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niggerstink420 posted:This is the thread for sharing personal experiences re: birds & bees. I don't mind reading it, it's something I'll have to do someday for my own children, so any examples, failures or successes, are great to work from.
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Nevvy Z posted:What were you saying? I mean that '5% of baby' is not very much overall, we just tend to assume that the more advanced contraception methods are fool proof. There's always a bit of a risk of pregnancy, even vasectomy can fail. If you want a guaranteed 0% of baby, get anal/oral. 
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Nenonen posted:I mean that '5% of baby' is not very much overall, we just tend to assume that the more advanced contraception methods are fool proof. There's always a bit of a risk of pregnancy, even vasectomy can fail. If you want a guaranteed 0% of baby, get anal/oral. Obviously you've never had a food baby
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Someone in the Political Cartoons thread posted this from his facebook news feed: Yep.
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Olanphonia posted:Someone in the Political Cartoons thread posted this from his facebook news feed: *Not racist
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Just saw this one pop up on my news feed: Thankfully it was reposed by a friend who proceeded to skewer it, so that was nice. But still, 
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If Hitler gets that symbol, why doesn't Stalin get that other well known symbol, or Mussolini that much lesser known but still really quite important symbol?
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Yeah, the swastika never meant anything to anybody, ever, before Nazi Germany.
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Feb 26, 2012 19:49
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Don't forget the Pope! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Pope_Benedict_XVI
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Sigh. I asked my dad not to send me any racist junk about Obama, which thankfully saves me from about 90% of the the republican's propaganda. What can I do about this one? Harry Reid and the Democrats are at it again. Despite the fact that the dangerous Stop Online Piracy (SOPA) and Protect IP Acts (PIPA) were shelved after facing vehement opposition from the American people, Congress continues to look for ways to TAX, REGULATE AND CONTROL YOUR INTERNET ACTIVITY ! Reid is pushing a super-secret cybersecurity bill straight to the Senate floor for a vote, ignoring Republicans who have asked for the opportunity to debate and markup the legislation. Reid's bill will put internet service providers and private networks under the control of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). And, if they can control it, they can tax it . Democratics claim they have been working on cybersecurity legislation for several years...AND THEY HAVE. That, in fact, is the problem here . They told reporters Reid's cybersecurity bill "brings together a number of other bills that have already been through the committee process." We wonder if that includes SOPA, and PIPA, two horrible pieces of legislation that were vehemently opposed by the public? Or, does it include other bills drafted behind closed doors that we know nothing about? As with Obamacare, we may not know exactly what is in the bill until it is passed. (And, that is presumably the way Reid wants it!) The Internet is under attack. Help save our First and Fourth Amendment rights! Please send your personalized fax to Congress right now and join the fight for internet freedom. Your voices of opposition were successful in forcing Congress to put SOPA and PIPA on hold; let's stop Harry Reid's push for his intrusive cybersecurity bill, H.R. 1981, and any attempt at internet control and taxation. YOU CAN SAVE THE INTERNET FROM ANY AND ALL GOVERNMENT CONTROL...make your voice heard now with your personalized fax! A coalition of media advocacy groups has warned that the bill would "create unnecessary, overbroad and unwise limitations to access of information, including broad exemptions to the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), and jeopardize the rights of whistleblowers." It will allow the government more secrecy, and we know that Reid's bill gives the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) REGULATORY AUTHORITY AND CONTROL over private companies with computer systems "crucial" to national security, both physical and economic. It places more regulatory burdens on these companies, whoever the government decides they are, and it increases information sharing with the government. Early versions of this bill gave President Obama kill-switch powers during an emergency...just like Egyptian President Mubarak exercised during the uprising last year. Joe Lieberman (I-CT), a sponsor of Reid's bill, claims that language was removed ... but we will never know, because this new version is shrouded in secrecy and they are not willing to put it on the table for hearings and markups. Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said, "Rather than rush into a massive bill that could have unintended consequences and may not address the problems it is supposed to, the American people would be better served by holding hearings and a markup so that members of both parties can make informed decisions about cybersecurity legislation." Be warned, America: Barack Obama is no friend of freedom. He and his liberal buddies ARE COMING FOR US ONLINE ... so it's up to you and me, right now, to stop any and all attempts at internet data collection, censorship, monitoring and taxes. The Internet is under attack. Help save your First and Fourth Amendment rights! Please send your personalized fax to Congress right now and join the fight for internet freedom. Your voices of opposition were successful in forcing Congress to put SOPA and PIPA on hold; let's stop Harry Reid's push for his intrusive cybersecurity bill, H.R. 1981, and any attempt at internet control and taxation. YOU CAN SAVE THE INTERNET FROM ANY AND ALL GOVERNMENT CONTROL...make your voice heard now with your personalized fax! Government control and censorship of your online activities is still an idea that is very much alive in Congress ... and Harry Reid is its newest champion! Ever since Obama took office, we've been fighting for internet freedom. The government is intent on getting control of the World Wide Web: • They tried Net Neutrality, ultimately gaining the right to an internet "kill-switch," even though three federal judges told them it was unconstitutional; • The FCC has worked diligently to increase regulations on internet activity and its members are openly hostile to First Amendment rights; • SOPA and PIPA, which would have caused sweeping devastation to legitimate websites, were days away from passage when they were finally shelved due to overwhelming opposition from the American people ... however, Harry Reid is likely to bring back these bills by hiding them in his new cybersecurity legislation; • H.R. 1981, one of the newest pieces of internet legislation to be debated, is a huge threat to our privacy. Under the auspices of protecting our children from pornography, it is simply a cleverly-disguised way to force online service providers to spy on your online activities and provide that information to the government . H.R. 1981 is all about data retention. It requires Internet service providers to keep DETAILED RECORDS OF your internet activity, your name, address, bank account numbers and credit card numbers. • Recently, the United Nations announced they are looking to impose a WORLD TAX on internet users, especially on financial transactions. It is unclear how far this idea will go, but you can rest assured a plan such as this would make Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and other Democrats VERY happy! This is an URGENT CALL TO ACTION. We fought Net Neutrality, and we fought SOPA and PIPA. We are now continuing our campaign to send thousands and thousands of faxes to Congress, urging them to OPPOSE Reid's secret cybersecurity bill, H.R. 1981, a United Nations World Tax, and any other legislation that threatens internet freedom. Help us flood Congress with your personalized faxes and tell them to protect our First and Fourth Amendments and protect free speech and free enterprise in America. Send your message to Congress right now! If America undergoes a cyberattack, there are measures in place to protect utilities and financial institutions...Reid's latest push for regulation would include Internet service providers and PRIVATE networks ... who exactly that would be remains to be seen. The government will decide, of course. Who will Reid and Obama decide to shut down, in the name of "national security?" It seems like a backdoor way to get control of the internet , and a way to get SOPA language past the American people. And again...if the Democrats take government control of the Internet, they can tax it. The Internet is not a utility, like an electric company or a water company. It is an open forum of ideas and information, and so far it is off-limits to the big taxes and oppressive regulations of the Left. But, if Harry Reid and Barack Obama get their way, it will no longer be free. Government control over private industry ... this is what Obama's entire administration has been about. Barack Obama must be salivating at the potential control his administration could gain over your online activities, especially in an election year. Everything you do online ... reading political blogs, checking your bank statements, purchasing products, signing up for the latest coupon offer ... everything you do online will be captured by your service provider and given to the U.S. government. Everything you do online ... is a potentially taxable opportunity. Everything you do online can be regulated and controlled by Obama and his big government idealogues ... ... Unless concerned voters like you continue this fight to protect freedom. It's clear: THEY AREN'T GOING TO BACK DOWN unless We, the People give them no other choice! Help save your First and Fourth Amendment rights! Please send your personalized fax to Congress right now and join the fight for internet freedom. Your voices of opposition were successful in forcing Congress to put SOPA and PIPA on hold; let's stop Harry Reid's push for his intrusive cybersecurity bill, H.R. 1981, and any attempt at internet control and taxation. YOU CAN SAVE THE INTERNET FROM ANY AND ALL GOVERNMENT CONTROL...make your voice heard now with your personalized fax! Nevermind the problems with Obama's campaign having access to your personal information...IMAGINE how unsafe it will be to have all your critical data - including financial information - housed in one big government database. If a hacker managed to get into this goldmine your identity and your security would be destroyed. This is how well our bureaucrats have protected information since June of last year: • The United States Senate was hacked at least twice • The FBI was hacked more than once • The CIA was hit with a distributed denial of service (DDOS) attack • And the big one, of course, was the Wikileaks scandal These are the same agencies who want to be able to control YOUR data and protect YOU from a cyberattack . Do we really want the government monitoring what we do online? Do we want them to have access to our most personal information? Do we want them spying on law-abiding citizens in the name of "protecting" us? Do we want them TAXING our online activities? Do we want them to have the ability to SHUT DOWN THE INTERNET? Of course not! Let's put a stop to this madness right now. Send your personalized faxes to Congress and tell them to keep their hands off the Internet and demand they preserve our First and Fourth Amendment freedoms! If Obama has his way, THE GOVERNMENT will have control over your Internet identity, control over the Internet itself, AND CONTROL over the way you access it. They can use this control for whatever purposes suit them . ...and a myriad of NEW INTERNET TAXES will suit them perfectly as they struggle to fund their socialist agenda! Every citizen in America should be involved in this fight. We cannot allow our freedoms to vanish under this administration. Don't let Harry Reid get away with shoving more bad legislation down our throats ... legislation that has been drafted in secrecy and quickly put up for vote without Republican input! All of these regulations relating to your internet activity are part of a larger effort by the Obama administration to exert power and speech restrictions over the entirety of the Internet, what you can see when you are on it, and how you access it. The assault on the internet is all part of Obama's culture of control . We absolutely must protest this, or we will wake up one day to find our freedoms completely eroded and we will not be able to get them back. Thank you for helping to save the land of the free and the home of the brave! Conservative Action Alerts https://www.conservativeactionalerts.com It is imperative that we fight the forces of a police state and keep the Internet free from government control! If any of these freedom-killing initiatives pass, they will open up a host of new regulations for the internet and endanger our free speech rights. JOIN this fight for freedom and FAX CONGRESS NOW and tell them to stand up for our First and Fourth Amendment rights! You can also CLICK HERE to send a FREE message directly to YOUR U.S. Representative and Senators! Conservative Action Alerts (CAA) is a media outlet protected by the first amendment and that support for our efforts is not tax-deductible. Diener Consultants, Inc., 17388 Nature Walk Trail, Suite No. 301, Parker, CO 80134 ------------------------------------------------------------- My dad gets all his info from Fox News and Paul Harvey. He rants about Obama and the gas prices and when I confront him about it with facts about Obama and the gas prices (like US oil production has gone up every year Obama's been office) he just sputters and claims that they're all liars. But he refuses to see that voting for Obama is the lesser evil. Sorry about the e/n stuff, what can I do about this email in particular.
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Point out that Republicans pushed through the Patriot Act when they had a majority, which does a lot more to destroy privacy online than SOPA would have.
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Dancingthroughlife posted:what can I do about this email in particular. Honestly I wouldn't do anything. You will never be able to argue effectively against lies to a person who has a habit of poisoning the well when confronted with evidence against their beliefs. Also, SOPA/PIPA/other Federal attempts to control the Internet in the name of entertainment industry profits are indeed terrible and the fact that some Democrats promote either is an awful embarrassment. At the most I'd point out that there are Republicans who support this crap as well. Most of my conservative friends understand that this isn't at all a partisan issue.
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babies havin rabies posted:Honestly I wouldn't do anything. You will never be able to argue effectively against lies to a person who has a habit of poisoning the well when confronted with evidence against their beliefs. Also, SOPA/PIPA/other Federal attempts to control the Internet in the name of entertainment industry profits are indeed terrible and the fact that some Democrats promote either is an awful embarrassment. Point out that a Republican introduced SOPA, while a Democrat introduced PIPA.
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THE GAYEST POSTER posted:Point out that a Republican introduced SOPA, while a Democrat introduced PIPA. And that Obama threatened to veto it.
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I didn't read all of it, but my response would involve: 1) Any Bill that starts with H.R. is a House of Representatives bill, Reid can't do anything with HR1981. But if it really scares your dad, John Boehner the Republican Speaker of the House can refuse to bring it up for a vote, so no problem! 2) S.1308 is the Senate equivalent of H.R.1981. It was introduced by Senator Orinn Hatch; H.R. 1981 was introduced by Rep. Lamar Smith. Both are Republicans. 3) H.R. 1981 deals with harsher penalties for people who buy child pornograghy online, and increased protections for child witnesses. It has nothing to do with taxing the things you do online. Why does your dad love internet child pornography so much, hmm?
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Thanks guys! Oh god! ^^^  Yeah it prolly won't make a difference but I have to try.
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Sarion posted:
You are buying into the naming scheme. This doesn't have much to do with child porn, and while it doesn't involve taxes it does erode privacy. ISPs are going to be forced to store information on all of its users for Government access. The guy is at least worried about this stuff, even if his facts are wrong. Seems like he would be easier to talk sense into because he identifies the problem, just not always the source.
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Internet Webguy posted:You are buying into the naming scheme. This doesn't have much to do with child porn, and while it doesn't involve taxes it does erode privacy. No, I actually read the bill, not just the name. It's like 14 pages, giant font and spacing. Sections 2,3, and 7-11 all deal with child pornography in some way; whether it's harsher penalties for pornographers, purchasers, protections for child witnesses, etc. Only Sections 4-6 deal with ISPs, and Sections 5 and 6 are basically protections for the ISPs. Section 4 is the part you're talking about. In particular, Clause (a): H.R.1981 Section 4(a) posted:12 (a) IN GENERAL.—Section 2703 of title 18, United It doesn't log where you go, or what you do. Only the temporarily assigned network addresses given to you by your ISP. Which, if they're investigating a child pornography site, could be cross referenced to see who has been accessing it. But it could potentially be used for other things, like seeing who's been going to any other site. So yes, there are privacy concerns there. But it's not anything close to SOPA or PIPA, or remotely close to what the crazy fucks at "Conservative Action Alerts" described it as. And that's really the main point. Dancingthroughlife's dad was being led to believe that a bill that is almost exclusively about cracking down on child pornography was about Obama trying to control your internet access, tax your internet activity, and get a giant internet kill-switch. But now he can link him to the bill (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c112:2:./temp/~c112I01PR8::) and say, "Look dad, the bill they're talking about is a Republican bill about cracking down on Child Porn. You cannot trust those guys." You could get into the nitty gritty about the potential hazards of Section 4(a) becoming law. But it doesn't matter because this bill won't ever actually pass the House and Senate. What does matter is convincing the guy to not trust those emails.
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Deuce posted:*Not racist I can't imagine a scenario where anyone would try to say "not racist, though" after posting that image. Wait, gently caress yes I can. The old, "it's just a picture, you're the one who said the monkey is Obama. Maybe it's you who's the real racist" 
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Olanphonia posted:I can't imagine a scenario where anyone would try to say "not racist, though" after posting that image. I've heard a lot of people try and pull the "but he DOES look like a monkey I mean look at his ears!" thing.
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RagnarokAngel posted:I've heard a lot of people try and pull the "but he DOES look like a monkey I mean look at his ears!" thing. "Bush was compared to a monkey all the time!"
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My roommate is about as big a libertarian as you could imagine. He strongly believes in going back on the gold standard, that the fair tax would be the best thing ever, and that states rights would be beneficial to everyone. After a discussion with him, I pointed out that Austrian economics is not taught as widely (and barely at all) as Keynesian. On top of that, I pointed out the gold standard was one of the major reasons we were able to get out of the great depression, and that a flat tax would unfairly favor the wealthy. He told me he'd have a conversation with his brother (Who has a masters in economics), and let me know how he sees the situation. This was the response:quote:ME: Hey BROTHER, I have been following Ron Paul a lot and he always brings up Austrian economics. As I understand they do not teach austrian economics in universities anymore and only teach keynsian economics. Do you know anything about austrian economics or have any opinions on it? I have done some reading but it's not exactly clear. Another question is your opinion on a gold standard. Maybe not exactly gold, but at least the idea of backing up the money with something to prevent money from being printed with no consequences. I have read pros and cons of it and it seems like the only bad part of a gold standard is starting it. Once you get passed the initial 'shock' of changing monetary policy I have read a lot of good things about it. thoughts? It basically boils down to him saying, "Keynesian uses models, I think its dumb to apply math to economics". (Edited names)
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CCrew posted:My roommate is about as big a libertarian as you could imagine. He strongly believes in going back on the gold standard, that the fair tax would be the best thing ever, and that states rights would be beneficial to everyone. After a discussion with him, I pointed out that Austrian economics is not taught as widely (and barely at all) as Keynesian. On top of that, I pointed out the gold standard was one of the major reasons we were able to get out of the great depression, and that a flat tax would unfairly favor the wealthy. He told me he'd have a conversation with his brother (Who has a masters in economics), and let me know how he sees the situation. This was the response: Who is Carl Marx? Also quote:Remember the go-quads? Think of the economy as the engine. The gold standard would be the governor. Removing the gold standard allows the engine to run at high RPM's. So the economy grows quickly but will eventually blow up. With the gold standard in place, the economy grows slowly but never gets out of control. Wasn't the USA on the Gold Standard when the Great Depression happened?
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CCrew posted:It basically boils down to him saying, "Keynesian uses models, I think its dumb to apply math to economics". Nothing wrong with that. Mathematical models, as he said, infer that everybody in the market is acting perfectly rationally and sometimes even with perfect information. That's a pretty apt criticism about how economics are taught in most schools, I think (not an economist). Z-Magic posted:Who is Carl Marx? He means Karl Marx. Karl and Carl are equivilant.
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Since it seems relevant, this was my response:quote:He makes a good point that economics is not scientific. I think I philosophically disagree with your brother while simultaneously agreeing with his points. For example, I'd say an expanding but unstable economy is preferable to a slowly expanding but stable economy. Not saying I think it's ideal, but in my view instability allows for a faster reaction to market changes. Responsible lending leads to more access to currency, and an opportunity to expand business, with the added risk of going bankrupt and not paying back your debt. That the funny thing about debt in general, it's not ideal, but it's still what we built our "superpower" status on. I'm not claiming to be an economist, or the guy with all the answers. It's really just my personal view that if you have two theories, and one happens to have mathematical evidence and examples of how it has been successful in the past, you should put more weight on the one with the evidence/modeling. To me, if you can provide some semblance of proof to why your particular economic theory has been correct in the past, it's worth exploring more both academically and politically. And Z-Magic, yes the US was on the gold standard. From what I've read however, countries economic recovery after the great depression has been linked to the time it took them to leave the gold standard. The ability to quickly print more money to stimulate the economy was one of the driving forces that took many countries out of the slump. No, I do not have any links handy and do not remember where I read this, so take it with a grain of salt. I had the article handy when discussing it with my roommate however (Over a month ago). CCrew fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Feb 27, 2012 |
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CCrew posted:fair tax This caught my eye because in your previous post you mentioned 'flat tax'. FairTax and a flat tax are two very different things. A flat tax means eliminating progressive taxation in favor of one income tax rate, for example everybody would be taxed 10% of their income. This appeals to people because it seems "more fair", but in reality it is a regressive tax due to the marginal utility of money. $4,000 is a lot more significant to somebody with the income of $40,000 than $40,000 is to somebody who makes $400,000. FairTax is a proposal to completely eliminate personal and corporate income tax in favor of, essentially, a Federal sales tax. Families under the poverty line would get monthly "prebates", essentially regular tax refunds. FairTax is inherently regressive for the same reason as a flat tax and would be disastrous in a consumption economy. This sales tax would have to be a ridiculous amount to be effective, something like 25-30%. This tax would only be on products purchased at point-of-sale for personal consumption, not on products produced as inputs for manufacturing i.e. a Value-Added Tax. Herman Cain's 999 Plan is a combination of the two, combining the worst aspects of both. babies havin rabies fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Feb 27, 2012 |
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CCrew posted:And Z-Magic, yes the US was on the gold standard. From what I've read however, countries economic recovery after the great depression has been linked to the time it took them to leave the gold standard. The ability to quickly print more money to stimulate the economy was one of the driving forces that took many countries out of the slump. No, I do not have any links handy and do not remember where I read this, so take it with a grain of salt. I had the article handy when discussing it with my roommate however (Over a month ago). http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2005/12/the_gold_standa.html This isn't the most reliable source ever, but it gives a good summary of why the Gold Standard screwed countries that kept to it during the Great Depression and includes graphs showing the growth of different countries at the time. As you pointed out, the average growth rate of all countries that dumped the Gold Standard in 1931 was much better than the US (1933) or the countries that moved off it even later than the US (who did even worse than us).
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CCrew posted:He told me he'd have a conversation with his brother (Who has a masters in economics), and let me know how he sees the situation. This was the response: Also just to make sure you know what you're talking about, Austrian economics is a tiny fringe movement within the field of economics, whereas Keynesianism is squarely in the mainstream. There's really no comparing the two. The only reason you've even heard about Austrians is because they have a weird cult-like following amongst internet neckbeards and other libertarians.
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babies havin rabies posted:A flat tax means eliminating progressive taxation in favor of one income tax rate, for example everybody would be taxed 10% of their income. This appeals to people because it seems "more fair", but in reality it is a regressive tax due to the marginal utility of money. babies havin rabies posted:This sales tax would have to be a ridiculous amount to be effective, something like 25-30%.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax#VAT_rates
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Isn't there quite a bit of difference between a point-of-sales tax and a value-added tax from the consumer's perspective? On second though, maybe there isn't when you consider most of those costs would be pushed directly onto the consumer in either case.
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You shouldn't put too much focus on the Great Depression when talking about economic recoveries while under the gold standard because we have the 19th century boom/bust cycles (with the most useful examples coming from the latter half of the century) to show how economies can easily overheat, explode and recover. That isn't to say the Great Depression should be ignored by any means but since it seems like you can have a pretty rational and intelligent conversation with this guy and by proxy his brother, look into those cycles as well -the Panic of 1893 in particular.
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I want that list to include every country from Operation Enduring Freedom.quote:Only fifty-nine defining forces have ever offered to die for you
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I remember when it was just "Jesus Christ and the American Soldier"  When did we start including the Brits, Aussies and Canucks in our Holy Triumvirate?
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