Freys won't just take that without doing something. You keep reading expecting the metaphorical axe to fall thinking "It can't be that bad, can it?" When they enter the castle and commit the act of eating bread and salt you think "They're safe now, right??" And then the axe falls. The moment it all goes down is going to be the best money shot in the whole TV series.
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Feb 23, 2012 07:51
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So yeah, I'm reading through the series for the first time... but god drat, I was not prepared for this level of depression. Seriously. It seems like everything was happy-go-lucky at the first, and now, Jesus, everything's gone to poo poo. I like the Starks. I like them a lot. I've just passed the part where Winterfell is captured by Theon Greyjoy, then Ser Rodrik comes to recover it, gets killed by Reek, who then kills Theon and destroys Winterfell. I have, unfortunately, seen a few spoilers for the next book, and I know that Robb dies, but god drat. I am not used to this level of depression. Is there any reason to keep reading, or is it just depression after depression after depression?
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Feb 24, 2012 00:16
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Sky Shadowing posted:Is there any reason to keep reading, or is it just depression after depression after depression? Not entirely. Some fairly uplifting things happen to some characters (or because of some characters). Things like Jaime's redemptive arc (SoS and onwards), Theon recovering his identity (DWD) or Davos getting Stannis to go to the motherfucking Wall (end of SoS), for instance.
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Feb 24, 2012 06:23
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So I was a bit taken aback last night when I was watching 30 Rock and it made a factually accurate ASoIaF reference, with Liz Lemon as Daenerys and her high school stalker as Xaro Xhoan Daxos. Did anyone else watch the episode?
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Feb 24, 2012 20:51
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joneswt posted:If Atlus teams up with From Software again, this might actually be good. According to some people in the comments section of Winter is Coming: Winter is Coming posted:The rpg is developped by cyanide France when Genesis was entirely developed by the Canadian team, not the same devs, not the same script writers, not the same involvment with Martin/Westeros.. So in fact, it’s not the same studio. So, there you go. I'm going to wait and see what people say about it. If it sucks, no biggie, I won't get it. But I didn't think "Lord of the Rings: War in the North" was all that bad either. I guess its because its the only PS3 RPG game I have.
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Feb 24, 2012 22:48
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Just finished Feast for Crows. The last line of the book has a character saying "Nice to meet you, I'm Pate ". Should I know who this character is? I feel like I've heard the name before but can't think of anything significant about it.
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Feb 26, 2012 00:21
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JustinMorgan posted:Just finished Feast for Crows. The last line of the book has a character saying "Nice to meet you, I'm Pate ". Should I know who this character is? I feel like I've heard the name before but can't think of anything significant about it. Re-read the first chapter.
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Feb 26, 2012 00:32
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Gimmedaroot posted:According to some people in the comments section of Winter is Coming:
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Feb 26, 2012 02:45
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLMydhMqWDQ This is delightful.
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Feb 26, 2012 13:49
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Joramun posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLMydhMqWDQ That's great, and it immediately reminded me of this. (not really spoilers in it, but some references you probably won't get if you haven't read through all the books)
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Feb 27, 2012 03:20
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Ballz posted:That's great, and it immediately reminded me of this. (not really spoilers in it, but some references you probably won't get if you haven't read through all the books) Reading that brought back up a rage I had suppressed. Can bread in this world be described in any way other than "still warm/hot from the oven"?
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Feb 27, 2012 05:32
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ADWD: Reek, Reek, it rhymes with WTF THEON!? OH MY WHAT THE gently caress. I actually said "Whaaaaaaaat...." out loud. Very loud.
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Feb 27, 2012 13:15
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Ballz posted:That's great, and it immediately reminded me of this. (not really spoilers in it, but some references you probably won't get if you haven't read through all the books)
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Feb 28, 2012 10:56
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Kung Food posted:Now I'm wondering what the family word are for House Caterpillar. Around Thine Necks We Coil.
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Feb 28, 2012 11:11
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Kung Food posted:Now I'm wondering what the family word are for House Caterpillar. We Hunger.
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Feb 28, 2012 12:56
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So, I'm currently reading these books. I'm really... I don't quite know what to think. I'm part of the way through A Storm of Swords (page 365 in the trade paperback) and I will spoiler the rest of my comments henceforth and I'm sorry about the impending block of blackness but I have had nobody to discuss this with and I need to get some of this off my chest! I am just terrified for almost every character in the loving story that I care about. I almost loving DESPISE Martin for making me care so much about some of these people, and then putting them through such absolute hell, because I just know it's not going to end well for some of them even after all the misery. And I can't get over how much I absolutely and truly loving DESPISE certain individuals. And it upsets that I know tons of them won't get their comeuppance at least as much as it upsets to know that people that I care about are bound to be murdered unjustly. So far, the truest bit of joy I've gotten from seeing a hateful individual get hosed over was having Theon get betrayed by the Bastard of Bolton. And that was nice, but there haven't been enough moments like that. I suppose I'm still putting some hope in having Dany show up with her dragons and eunuch army and just lay waste to Westeros and all the loving awful evil horrible loving people that populate it, but then plenty of characters that I love are bound to get hurt in such an encounter, along with the bad ones. Oh well. I think the only storyline that makes me feel truly good and happy at the moment is Bran traveling north with the Crannogmen, Hodor, and Summer. I absolutely adore all of those characters, and it fills with me hope and joy and happiness to see how they've all more or less avoided the relentless punishment and torture and heartache and awfulness that, say, Sansa and Arya have been exposed to. Speaking of Sansa, I can't express how bittersweet it is to see her and Tyrion be married. I really, really want things to work out for the both of them, but Sansa's just too stupid and shallow and ignorant to properly appreciate what an unbelievably lucky break she's just been given. It would be wonderful to see Tyrion join forces with the Starks though, and that seems like a distinct possibility now. Knowing Martin, something will happen to utterly gently caress this over. I'm also unsure as to whether or not there will ever be a single happy reunion in this entire loving series. Ever. I'm resigned at this point to Catelyn never seeing her children again, or even any of the Stark children ever seeing one another again. It'll probably just never happen. Not in this loving world. 
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Mar 5, 2012 16:11
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kaworu posted:So, I'm currently reading these books. I'm really... I don't quite know what to think. I'm part of the way through A Storm of Swords (page 365 in the trade paperback) and I will spoiler the rest of my comments henceforth and I'm sorry about the impending block of blackness but I have had nobody to discuss this with and I need to get some of this off my chest! I am eagerly anticipating your thoughts on later portions of the book.
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Mar 5, 2012 16:22
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Chinston Wurchill posted:I am eagerly anticipating your thoughts on later portions of the book. I'm terrified I hit close to mark with some of my observations. I will say this - Storm of Swords reads VERY fast. Much faster than the second, which plodded along a bit at times, and possibly even faster than the first. It's really very well done. I'm a little afraid of finishing it so quickly, because I'm told the third book is generally regarded by nearly everyone as the best in the series thus far, and I can already see why in a way. There's still a great deal of potential, and so many plot threads that could just go off at any moment. So much mounting tension. Honestly, reading these books can be sheer torture. I feel permanently like some hapless criminal on his knees with his head bowed, while GRRM holds a sword just above my neck, constantly threatening to bring it down at any possible moment.
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Mar 5, 2012 18:22
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This is the point in the thread where no one has many words to help you deal with the mounting tension. The only thing I can say without giving away crucial details is be ready to have the last few acts of SoS break you.
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Mar 5, 2012 18:27
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Everyone i know who has read ASoS had to stop reading for atleast half a hour after that.
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Mar 5, 2012 19:22
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Why does GRRM break us down? So he can bring us back up again! (and then kill our favorite character)
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Mar 5, 2012 20:09
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Okay. I've done little but read this goddamn book today, and I'm pretty sure I just reached the part you guys were talking about. More Storm of Swords spoilers follow. Jesus fuckin' christ. This story just gets SO loving CRUEL! Honestly, it wasn't as if it was the most horrifically awful thing to kill off Robb and Catelyn like that. I mean it's horrifically awful, but neither of them were characters that I had ever felt particularly attached to. The cruel part, to me, was doing it JUST AS ARYA REACHED THEM! And I do care about Arya, a great deal. I confess that after her brief chapter that followed the slaughter, I thought she had died too, and that GRRM had killed her off IN ADDITION to Robb and Catelyn, in one fell swoop. And I actually flung the book across the room at that point, as if it were a living thing that was going to bite my hand. Then I picked it up and scrolled through some chapter headings briefly enough to see that Arya has more POV chapters to come. And that was a relief. I don't care if I spoiled myself a bit there, I would NOT be able to forgive him if he killed Arya off as well right there. But Robb and Catelyn is bad enough, really, even though like I said I was always fairly lukewarm about both of them. And truth be told, they're loving IDIOTS who are far, far too trusting, just like Ned. This is the inherent problem with the Starks, is that they're goddamn saps who refuse to come to terms with how horrifically cruel their world is. They should never ever ever have returned to the Freys but to slaughter all those loving weasely sons of bitches, which was blatantly obvious. Anyway, yeah. Good god. I couldn't read another word after that, and I still feel sick to my stomach. All I'll say is that GRRM has goddamn well better leave Bran alone. If he kills off Bran, I'll find GRRM and kill off him. I mean, not really, but it's hard not to feel that way. Bran's a sap like the other Starks and far too trusting as well, but I strongly relate to him and his plight. And his saving grace is that he has Jojen and Meera with him, who are a drat sight smarter than Robb and Catelyn - they would never in a million years trust a Frey. Or anyone really, which is extraordinarily wise in Westeros. Oh, and one more thing. It is not lost on me that both Balon Greyjoy and Robb Stark have died shortly after Stannis did his thing with the leeches. The one thing I am now desperately hoping for is that Joffrey comes to a similar fate before the book ends. kaworu fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Mar 5, 2012 |
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Mar 5, 2012 22:44
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kaworu posted:I hope he gets raped to death by a hundred men while Tyrion gelds him slowly with red-hot pokers (as promised) and flays all the skin off his face while Cersei is made to watch with her eyes clamped open A Clockwork Orange-style. That would maybe start to satisfy me, if that happened to Joffrey.
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Mar 5, 2012 23:05
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Joramun posted:This is a pretty disturbing thing to say about a thirteen-year-old boy. I tend to visualize him as a revolting murderous beast with no regard for innocence or human life, and not in terms of his age at all. I thought Joffrey was like 16 or 17, too? He's not really 13, is he? Or is he only older on the TV show? Anyway, it probably is a bit too brutal. edit: Anyway I edited it out for whatever it's worth, because it is a pretty disturbing thing to say. It's really, really hard not think in the most gruesome possible terms while reading this book. I also wrote that post right after Joffrey was crowing about how he was going to make Sansa kiss her brother's severed, rotting head at his wedding. I mean, seriously 
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Mar 5, 2012 23:10
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The Machine posted:Why does GRRM break us down? So he can bring us back up again! (and then kill our favorite character) Yeaaaaa still waiting for that "bring us back up" part. I'm guessing it'll come when GRRM dies.
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Mar 5, 2012 23:57
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kaworu posted:But Robb and Catelyn is bad enough, really, even though like I said I was always fairly lukewarm about both of them. And truth be told, they're loving IDIOTS who are far, far too trusting, just like Ned. This is the inherent problem with the Starks, is that they're goddamn saps who refuse to come to terms with how horrifically cruel their world is. They should never ever ever have returned to the Freys but to slaughter all those loving weasely sons of bitches, which was blatantly obvious. I also had a hard time feeling bad about Catelyn because pretty much everything is her fault or made worse by her.
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Mar 6, 2012 00:10
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Of all the characters who died in ASoS, the one that actually made me the saddest was Ygritte. Jon seemmed to really love her. Like for the first time in his life somebody actually understood him and loved him for who he was. "You know nothing Jon Snow" 
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Mar 6, 2012 05:36
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Super-duper spoilers due to the creative editing of the quote below. Don't read until around Feast of Crows or so.kaworu posted:Okay. I've done little but read this goddamn book today, and I'm pretty sure I just reached the part you guys were talking about. More Storm of Swords spoilers follow. Boy, aren't you in for a surprise or two! Loving this story, haven't read the latest book yet, and I can't get enough of not knowing what to expect next. My only criticism for people with views like kaworu is that they should put some thought into the common folk of Westeros. The Starks et al are naive and whatnot, but at least they're rich and privileged. You're rarely introduced to the common sefs, but just imagine what their lives are like if the hoighty-toighty rich folks are being hosed over left and right.
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Mar 6, 2012 06:01
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Brienne and Arya probably give you the best idea of what it's like for the electricsugar posted:Of all the characters who died in ASoS, the one that actually made me the saddest was Ygritte. That character annoyed the gently caress out of me. Her involvement with Jon made perfect sense, but I didn't enjoy reading about it. "You know nothing Jon Snow" was the first thing I found Gurm over-using. I thought it went away after she died, but nooooope.
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Mar 6, 2012 06:21
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Kung Food posted:What I find interesting about the Starks is that they seem to be the fantasy version of chivalrous knights placed into a setting more close to what the dark ages were actually like. Pretty much everyone mocked Ned for being too far up his own rear end about honor and duty, he is pretty much Captain Carrot from the discworld series played straight. I think you're absolutely right about the Starks, they are almost like fairy-tale versions of chivalrous royalty. It reminds me of how Sansa believes in "True Knights" and is always having dreams of being rescued by her "Knight in Shining Armor", quite literally. I always figured that was the basis of her crush on Ser Loras. And of course, even Loras isn't really what he seems to be at all. It's why I still feel bad for Sansa marrying Tyrion, in a way. I mean, I'm glad she married the one decent Lannister, but it's almost bad for her only because of his appearance. I just hope she grows up. Oddly, one of the images that really sticks in my mind is from their wedding, when Tyrion repeatedly tugs insistently on Sansa's skirt for her to kneel down, so he can throw the cloak over her, and she stares ahead, refusing to kneel or even look at Tyrion - who then has to climb on the back of a fool so he can throw the cloak over her. Then Sansa looks at how red-faced he is with shame and embarrassment, and realizes how awful she's being. I don't know why but that sticks in my mind really strongly. It's a great metaphor for their relationship, too. And honestly, I never much like Catelyn due to how horribly she treated Jon Snow. I get why she feels that way, but it's always bothered the hell out of me. It's so spiteful and petty and cruel of her. And I do feel for the smaller folk. I really, honestly care abut them as much as any one in the story. It's just that we see so much of the story through the eyes of the Starks that it's very difficult not to sympathize with them. It's hard not to sympathize with ANYONE who is given POV chapters, for obvious reasons. Even Jamie earns a great deal of my sympathy in ASoS, and I think I'm not alone in feeling that way. Oh, and I just got the point in ASoS where Bran and his posse meet up with Samwell and Gilly! Oh man, so wonderful, so amazing to see those groups get together. Brought tears to my eyes, literally. Thanks, GRRM, for giving me a gift after the loving red wedding. It's just nice to see some honest, good-natured people meet up together, trust one another, and like one another. Good lord, did that feel good. 
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