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S.J. posted:If you want to get 2 full boosted shots you need three focus for the charger. I can't name a single caster that has 3 focus to hand out every turn, and if you give it to Jr you're just asking for yourself to get 2-for-1'd. Plus, it does nothing in melee and has no secondary abilities. Didn't even think about the second shot costing yet another. You're right, the Charger is inefficient. Well, her gun came bent in the barrel, like the rangers. And her pose is terrible, so I foolishly decided I would do a conversion and... it wasn't well thought out, yeah? The rangers really need it too, when they shipped their guns were practically wrapped around their bodies. And the metal is so thin they tear if I give just the slightest push too hard. But drat that tiny, tiny drill bit.
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Raiche posted:Didn't even think about the second shot costing yet another. You're right, the Charger is inefficient. Ugh, that sucks dude. I bought my Rangers already assembled from a dude but I can see where he had to bend the barrels back into place on some of them.
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Verdugo posted:gently caress Drago so drat much. It's personal now, I will get this drat model put back together and in a normal pose even if the blood loss from the countless drill bit pokes and hobby knife cuts kills me. I was tempted last night to put him on eBay as is for someone to get a good deal on but I will not be defeated by this jerk. That sucks dude I didn't have to do anything but glue him together.
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Verdugo posted:gently caress Drago so drat much. It's personal now, I will get this drat model put back together and in a normal pose even if the blood loss from the countless drill bit pokes and hobby knife cuts kills me. I was tempted last night to put him on eBay as is for someone to get a good deal on but I will not be defeated by this jerk. My Drago has similar issues. Everything is pinned. I still hate him. Behemoth was like that for me. After hours of work and blood loss I just wanted to chuck him at the wall.
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S.J. posted:That sucks dude I didn't have to do anything but glue him together. I did that at first. It took a ridiculous amount of fiddling with the legs to get them to fit in the right spot on the base. The weight of his forearms broke his arms off at the thinnest part. I glued his skull necklace on and it looked great -- then I realized I put it on backwards. I constantly see spikes loose in the bottom of my armor case. I don't know what the problem is -- maybe a batch of bad glue? It doesn't help that I'm a butterfingers and I dropped him while I was trying to fix him last night. Bought the parts I needed today except for the arms. gently caress that at almost $12 per arm. I was so tempted to just do drago spikeless and skull less to save me the hassle but gently caress that I'm not letting this model beat me. Drago is such a cool unit but I hate hate hate his model so much. These dynamic poses that PP puts some of the models in are absolutely ridiculous. I want a normal warjack pose with him standing up, not bent over at an angle or up on one leg or jumping rope or whatever stupid pose they come up with next. I'm dipping him and stripping him down to the bare metal and starting over from scratch.
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I picked up one of these cordless 4.8 volt rotary tool at Sears for $35. It has bits sized for paper clips (pins) and I bought a 1/8" drill bit to drill slots for magnets. Pinning and magnatizing is now a loving breaze, and I'm kicking myself for not buying one sooner. I was able to pin every single piece, short of the shoulder spikes, on my Behemoth, and have it done in about 2 hours of work. It's amazing.
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J Bjelke-Postersen posted:Yeah good. gently caress Menoth. That's it, it's the Wrack for you.   
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Willeh posted:I would drop the krielstone for grim angus and put in an earthborn dire troll instead of a mauler. I think you can drop the stone and the mauler, put in the earthborn and max out the champs. Agreeing with this. Unless the plan is to have an unbreakable Fennblade line with loaded Kriel and poo poo hanging around with them (Janissa and a Fell Caller backing up the Fenns is crazy poo poo) while Grim flanks. I'd still try to shoehorn in the EBDT for Grim's spell list, they're just too good together and the EBDT will usually get a boost similar to the rage animus from fighting big mean enemy things. Mikael Kreoss posted:That's it, it's the Wrack for you. Yeah OK, come and get me. I'll just be here standing behind this wall of Fennblades for a bit. J Bjelke-Postersen fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Feb 28, 2012 |
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Mikael Kreoss posted:That's it, it's the Wrack for you.
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J Bjelke-Postersen posted:Agreeing with this. Unless the plan is to have an unbreakable Fennblade line with loaded Kriel and poo poo hanging around with them (Janissa and a Fell Caller backing up the Fenns is crazy poo poo) while Grim flanks. I'd still try to shoehorn in the EBDT for Grim's spell list, they're just too good together and the EBDT will usually get a boost similar to the rage animus from fighting big mean enemy things. Daughters give no fennfucks about your fennblades. Also there's now a general minis IRC channel on SynIRC, just join #tinyplasticmen and bitch about how PP owns too hard for your wallet to handle (also 40k and other bros are welcome too!)
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Mikael Kreoss posted:Also there's now a general minis IRC channel on SynIRC, just join #tinyplasticmen and bitch about how PP owns too hard for your wallet to handle (also 40k and other bros are welcome too!) Yeah, but we only talk about how cool Trolls are and how every other faction sucks in here so.... e: oh I literally though he typed #tinypewtermen... anyways #TINYPEWTERMEN JOIN IT JERKS! boxcarhobo fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Feb 28, 2012 |
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J Bjelke-Postersen posted:Yeah OK, come and get me. I'll just be here standing behind this wall of Fennblades for a bit. Sure no problem, call me when you get some real infantry.  exemplar errant supremacy
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Mikael Kreoss posted:Daughters give no fennfucks about your fennblades. Is #tinypewtermen over?
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!amicable posted:Is #tinypewtermen over? I didn't know TPM was even a thing so yeah, my bad. Just wanted to have a goon minis channel
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I'm new to Warmahordes - I've played a few games with friends' lists, and I'm getting into it. I'm starting to put together my own list, and I suspect that this is where I start screwing up. What do people think of this? System: Warmachine Faction: Retribution Casters: 1/1 Points: 35/35 Ravyn (*6pts) * Phoenix (10pts) * Sylys Wyshnalyrr, the Seeker (2pts) Houseguard Halberdiers (Leader and 5 Grunts) (4pts) * Houseguard Halberdiers Officer & Standard (2pts) Mage Hunter Strikeforce (Leader and 9 Grunts)(8pts) * Mage Hunter Commander (2pts) Stormfall Archers (5 pts) Arcanist (1pt) Dawnguard Destor Thane (4pts) pEiryss (3pts) I also thought about switching the Phoenix for a Hydra for focus efficiency and adding a mage hunter assassin. Notahippie fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Feb 29, 2012 |
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Notahippie posted:I also thought about switching the Phoenix for a Hydra for focus efficiency and adding a mage hunter assassin. Not a bad idea, Ravyn generally doesn't need the arc node (and definitely not if she has Sylys). Other than that, I generally don't play Ravyn, so I can't really tell you what's good for her, other than that MHSF+UA are a given, Stormfall Archers go good with every list, and Destor Thanes synergize well with her feat, so you're off to a good start. Though every time I add up your list, I get 44 points, which is 3 points over what you should have. Is that just me being crazy?
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Paper Kaiju posted:Though every time I add up your list, I get 44 points, which is 3 points over what you should have. Is that just me being crazy? I mistyped - the halberdiers are 4 points, not 7. I was talked out of the Hydra by the only other Ret player in the local group I know, but he's also selling me all his figs because he couldn't make the faction work for him. The Hydra seems like a better bet to me, and then I get an extra point to either add a soulless to the MHSF or a second Arcanist to keep it alive longer. I'm a little concerned that leaves me more exposed to lists that run multiple heavy jacks.
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I don't see the point of the halberdiers. You could put in invictors (just as good, and with flank, and with CRA) or another MHSF. Personally I'd go with the Invictors and the hydra, but that's me.
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Notahippie posted:I mistyped - the halberdiers are 4 points, not 7. Ah, and if I had actually bothered to check, I would have spotted that and not just looked like an idiot who doesn't know what the basic infantry in his faction costs. Either the Arcanist or the Escort are decent choices. I've found redundant Arcanists to be useful, and they can each do something to the jack on the same turn (like Repair and then Concentrated Power). But the Escort on the MHSF would keep your opponent from using spell AoEs and sprays on them. Swags posted:I don't see the point of the halberdiers. You could put in invictors (just as good, and with flank, and with CRA) or another MHSF. The Halbrediers are there as a screen/tarpit, and one that can hit like a freight train using it's mini-feat. The Halbrediers are freaking fantastic, and are well placed in nearly any Ret list. Yes, you could replace with a min unit of Invictors, but without their UA, they just aren't that attractive as a ranged unit. Flank is never going to go off if your only jack is a Hydra. And despite the temptation to go all shooty with Raven, a diversified list is a stronger list. This is also why you don't really want a second MHSF in there, you're just making the list even more narrow. At 50 points, Invictors would be a good addition (with perhaps a Griffon), but I think his list is good as it is.
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Yeah - my thinking was to use the halberdiers basically as ablative armor for the archers, with the additional bonus of the pretty decent charge. The officer & standard bearer is there to keep them from routing after the inevitable losses. I think I'd be too focused on keeping the invictors alive if I ran them, but that does have the bonus of getting it close to the tier list. I'll switch out the Phoenix for a Hydra and add a second Arcanist and see how it goes this weekend. I also have to say that I really like the fluff on the Retribution - I feel like all the other factions are pretty basic interpretations of some obvious trope, but the idea of religious fundamentalist terrorist elves seems to be a more creative take.
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Notahippie posted:Yeah - my thinking was to use the halberdiers basically as ablative armor for the archers, with the additional bonus of the pretty decent charge. The officer & standard bearer is there to keep them from routing after the inevitable losses. I think I'd be too focused on keeping the invictors alive if I ran them, but that does have the bonus of getting it close to the tier list. Unfortunately, Retribution tier lists in the Forces book suffer the misfortune of being the first tier lists, so they kind of blow. Ravyn's is particularly annoying; three MHSF units to get one free MHA? Two Phoenixes for a benefit I can already get by running two Arcanists, which I would be doing anyways? Where do I sign up  The only one I like is Rahn's, and that's only up to Tier 3. Paper Kaiju fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Feb 29, 2012 |
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  Basing test for my Charger, going for urban ruins. Thoughts?
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crime fighting hog posted:Basing test for my Charger, going for urban ruins. Thoughts? Other than the Charger is a drat handsome-looking light 'jack? Well, there is one thing. How old are the ruins you're going for? When you say urban ruins, I'm imagining smoke and gunfire in the air, but the base seems to be less "contested city" and more "lost city" - in the sense of, say, an archaeological dig site. Specifically, the red-brown clay the Charger is standing on makes me think of time, not cannons, wearing things away. When you say urban ruins, I think of Stalingrad and Mogadishu, not of Machu Picchu and Iram of the Pillars, but the base seems to put more emphasis on the 'ruin' rather than the 'urban'. Now, as I said, there's plenty of old ruins scattered all over the setting; this could well be an expedition to the site of some forgotten city in Protectorate or Skorne territory for an Indiana Jones sort of feel. It all depends on what sort of theme you want.
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He's not standing on red-brown clay, he's standing on unpainted cork.
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I'd add another slab, haphazard so it's not all dead flat against the ground. Or maybe some timber, depending on what sort of ruined city it's meant to be.
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S.J. posted:He's not standing on red-brown clay, he's standing on unpainted cork. It looked like chunks of clay to me, when I scaled it to support a 1200-pound seven-foot-tall war robot. Of course, a bit of paint and some careful shaping and texturing could make them look like almost anything. Yeah, it really depends what sort of theme you're going for, CFH. That the pose and basing you have so far still leave you with lots of options is certainly a good thing.
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What's up Warmachine & Hordes goons. For a year or so I've been thinking about getting into Warmachine, but I'd always chicken out. I'd look at the rows of unfinished Tomb Kings and Dark Elves and the poo poo load of 2nd Ed Orks I inherited and a great weariness would overcome me and I'd go find something else to do instead of starting an entirely new game system. But the death of my local Warhammer Fantasy scene and online research into the game has been slowly convincing me to play. The fact that people describe every army being filled with super rad bullshit appeals to me. No sad sack (before their update) Ogres here. Until this weekend though I hadn't had that final push to get started. Long story short, a combination of alcohol, poor impulse control, a couple of non-geek friends who encourage poor impulse control, and the fact there is a large impressively stocked game store that is open till midnight three blocks from a place called the Jolly Roger Taproom equals I am now the proud owner of the Warmachine Two Player Battle Box. So my question was is this a good value buy? Coming from GW and their battalion boxes, I always ended up never using half the stuff because it was useless on the table. Are the units that come in the box generally decent? My brother-in-law has expressed some quiet interest in learning the game as well, but Khador's whole Rodina Tank Knight probably would appeal to him more than Menoth's Battle Pope blesses you the gently caress out look, so looks like I'll be burning the poo poo out of some non-believers. So my second question is for those who know Warhammer Fantasy armies; if I played most Warriors of Chaos and Tomb kings, will those kind of play styles gel with Menoth?
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Bad Moon posted:
The thing is you can play either Tomb Kings or Warriors with Menoth. If you want to elite out and have awesome infantry, go that way and take a beatstick caster like Reznik who supports big rear end jacks and big rear end mans like Bastions. If you want to play more along the lines of Tomb Kings, take cheaper infantry with a few elites and a dude like the reclaimer, now your elite dead men are alive men again, your cheap men are being used as 'jack fuel and you've ruined the game for everyone forever. The best thing is you can change your army up to a whole new style by simply swapping out your caster. Some casters might make all your guys throw ten tonne punches, some will make your whole force a hell on wheels speed fest and some will simply gently caress with your opponent until he/she cries.
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fadam posted:Is Miniature Market the best place to buy online if you live in NA? In my opinion, yes. MM has some of the best prices of any PP retailer I've found online. They generally ship orders the same day, keep a large stock of product, and offer very reasonable rates on shipping. They take PayPal, too.
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J Bjelke-Postersen posted:The thing is you can play either Tomb Kings or Warriors with Menoth. If you want to elite out and have awesome infantry, go that way and take a beatstick caster like Reznik who supports big rear end jacks and big rear end mans like Bastions. If you want to play more along the lines of Tomb Kings, take cheaper infantry with a few elites and a dude like the reclaimer, now your elite dead men are alive men again, your cheap men are being used as 'jack fuel and you've ruined the game for everyone forever. The best thing is you can change your army up to a whole new style by simply swapping out your caster. Some casters might make all your guys throw ten tonne punches, some will make your whole force a hell on wheels speed fest and some will simply gently caress with your opponent until he/she cries. Well that's good news. I like my big guys to be a blunt instrument I club my opponent with while I gently caress with the rest of their army. I'm really digging the fact I don't have to spend 500+ bux if I want a change of pace. I can't wait to assemble my tiny men and get some games in.
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Bad Moon posted:Well that's good news. I like my big guys to be a blunt instrument I club my opponent with while I gently caress with the rest of their army. It's amazing, you can spend $13 and you've got a whole new spin on your army. I run a pretty much identical list with Borka and Madrak with my Trolls and they operate so differently. One requires orderly movement and precision until the smack is brought, the other is similar but degenerates into a free for all (which is how it's meant to go) that ruins your opponents tactics.
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fadam posted:Is Miniature Market the best place to buy online if you live in NA? I rarely buy online, I like to support my local shop cause the owner is cool as hell, but I recently bought some stuff off TheWarStore for pretty drat cheap.
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fadam posted:Is Miniature Market the best place to buy online if you live in NA? I have had good experiences with Meeplemart so far. They do a good job keeping PP stuff in stock, you can pay with Paypal, they always ship fast.
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Ye Worse User-name posted:I have had good experiences with Meeplemart so far. They do a good job keeping PP stuff in stock, you can pay with Paypal, they always ship fast. I'm very glad they're on my way home from work when I have a bulk little mens purchase to make...
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Ye Worse User-name posted:I have had good experiences with Meeplemart so far. They do a good job keeping PP stuff in stock, you can pay with Paypal, they always ship fast. I love this guy, he's your best bet if you live in Canada.
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Bad Moon posted:What's up Warmachine & Hordes goons. What up, Card Kingdom buddy!  The two player battle box is a fine purchase - I don't have much personal experience with heavy infantry like Man-o-Wars and Cinerators, and think that that they're slightly out of favor in the current metagame of extremely light infantry with extremely heavy jacks, but I know that they see play. You'll probably catch some people by surprise, since they're probably bringing low-power weapons geared towards killing lightly armored but hard-to-hit infantry. Plus those heavy infantry units are basically free given the battlebox price. 'Fraid that I don't know much about how Warhammer armies work, but Menoth is a fantastic denial and attrition faction based on buffing their popebots up to ridiculous power levels. Oh, yeah, and they have some of the best infantry in the game too. As long as you don't mind them being slow, most Menoth infantry are very durable and hit like a freight train. Menoth is slow but incredibly powerful. Khador is deceptive at first glance. They look like a wall-of-metal 'jack faction, but they almost never run more than 1 or 2 'jacks (which they can buff up to have terrifying mobility) to back up their superb faction infantry. Seriously, Khador has several of the very best infantry units in the game - and they also have a great ranking officer unit attachment that allows them to apply faction buffs to mercenary units. Khador is a human wave. Of course, there are also certain casters that defy each faction's stereotypes. Keeps things interesting. 
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