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God the Ret jacks look terrible. Maybe it's just the factory scheme, but ugh. edit: That's a poo poo post for a top of page, so here's an eSev list I've been iterating on. System: Warmachine Faction: Protectorate of Menoth Casters: 1/1 Points: 50/50 Hierarch Severius (*6pts) * Reckoner (8pts) * Reckoner (8pts) * Vanquisher (8pts) Choir of Menoth (Leader and 3 Grunts) (2pts) Daughters of the Flame (Leader and 5 Grunts) (5pts) Daughters of the Flame (Leader and 5 Grunts) (5pts) Holy Zealots (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6pts) * Holy Zealot Monolith Bearer (2pts) Visgoth Juviah Rhoven & 2 Honor Guard (4pts) Eiryss, Angel of Retribution (3pts) The Wrack (3 wracks) (1pts) Vassal of Menoth (2pts) Vassal of Menoth (2pts) Previously this had Blessing of Vengeance in it and a max TFG instead of 2x daughters, and no eEiryss. Playtesting that list, I found the TFG to not do a whole lot except run to engage, which daughters do well, and not having any advance deploy really clogged my start. Daughters will benefit from eSev's Holy Ward as well as TFG do, and they can run to engage and AD better. This is a shooty list, and while BoV was good for cycling around holy ward or maybe the occasional fear of god, really eSev is casting awareness and handing focus out to the jacks to shoot something, so I don't think I'll miss an arc node in a shooty heavy list. If this was more of a balanced list, I'd take him. eEiryss because duh, shooting a jack for disrupt or knocking focus off a caster for two 20" assaulting reckoners with 2 shots each. I think I'm going to try it this way, decide how I like the daughters, and I could maybe see trying to move stuff around to fit in full Errants + UA, but I use them in just about all my lists and I want to start branching out, plus zealots are awesome. Korwen fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Feb 29, 2012 |
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Korwen posted:God the Ret jacks look terrible. Maybe it's just the factory scheme, but ugh. No, I agree. Ret is the worst looking faction to me by far. The minty marshmellow look doesn't help.
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Feb 29, 2012 18:00
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crime fighting hog posted:No, I agree. Ret is the worst looking faction to me by far. The minty marshmellow look doesn't help. I think that's just because they're a pretty big divergence from the jagged-metal steampunk look the rest of the game has. Personally I like it as a contrast, because I think it works with the fluff, but it is definitely a different art direction than the rest of the factions. I agree on the color scheme, though - I think Ret style looks really good paired with a muted earthtones color scheme, and I don't know why they decided to go with weird pastels as the official scheme for a mostly commando army.
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Feb 29, 2012 18:20
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Man, Ret Mages piss me off. Since I misread my Bloat Thrall card I played a 15 point game against my roommate to test out the Bloat properly. Didn't realize they're immune to blast / +2 defense against range, what the gently caress. But yea, for a 15 point Cryx list I'm thinking: Deneghra Ripjaw Defiler Full Bane Thralls Bloat Thrall or Pistol Wraith. I might also sub out the Ripjaw for a Deathripper. Armor Piercing is real strong, but only 1 attack with it makes me wanting more after each turn with him. I'll test out the Pistol Wraith my next game which will hopefully be tonight. Is he even good when you're only running 1? It seems like a lot of people say he needs to run in pairs. If you lock a model down with 2 Pistol Wraiths, they're unable to do anything right? I was told that a model can just sac the same action both times but that doesn't sound right to me.
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Feb 29, 2012 18:35
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Ceritus posted:In my opinion, yes. MM has some of the best prices of any PP retailer I've found online. They generally ship orders the same day, keep a large stock of product, and offer very reasonable rates on shipping. I have to disagree. Every time I order from MM it takes forever for them to ship, they don't update tracking info either. Their prices are good, but their customer service has sucked royally for me so far.
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Feb 29, 2012 18:38
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Notahippie posted:I think that's just because they're a pretty big divergence from the jagged-metal steampunk look the rest of the game has. Personally I like it as a contrast, because I think it works with the fluff, but it is definitely a different art direction than the rest of the factions. I agree on the color scheme, though - I think Ret style looks really good paired with a muted earthtones color scheme, and I don't know why they decided to go with weird pastels as the official scheme for a mostly commando army. I think that my issue with the Ret look is that they have changed all the contours and style of the jacks, but kept the proportions for some reason. Its all these curves and smooth lines, but still the tiny heads and hunchbacks and enormous shoulder-hip ratio. I think that Ret would look better with better proportioned and arranged jacks - wouldn't even need to be particularly slender.
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Feb 29, 2012 18:45
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Verdugo posted:I have to disagree. Every time I order from MM it takes forever for them to ship, they don't update tracking info either. Their prices are good, but their customer service has sucked royally for me so far. Out of curiosity, what kinds of products have you been ordering from them? I've put in around 5 orders with MM over the last few months, and they've all shipped the same day, assuming that I placed them during normal business hours.
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I'm planning to start playing Warmachine with the group I recently discovered and after considering Cygnar gunlines and Trollblood keglines, I've decided to start with a 15 point Khador army including: Old Witch and Scrapjack Doom Reavers+ Fenris and a squad of Kayazy+ Underboss Is this too melee centric? I was thinking that if I like the game I might bring in some steelhead riflemen lead by Valachikov and a Destroyer for some ranged or maybe a squad of snipers. Comments? I have about no experience with this game and half of my choices are based on things I want to paint rather that their function.
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Feb 29, 2012 19:22
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Chance II posted:I'm planning to start playing Warmachine with the group I recently discovered and after considering Cygnar gunlines and Trollblood keglines, I've decided to start with a 15 point Khador army including: Well, this list doesn't use any of the Old Witch's warjack points. Kayazy are awesome, and so are Doom Reavers, but she doesn't really do anything for the Doom Reavers. At 15 I'd prolly do this Points: 15/15 Zevanna Agha, the Old Witch of Khador (*3pts) * Juggernaut (7pts) * War dog (1pts) Kayazy Assassins (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts) * Kayazy Assassin Underboss (2pts) (remember to use forward kommander for formatting your lists it's awesome) S.J. fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Feb 29, 2012 |
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Feb 29, 2012 19:25
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S.J. posted:Well, this list doesn't use any of the Old Witch's warjack points. Kayazy are awesome, and so are Doom Reavers, but she doesn't really do anything for the Doom Reavers. Hmm, I had considered swapping Fenris for a greylord escort and using the points to take a Destroyer and either a minimal unit of Kossites or full unit of Kayazy. I'm reluctant to drop the Reavers entirely since a friend has offered to donate a set. Would a Juggernaut be better that a Destroyer in this list? Edit nevermind I was setting up with a 25 point cost with the Destroyer swap out. Chance II fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Feb 29, 2012 |
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Feb 29, 2012 19:36
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Chance II posted:Hmm, I had considered swapping Fenris for a greylord escort and using the points to take a Destroyer and either a minimal unit of Kossites or full unit of Kayazy. I'm reluctant to drop the Reavers entirely since a friend has offered to donate a set. Would a Juggernaut be better that a Destroyer in this list? Nah, Destroyer is fine, I'm just pooping out examples. I mean it when I say the Old Witch doesn't do anything for Doom Reavers, but that being said, Doom Reavers don't really need any help. If you want them, go for it. Although if you're keeping it at 15 points you won't be able to take Destroyer + Doom Reavers + anything else but a war dog, so. At 15 points though it's not too important; just pick up the models you like and learn how the game plays before you start making normal sized lists. Also, and I cannot stress this enough: do not loving buy Kossites. I don't care how much you like the models, they are an absolutely loving terrible unit and you will regret ever using them. Unless you just want to paint them up, of course. e ^^^ yeah you already saw the points problem
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It bears repeating. gently caress Kossites. TERRIBLE.
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Hah, yeah the Kossites already looked like garbage as units but their models look nice. I thought they might be good as a cheap distraction. Zevanna Agha, Old Witch of Khador 3 Juggernaut 7 Scrapjack 0 Doom Reavers (6) 6 Greylord Escort 2 War Dog 1 Windowmaker Marksman 2 Points: 15/15 With this I could use the Reavers without them self destructing on each other, give the witch some back up and throw in a sniper to possibly pick of enemy support units. I can convert a models I already have into the war dog and marksmen, would already have the reavers and can convert the destroyer chasis I have into the Juggernaut.
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Feb 29, 2012 19:49
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Chance II posted:Hah, yeah the Kossites already looked like garbage as units but their models look nice. I thought they might be good as a cheap distraction. Sounds fine for learning poo poo. Do you have a plastic 'jack kit? If so, you can magnetize the options so you can swap the Juggy into a Destroyer whenever you feel like.
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Thanks for the tip. It even sounds like what Khador would do in the field with their 'jacks.
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crime fighting hog posted:Haters gonna hate... I am very pleased with how Hypnos turned out, especially since the art in Wrath made it look pretty silly. Can't wait to get a hold of him and pink him up.
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Ceritus posted:Out of curiosity, what kinds of products have you been ordering from them? I've put in around 5 orders with MM over the last few months, and they've all shipped the same day, assuming that I placed them during normal business hours. I have to second this. MM has always shipped either that day (if ordered early), or the next. Added bonus, since I live in IL its free next day shipping! As for Hypnos, I like how Retribution models look! Although the factory scheme sucks for me. I am going to probably paint mine in WWII German Uniform colors. Grey Green, Browns, Greys, and so on. As luck would have it, I just found some Flames of War players painting system for German forces at different times of the war. Now I know the proper green for German tanks in July of 1942! (Hint: Its VMC 914!)
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Paper Kaiju posted:Haters gonna hate... It looks like a fat albino baby.
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Glitterbomber posted:It looks like a fat albino baby. With laser cannons.
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crime fighting hog posted:biggie biggie biggie can't you see sometimes your jacks just There's something strange in the neighborhood. 
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Bad Moon posted:There's something strange in the neighborhood. Requesting PV to greenstuff an ascot and paint it red. Please PV please....
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As a Ret player i'm not a big fan of the Vyre Jacks, because they trade 10 boxes of shields for +1 ARM, which is not a good trade imo.
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Feb 29, 2012 22:22
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CROSSPOSTIN PEW PEW MAGIC BULLETED THIS THREAD
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Panzeh posted:As a Ret player i'm not a big fan of the Vyre Jacks, because they trade 10 boxes of shields for +1 ARM, which is not a good trade imo. Except that they got more boxes added to the hull. Count them up; the Vyre jacks only have 2-4 less boxes than the Shyeel jacks. And +1 ARM. I'd say that a pretty even trade.
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PaintVagrant posted:CROSSPOSTIN PEW PEW MAGIC BULLETED THIS THREAD  Hellllls yessss
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PaintVagrant posted:CROSSPOSTIN PEW PEW MAGIC BULLETED THIS THREAD God I loving hate you just so much right now.
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PV, do you have a higher resolution one? I have trouble seeing detail on my own miniatures, and I am sure you found stuff I missed. Edit: NM, its not really that important. The main areas that you kicked my rear end on were the tartan (which I am to chicken to try), and the awesome job of shading on skin and metal. It looks great! dexefiend fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Feb 29, 2012 |
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PaintVagrant posted:CROSSPOSTIN PEW PEW MAGIC BULLETED THIS THREAD This is mouth-watering.
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PaintVagrant posted:CROSSPOSTIN PEW PEW MAGIC BULLETED THIS THREAD Praise you for saving us from the fat laser baby.
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gently caress you PV. I'm about to paint that guy and you've destroyed me will to
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Hey PV, what'd you do for the basing on TrollCaine? That's a pretty good dirt look on it.
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Corbeau posted:What up, Card Kingdom buddy!  I live down near Tacoma so I don't get in near enough but I'm thinking of making more trips. Stores amazing. Corbeau posted:The two player battle box is a fine purchase - I don't have much personal experience with heavy infantry like Man-o-Wars and Cinerators, and think that that they're slightly out of favor in the current metagame of extremely light infantry with extremely heavy jacks, but I know that they see play. You'll probably catch some people by surprise, since they're probably bringing low-power weapons geared towards killing lightly armored but hard-to-hit infantry. Plus those heavy infantry units are basically free given the battlebox price. Awesome, I love the look of fielding tough as nails face imploders, but I do have to ask if there is a big reason there isn't much heavy infantry. Does it get chewed up off the board before it can be effective? If it's just a learning curve thing I'm ok with getting my teeth kicked in while I learn how to use them. Corbeau posted:'Fraid that I don't know much about how Warhammer armies work, but Menoth is a fantastic denial and attrition faction based on buffing their popebots up to ridiculous power levels. Oh, yeah, and they have some of the best infantry in the game too. As long as you don't mind them being slow, most Menoth infantry are very durable and hit like a freight train. Menoth is slow but incredibly powerful. I keep having to remind myself when people say infantry heavy armies I'm not looking down the barrel of 120 rats or some thing equally 
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Wow PV, that is awesome as hell, I decided last night to start painting my jarl list, so those pics are very handy as reference. If mine ends up half as awesome Ill be very happy.
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Bad Moon posted:
Popping in to say that I am a Khador player who has LOVED the Man-O-War models from day-1. As such I now own 13 Shocktroopers(shields and halberds) and 5 Demolition Corps(big hammers). I agree that heavy infantry are not very meta, but definitely have a place in certain lists. Above all use what you like! I consistently win games at my FLGS with Man-O-Wars as the center of my army. High-wound models are just such a pain to make people deal with! Also on the note about Ret. painting: How would a med-dark gray with orange in place of PP's mint color look?
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Bloodgorgers with ragman hanging out behind them...good idea, or best idea?
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PaintVagrant posted:Bloodgorgers with ragman hanging out behind them...good idea, or best idea? I've yet to find 2 spare points that I'd want to spend on Ragman.
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Bad Moon posted:I keep having to remind myself when people say infantry heavy armies I'm not looking down the barrel of 120 rats or some thing equally Yeah I am an admitted infantrymachine player and I only run like...34 infantry in the most infantryspam army I run. And that counts solos and Rhoven+Bodyguard.
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S.J. posted:I've yet to find 2 spare points that I'd want to spend on Ragman. I think he might work really well in my Gaspy1 lists. The blood gorger "deathstar" of full unit, gerlak, and ragman hanging out behind them seems really solid. Between that and scything touch that unit should be able to murder their way through basically anything. If Im doing the math right thats 2 pow 17's at MAT 8, assuming gang bonuses.
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PaintVagrant posted:I think he might work really well in my Gaspy1 lists. The blood gorger "deathstar" of full unit, gerlak, and ragman hanging out behind them seems really solid. Between that and scything touch that unit should be able to murder their way through basically anything. You're right, but I've already got a full bane + UA + Tartarus package in my pGaspy list as well, so Ragman doesn't do anything for me really. This is at 50 though.
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Raiche posted:It bears repeating. Well this seems strangely appropriate: A Saga of Warmachine/Hordes Painters MK III: Kossites are good now?. I've re-started the Saga thread and have simplified the rules.
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