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Zenzirouj posted:You may want to keep in mind that the only source of that information is Coyote himself. All we know for a fact is that he's extremely powerful (swatting Ysengrim like a bug, his control over the ether, shapeshifting, his tooth), but he's almost certainly a huge fibber. Coyote is no liar. He's certainly omitting some things, but Tom's made it pretty clear that he's what he says he is. I doubt it will ever be made clear whether he's got some hidden master plan or is just an omnipotent prank-loving idiot.
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I'm going to go with omnipotent prank-loving idiot, or at least omnipotent prank-loving god. However, from the moment he was introduced my perception has been colored by Christopher Moore's Coyote Blue, in which Coyote does have a big master plan, but the master plan in its entirety is just to get people to tell more stories about him. I might add that so far the characterization has been pretty much exactly the same.
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Which makes it all the more odd, unless he was being metaphoric about the sun and moon being his eyes. He took and hid the moon, his own eye, so that he could get the other animals to have him take its place. So that he could watch them. Although that story could have been before his eyes became the sun and moon.
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Kgummy posted:Which makes it all the more odd, unless he was being metaphoric about the sun and moon being his eyes. He took and hid the moon, his own eye, so that he could get the other animals to have him take its place. So that he could watch them. Nothing odd about it - I think he just wanted to screw with everyone's minds.
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Could it be that Jones is part Earth Elemental in the same sense that Annie is Fire? This might explain the strength/weight thing, and the personality of a rock! 
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I like to think that Coyote doesn't have any plan. He just likes loving with people. Do I really look like a guy with a plan? You know what I am? I’m a dog chasing blinker stones. I wouldn’t know what to do with one if I caught it! You know, I just, do things. The Court has plans, Gillette Wood has plans, Rendard’s got plans...
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gobbledygoat posted:I'm hoping it'll be a continuation of the story of the story of the moon-girl I think she was another god 
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Read that chapter again (obviously) and now I'm wondering who's body renard stole. That seems like the sort of thing that would be important. Hammer Backspace posted:What I'm trying to say here is Coyote is the best. Agreed.
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ATP_Power posted:My last reading made me think that Eglamore would be the most likely candidate given what we know of their past, aside from the fact that he's still alive. Maybe the old games teacher? No, the old games teacher was quite an old man, the guy he stole was young.
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Hammer Backspace posted:What I'm trying to say here is Coyote is the best.
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MikeJF posted:No, the old games teacher was quite an old man, the guy he stole was young. Annie's dad. He survived by becoming a computer and moving into a robot body (not much of a change for him) and is currently a satellite. 
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Feb 25, 2012 11:26
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Coyote not wanting to be pestered for teeth is a weak explanation, because we already know of two other cases of Coyote trying to give out gifts (Rey and Ysengrin) and both times it ended poorly. It's not exactly a secret that Coyote can be 'generous' if he takes an interest in you.
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On the bottom of the comic where the "young man" appears, Tom says "No, you do not know who the guy is yet." I believe that meant that it was a character we had not been introduced to at that time. Which is not surprising, since he's dead. I don't think this is one of those situations where he'll secretly turn out to be someone else; I think it's going to be a flashback story like Ties, Sky Watcher, or Coward Heart where we learn about who he was and why Reynardine chose to possess him. Something to ponder: he went to the Forest. We would know that anyway because Reynard couldn't come into the Court except, presumably, on Official Coyote Business, but the little piece of a scene we see on that page shows him crossing the bridge anyway after being possessed. What was he doing there? Surma was the Court's representative there.
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Maybe he had green fever, like Jeanne. edit: Forest fever? Elftor fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Feb 25, 2012 |
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Elftor posted:Maybe he had green fever, like Jeanne. By the same extension, did Kat have the bird flu?
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I'm betting that Annie's dad is calling cause the Court told him she was skipping detention.
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That would be great. Can't get hold of him when she has head trauma, but if she skips detention, oooh boy. Perfect joke for a school-age story.
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Olivia42 posted:That would be great. Can't get hold of him when she has head trauma, but if she skips detention, oooh boy. Perfect joke for a school-age story. While we're on the subject, it still seems weird to me that the response to her fleeing the Court and putting everyone there in danger was basically "unlimited detentions". It'd be hilarious if that was their bureaucratic answer to everything. Setting fire to a teacher? Detention. Trapping someone in a hellish dimension with spider monsters and faceless people? Detention. Exposing an old school secret where someone was sacrificed and turned into a hate-filled ghost? Saturday detention.
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Ironic Twist posted:While we're on the subject, it still seems weird to me that the response to her fleeing the Court and putting everyone there in danger was basically "unlimited detentions". Well, the only escalation from there is suspension and expulsion. I doubt they really want to kick her out, she's probably considered too valuable just for being a potential medium (and unwitting spy on Coyote). I imagine they are bending quite a few rules for her, it's just not as obvious. Tom's writing is pretty good about that. No real school administrator would tell a trouble student they are going soft on them, it'll just encourage that behavior. zeekner fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Feb 26, 2012 |
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The Court sticks the normal students in a big metal tank with a terrifying crab monster. They got options is what I'm sayin', there's detention and then there's detention. Couple hours of study hall in an abattoir with a bunch of screamin' ghosts and you won't be putting pins in no teacher's chair
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I know it's kind of a faux pas to compare Gunnerkrigg Court to Harry Potter, but that's really the same absurd conclusion. No matter what terrible things you've done, if the faculty doesn't want to expel you for some plot related reason of you being intrinsically important, you can do pretty much whatever you want and expect nothing more than a detention. It makes for lots of fun times.
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Olivia42 posted:I know it's kind of a faux pas to compare Gunnerkrigg Court to Harry Potter, but that's really the same absurd conclusion. No matter what terrible things you've done, if the faculty doesn't want to expel you for some plot related reason of you being intrinsically important, you can do pretty much whatever you want and expect nothing more than a detention. It makes for lots of fun times. I was going to make a comparison, but it's not that apt. Harry Potter gets away with his shenanigans with the full support of the headmaster and very few consequences. Gunnerkrigg feels more realistic, with the administration unhappy about the situation but unable to really do anything about it. This alone should tell you how strict they are. Getting in trouble after surviving that fall is pretty lousy, regardless of the fact she shouldn't have been there.
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Coyote is a living metaphor. His stories about himself won't be internally consistent, because his very existence isn't internally consistent. The various coyote legends don't have much continuity, since all of them have been real legends/folk stories. He's a god. He is the earth, and the woods, and the sky, and the sun and the moon. Did those stories about him actually happen, are they just stories people made up about him that he liked, or does he only exist because all those stories have been told? What if it's all three? What if even he doesn't know, and doesn't much care? He is not the only God out there. He's not even the most powerful. He's one of the 'animal people' in his stories (mythological figures who are basically THE [Animal], instead of just one such animal), not a Creator god. He met the Creator God, he had chats with him, and he even tried his hand at the whole creation thing - and didn't do so well. He's not the only thing in the world that can say it is the stones and the trees and the water and the sun and moon, and still be completely honest. Those woods are his territory, though, so it's extra-true in there.
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The world is Coyote's home, he came from America because he heard the tales of Renard, a trickster dog like him. They went to the forest because they were told it was a place of power and union, and only found a squabble. Which is why he divided the humans and the forest.
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wyoming posted:The world is Coyote's home, he came from America because he heard the tales of Renard, a trickster dog like him. They went to the forest because they were told it was a place of power and union, and only found a squabble. Which is why he divided the humans and the forest. He is very powerful you know. I love Coyote.
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Coyote's whole deal reminds me of the themes that Neil Gaiman uses in American Gods and Anansi Boys. I like it, and I hope we learn more about it in time.
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Esme posted:Coyote's whole deal reminds me of the themes that Neil Gaiman uses in American Gods and Anansi Boys. I like it, and I hope we learn more about it in time. He does seem have that whole deal of being extremely powerful in some weird way that depends on the stories people tell about him goin' on. Man those were both fun books.
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Well, Annie's fallen back into emotional repression so hard it probably made her teeth rattle. Good job, Mr. Carver!
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Goddamn, that fisheye effect really conveys the emotion here.
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Well, that's good guys. I'm glad that worked out. Now can we get back to the faeries.
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Wow it's Elgamore again! Haven't seen him since he helped the boys sneak out. e: obviously they can't trace the call because the program is only looking at Earth Fecha fucked around with this message at 09:08 on Feb 27, 2012 |
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Feb 27, 2012 09:05
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Um... there's two guys in green shirts in the first panel... Kinda... greyish... green, aww screw it.
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Annie  Think that's an actual crack in the wall, or a metaphorical crack in Annie's psyche?
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Robo Pope posted:Annie Probably both. I also think it's kinda neat that we've got the narration bubbles in lue of dialogue again. We haven't seen those in a long time. I suppose one could read it as her closing down talking with other people about this.
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Robo Pope posted:Annie Annie was caught in the fire at the hospital and has been in a coma ever since. The court and forest are just manifestations of her subconscious built on fairy tales and the promises of a school she'd never attend 
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Robo Pope posted:Annie That would be quite the horrible construction maintenance on the court's part if it was an actual crack. Or Eglamore just smashed his fist into the wall in anger. Looks like this chapter will advance the plot quite a bit, maybe. I would gladly pay to see a confrontation between Eglamore and Mr. Carver (if the latter shows up in the flesh).
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True story: I thought that was Eglamore, but I wasn't entirely sure because he looked a little different. So I looked below the comic, and sure enough...
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The narration is in present tense, so this is her thought process right now. Does this mean previous chapters' panels, which were in past tense, were narrated at around this time? Not that it matters.
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Nondevor posted:That would be quite the horrible construction maintenance on the court's part if it was an actual crack. Or Eglamore just smashed his fist into the wall in anger. The court's in decay all over, though. Probably too big to properly maintain. I'm sure it's both real and metaphorical. And kudos to Tom on Annie in that last panel. Conveying so much in that one simple image. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Feb 27, 2012 |
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