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H.P. Shivcraft posted:What's really interesting about UU and uu is that Hussie is taking steps to explicitly interpellate the readers again after blowing up the suggestion box many eons ago. I don't think we're going to gain control of these characters (though we may), but in any case I think it's a fun nod to the ways in which MSPA has always been a very reader-driven experience.
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Oxxidation posted:Alpha Karkat is here. The comic is good again. The Sufferer of A2 was a good guy, not an unbalanced homicidal porn-addict. He tried to help is people be less aggressive toward one another. That's part of the reason their session would fail in A1; they weren't cutthroat enough and weren't spawned in their own session.
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Mar 1, 2012 17:14
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Cavatica posted:Wow, I didn't expect Luckyellow to make a cameo today! Definitely running with this; uu is Luckyellow. It just fits so well!
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Mar 1, 2012 17:14
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See now this is interesting because its yet another thing that makes me wonder how Homestuck will hold up to the much touted Archival Reading. Maybe the comic's always been like this and I've just been less aware but it seems like increasingly things from the meta-whatever creep into the narrative. In some cases its little in-jokes like the Righteous Leggings growing out of the pantskat meme. But then you have schtick like UU/uu where the significance is lost if you're not up on the fandom being what it is. Maybe the annotations in the print version help address this issue, but then you lose things from the online version. I dunno, its a funky problem for sure.
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Mar 1, 2012 17:23
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Honestly I could do with a little less "character as strawman for readers or critics" in comics. It makes me think of when Shmorky made this:
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Mar 1, 2012 17:25
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TOAST7312 posted:The Sufferer of A2 was a good guy, not an unbalanced homicidal porn-addict. He tried to help is people be less aggressive toward one another. That's part of the reason their session would fail in A1; they weren't cutthroat enough and weren't spawned in their own session. The Sufferer can run off a cliff into a million arrows. This guy is part of the Earth Alpha session and Karkat-esque enough for my needs. So he is Alpha Karkat.
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Mar 1, 2012 17:30
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Snollygoster posted:Honestly I could do with a little less "character as strawman for readers or critics" in comics. It makes me think of when Shmorky made this: Yeah but that's completely different.
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Mar 1, 2012 17:30
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Seoinin posted:See now this is interesting because its yet another thing that makes me wonder how Homestuck will hold up to the much touted Archival Reading. Maybe the comic's always been like this and I've just been less aware but it seems like increasingly things from the meta-whatever creep into the narrative. In some cases its little in-jokes like the Righteous Leggings growing out of the pantskat meme. But then you have schtick like UU/uu where the significance is lost if you're not up on the fandom being what it is. POF.
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Mar 1, 2012 17:42
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Ferroque posted:Yeah but that's completely different. How? Hussies's more eloquent and way funnier than other cartoonists who do this, that's why he can hold up this new character who is going "DUUUH DUUUH I AM YOU, THE IMPATIENT READER. DUUH FART" and we're all praising it as a narrative masterstroke. He's doing an excellent job, but IMO it's still a strawman.
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Mar 1, 2012 17:46
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Wow, Dante Basco is already in Act 3. That's farther than I thought he'd get.
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Mar 1, 2012 17:48
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Snollygoster posted:How? Hussies's more eloquent and way funnier than other cartoonists who do this, that's why he can hold up this new character who is going "DUUUH DUUUH I AM YOU, THE IMPATIENT READER. DUUH FART" and we're all praising it as a narrative masterstroke. He's doing an excellent job, but IMO it's still a strawman. But I mean it's some gentle kidding on the square here and until Hussie's author avatar comes abseiling in to deliver a lecture on entitlement issues I wouldn't get too wound up over it.
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Mar 1, 2012 17:52
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Seoinin posted:Well actually I believe youll find he's threatening to murder everyone involved if they dont get more interesting, not going "duhhh etc". Haha that's true. Also a great mental image, maybe he could spike a bunch of bootleg Etsy merchandise onto the ground with a mighty BOOYAH.
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Mar 1, 2012 17:55
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Snollygoster posted:How? Hussies's more eloquent and way funnier than other cartoonists who do this, that's why he can hold up this new character who is going "DUUUH DUUUH I AM YOU, THE IMPATIENT READER. DUUH FART" and we're all praising it as a narrative masterstroke. He's doing an excellent job, but IMO it's still a strawman. Something that's important to keep in mind is that Hussie keeps making caricatures of real people into characters and none of them are actually negative (except perhaps Eridan). We all loved Equius, Nepeta, and Gamzee despite mostly hating creeps, shippers, and juggalos; in that context I think it's a bit premature to assume this will be a "LOOK AT HOW DUMB YOU ARE" strawman thing.
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Snollygoster posted:Haha that's true. Also a great mental image, maybe he could spike a bunch of bootleg Etsy merchandise onto the ground with a mighty BOOYAH. e: uu's pretty much on par with that "I will make you reread the entire troll romance explanation, I'm crazy as a dog that eats its own poo poo don't think I won't do it" interlude in hivebent. paranoid randroid fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Mar 1, 2012 |
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Mar 1, 2012 18:01
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The thing is, if uu and UU end up just being the same person, this new troll embodies both all the positives of the fandom and all the negatives also, so not much of a strawman. C'mon, their typing quirks are even the exact opposite of each other!
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Mar 1, 2012 18:07
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Okay, now it's getting too meta. Officially.
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Mar 1, 2012 18:10
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Chexoid posted:Okay, now it's getting too meta. Officially. No but real talk, we know that the trolls are send-ups of internet people, and that Homestuck continues to grow as this bizarre seething thing on the internet that drives its suggestible readers to act real fuckin' weird. It was really only a matter of time until we got the Homestuck Nutjob troll.
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Mar 1, 2012 18:18
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All the people above posted:Stuff The idea that they are the positive and negative aspects of the fandom is fairly apparent, but still an interesting concept. UU posted:UU: we are genetically similar, bUt in many ways qUite different. in fact, oUr blood coloUr is not even the same! This can realistically mean so many things in this comic: From the standpoint of UU/uu being the same physical person, it could just be a matter of their perception. Their actual blood color may just be purple for example, but one might see it as light purple and the other dark purple in the same way one person might say grass is green-yellow while another might say it's forest green. There's an indication of this in their text colors; both grey, the shade of grey being the only difference. From the same standpoint it very well could be a troll with multiple blood colors, seeing as Hussie is doing the fan thing. Namely, another 'mutant' like Karkat. It's not like weird poo poo happens all the time in this comic or anything.  I stand by my 'Grand Highblood' theory, despite the fact that there hasn't been evidence yet that UU/uu are actually A1 trolls rather than new ones all together. TOAST7312 fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Mar 1, 2012 |
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Mar 1, 2012 18:24
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H.P. Shivcraft posted:interpellate Hahaha. What? I looked this word up and found a wikipedia entry which was almost certainly written by Alan Sokal. Fagtastic fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Mar 1, 2012 |
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Mar 1, 2012 18:27
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Chexoid posted:Okay, now it's getting too meta. Officially. when uu and UU start posting on the MSPA forums, dictating the future storylines of the comic via the user generated content angle - this is when it will be too meta
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Mar 1, 2012 18:42
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I coulda sworn we reached peak meta back when Hussie started putting himself into the comic, and everything after that is just different flavours of meta.
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Snollygoster posted:How? Hussies's more eloquent and way funnier than other cartoonists who do this, that's why he can hold up this new character who is going "DUUUH DUUUH I AM YOU, THE IMPATIENT READER. DUUH FART" and we're all praising it as a narrative masterstroke. He's doing an excellent job, but IMO it's still a strawman. I can understand why you'd say this but UU has only been around for all of two pages. Maybe I'm just fanboying but if Hussie can make Equius fairly likeable then I'd wait and see what he does here. It'd be odd for Hussie to have such a flat character at this point.
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Mar 1, 2012 19:01
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I like this new character. Someone finally voicing the problems with Act 5.2.
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Mar 1, 2012 19:40
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Now I know why I couldn't remember the first Special Pony easter egg. It's been two loving years since it came out. Eh, the new one is better. More hornse.
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loquacius posted:Something that's important to keep in mind is that Hussie keeps making caricatures of real people into characters and none of them are actually negative (except perhaps Eridan). We all loved Equius, Nepeta, and Gamzee despite mostly hating creeps, shippers, and juggalos; in that context I think it's a bit premature to assume this will be a "LOOK AT HOW DUMB YOU ARE" strawman thing. I don't think Eridan's even negative, so much as he is tragic. Essentially every troll that ended up trying to confirm and uphold the ideals of their society either ended up being essentially rudderless and lashing out wildly without a whole lot of understanding of much of anything (Eridan, who flailed between vicious, pathetic, and awash with self-loathing), or impotent and cuffed by their own obedience (Equius, who clearly knew better but seemed to have decided he didn't care). Even Equius, at his most awkward, was probably better adjusted than Eridan-- I don't think the guy had any sense of identity to speak of.
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Not related to this latest troll, but I'm beginning to become alarmed by how many of these new trolls appear to be dead. I feel like something has gone horribly wrong 
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Cabbit posted:Essentially every troll that ended up trying to confirm and uphold the ideals of their society either ended up being essentially rudderless and lashing out wildly without a whole lot of understanding of much of anything It makes sense, in hindsight. Doc Scratch, at the bidding if his Master, engineered the A2 Troll race to do one thing at one point in time, and nothing more, like playing a galactic version of the game Mousetrap. It's not surprising that after the crank had been turned and the man had been flipped into the Rubadub Tub that the complacent Trolls didn't do so well...
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Bobulus posted:It makes sense, in hindsight. Doc Scratch, at the bidding if his Master, engineered the A2 Troll race to do one thing at one point in time, and nothing more, like playing a galactic version of the game Mousetrap. It's not surprising that after the crank had been turned and the man had been flipped into the Rubadub Tub that the complacent Trolls didn't do so well... I really hate being that guy, but I feel the need to mention that it's the ball that gets knocked into the Rub-a-dub Tub, which then flips the man into the pan. Or maybe that's just how Troll Mousetrap works.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Not related to this latest troll, but I'm beginning to become alarmed by how many of these new trolls appear to be dead. We have too many living characters that don't really do anything, so it's best to just start them out dead.
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FT posted:I really hate being that guy, but I feel the need to mention that it's the ball that gets knocked into the Rub-a-dub Tub, which then flips the man into the pan. You have to turn the crank to get the whole thing started, and it ends with the man in the tub knocking down the cage.
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Seoinin posted:See now this is interesting because its yet another thing that makes me wonder how Homestuck will hold up to the much touted Archival Reading. Maybe the comic's always been like this and I've just been less aware but it seems like increasingly things from the meta-whatever creep into the narrative. In some cases its little in-jokes like the Righteous Leggings growing out of the pantskat meme. But then you have schtick like UU/uu where the significance is lost if you're not up on the fandom being what it is. I've been going through the archive from the beginning in the last few days, as it so happens, because I'm apparently made of spare time. I've just made it to the start of the Mindfang Journals and I think I need to recuperate before I start putting up with this particular brand of poo poo. A lot of things hold up much better on a second reading. For instance, knowing how it ends means that I finally get the joke w.r.t. Karkat and explains John's attitude toward the guy, because he also knows how it ends. (Also, I find myself with a more positive impression of all the trolls, even my least favorite, whom I have upgraded from "loathsome spotlight hog" to "long-winded chump." Keep climbing that echeladder, you wild dreamer.) The pacing issues of Act 4 vanish on an archive reading, but so far 5.2 hasn't held up so well. You do lose the significance of fandom teases, especially the ones based on Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff references (if someone were reading Homestuck for the first time I'd almost recommend they read Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff first), but they're relegated to the level of the smaller jokes and references. You can safely skip them if you don't understand because it's not important to understand them, but there's more to it than that: in a serial reading, the digs at the fandom are a part of the enjoyment that you get from a batch of pages and you've got to make it last until the next update, whereas in an archive reading, you can easily just move on to the next to get your next fix. I think I have also realized, at least in part, just what Homestuck is: a Sburb speedrun. To be more specific, it might be called a tool-assisted speedrun, in a different sense of the word "tool" than is usually meant in that context.
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Bongo Bill posted:I think I have also realized, at least in part, just what Homestuck is: a Sburb speedrun. To be more specific, it might be called a tool-assisted speedrun, in a different sense of the word "tool" than is usually meant in that context. That is some top quality punning.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Not related to this latest troll, but I'm beginning to become alarmed by how many of these new trolls appear to be dead. They hosed up is what. Also since when is two dead people alarmingly many? Although I guess it is pretty alarming if you parse all numerical data as proportions. 100% OF NEW TROLLS DEAD 
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Bongo Bill posted:I think I have also realized, at least in part, just what Homestuck is: a Sburb speedrun. To be more specific, it might be called a tool-assisted speedrun, in a different sense of the word "tool" than is usually meant in that context. Well, X of Time powers would lend themselves fantastically to a speedrun. I guess what I'm saying here is that Dave is a tool.
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The number of people sympathizing with uu here is disheartening. So the one half of annoying fandom (represented by UU) is terrible and reviled, but the other half (uu) is perfectly fine. They're both stupid and annoying and this thread had, for the most part, been free of them. This was the only MSPA place I liked going to, but now it's just as dumb as everywhere else. Good job.
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There's less need to express dislike for a disdainful complainer who regularly demands weird pornography. In some cases it's reasonable to take it as a given.
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Mar 2, 2012 05:29
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Bongo Bill posted:There's less need to express dislike for a disdainful complainer who regularly demands weird pornography. In some cases it's reasonable to take it as a given. And also uu has existed as a character for what, a day? Whereas UU's been around practically since Act 6 started.
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Are people actually saying they like the character as a person? I assumed they were just saying that it seemed like a reasonable characterization of certain parts of the fandom.
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Starmaker posted:The number of people sympathizing with uu here is disheartening. So the one half of annoying fandom (represented by UU) is terrible and reviled, but the other half (uu) is perfectly fine. They're both stupid and annoying and this thread had, for the most part, been free of them. This was the only MSPA place I liked going to, but now it's just as dumb as everywhere else. Good job. I think it's because a lot of people are getting kinda frustrated by how slow things are moving lately, and are voice gratitude that a character is expressing exactly how they feel. I think that takes a backseat towards realizing that uu is not supposed to be someone you should admire.
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